--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C4N00005 Date: 04/17/95 From: JIM ALIX Time: 12:57am \/To: BARRY PICKERING (Read 9 times) Subj: Re: married to the shore -=> Quoting Barry Pickering to Ralph Foard <=- BP> Interesting observations. I'm a bit put off by the power down idea, BP> particularly on a 26' boat. How far below the surface is that prop? BP> Most people are not at their best after being sashimied. What about BP> the man overboard marker. We had the painter to the 8' white dinghy BP> part in about 4' seas, clear day. We lost sight of it several times BP> while coming about. I remember thinking that if we were looking for a BP> head (perhaps with a body attached) it would have been futile. ---stuff cut out for brevity--- BP> My feeling is that if the person is conscious and a fairly good BP> swimmer, within one second head the boat into the wind, slack all BP> sheets and let them come to the boat. If thing have progressed too BP> far or are too rough, do the standard figure-eight rescue manouver BP> after assigning a watcher who does not take their eyes off of the BP> clumsy one for any reason. BP> I can thing of better ways of going to the great dry-dock in the sky BP> than treading water for a day or two hoping to be found. The cocktail BP> service is usually lousy on the high seas. What about a "man over-board pole" (oops: "person" over-board!)? The ones I've seen in the books are usually about ten feet tall, with a weight at the bottom, a float about two feet up and a flag on top. It should be mounted near the steering position, with "tear-away" straps, so that the helm can grab it at the first shout and toss it overboard. Being six or eight feet out of the water (instead of one head high), it should be much more visible. Some even put a salt water activated strobe on the pole, for night use. --- Blue Wave/Pro v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Community Access Courtenay, BC +1 604 338-4597 (1:3412/1112) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C4N00006 Date: 04/17/95 From: JODY HAMPTON Time: 12:00am \/To: MICHAEL ZIMMERMANN (Read 9 times) Subj: chine hull? Hi Michael, I believe a chine hull is a hull that has distinct angles to it as opposed to a smooth or round hull. A hard chine hull has sharp edges to it and a soft chine hull is faired or made smoother( gentle curve as opposed to a sharp edge). Hope this helps ...........Jody ... QWKRR128 V4.30 [U] Read 'n' Reply offline with a C=128 --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Lunatic Fringe Santa Rosa,Ca 28.8 V.FC (707)526-5810 (1:125/571) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C4P00000 Date: 04/12/95 From: TONY PATON Time: 06:37pm \/To: STEVE GRIFFITHS (Read 9 times) Subj: Re: UK Top-50 Singles Steve wrote to All about UK Top-50 Singles SG> Hi, SG> Someone asked for the UK music charts, so here are the singles charts SG> for the past week: SG> (If enough people from Australia are interested, I'll post this chart SG> weekly, plus the UK Indie/Alternative Top-30, and the Alternative SG> LP Top-30). Yep for sure!!! 2 months later the tops songs are top here. ... Save a mouse, eat a puusy. --- Fmailv1.0 +/RA2. +/IM2.+ * Origin: Galen BBS "A Happy Heart is like Good Medicine" (3:711/920) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C4P00001 Date: 04/18/95 From: JOHN BIERRIE Time: 07:11am \/To: RALPH FOARD (Read 9 times) Subj: married to the shore Ralph Foard wrote in a message to Barry Pickering: RF> Doing the "MAN OVERBOARD" from a 26' sailboat was an RF> eyeopener. Even with the most experienced sailors at the RF> helm, the best and fastest method was to douse the sails and RF> go on power back to the cushion. That meant the remaining RF> operator had to know how to handle the sails, how to start RF> the motor and how to steer the boat. We would have lost RF> anyone not wearing a life jacket who couldn't swim well. We RF> incorporated what we had learned into one of the safety RF> courses in the local Power Squadron. I'm afraid it turned RF> out to be another disincentive to wives who went along, but RF> didn't participate in the operation of the boat. Ralph, The last part is probably one of the more important aspects of all of this. The ability for remaining crew member(s) to retrieve an individual who has gone overboard is obviously very important, doing so without killing them in the process is a close second. :-) My wife and I purchased our first boat late last year. I have been sailing most of my life, but she really hasn't at all (a Sunfish when she was a teenager....). We sailed for a month or two last year and in the process lost one hat, which we were unable to retrieve (it sank). That occurance sort of set the stage for a "discussion" on what to do should someone go overboard. It also set the stage for a "fear" of not being able to accomplish what might be needed. Over the winter we discussed it once or twice, going through (briefly) the necessary steps. What I didn't realize, until just the other day, was what effect that occurance and those discussions might have had. Over the weekend, we went out briefly (very calm) and while I was standing on the foredeck, she yelled up to me -- "Now is NOT the time for a man overboard drill".... We had not had the discussion for several months, but apparently the "fear" stuck in there pretty well. The point of all this excessive disertation is simply that how we (the more experienced half) go about man-overboard and other necessary "drills" can have an emmense effect on how our other halves (etc...) feel about sailing, etc. Personally, I am going to go about this very, very slowly. One step at a time. By spending a number of weeks giving my wife the opportunity to sail and generally control the boat, I hope she will develop the confidence necessary to know that she "can" do it. Giving her the experience (without stating the "purpose" of it) of tacking quickly, and bringing the boat to a stop into the wind at a given point, etc., etc., etc... After all that, and after calmly discussing the step by step process of retrieving someone, we'll give it a shot and see what happens. Hopefully by then, when I explain that she needs to come around quickly -- she's already done that... That she needs to bring the boat to a stop near a given point -- she'll already have done that as well (under the guise of docking under sail??), etc., etc., etc.. So that when the time comes, it will be an "easy" transision (sp). The concept of a "man-overboard" for any non-sailer (male or female) can be quite overwhelming and personally, I want my wife to enjoy sailing as much as I do without the fear of something happening, yet with the ability to handle a "bad" situation. That will only come with experience... Until then, I will handle things (myself) from the perspective that I am sailing "single-handed" and not add pressure to the whole thing. John --- --- * Origin: Doc's Place BBS, Peoria, IL -V.34/V.FC- 309-682-6560 (1:232/39) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C4P00002 Date: 04/15/95 From: SEYMOUR SHAPIRO Time: 11:11am \/To: DOUG JODRELL (Read 9 times) Subj: sailing DJ++ Hello.....?!? is anyone out there, any sailers or ++others who might have remote interest in the sport? Hi! DJ, What did you do, stubble in to a Sailing conference and loose your compass? Most everyone in here has some interest in sailing, boating. So you should be able to locate many sailors or even those of us that just do fiber glassing and boat cleaning, and never get away from the shoreline. . ___ X OLX 3.0 31-1373 X Never tie a knot in a tagline. --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: Computer Education Services BBS (1:103/132) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C4Q00000 Date: 04/19/95 From: BILL BARTUSKA Time: 03:22pm \/To: BLAINE MIDDLESWART (Read 8 times) Subj: Spring..What Else? -=> Quoting Blaine Middleswart to Bill Bartuska <=- BM> days ago I made the mistake of untarpping my boat to get ready for the BM> year..since then its rained 4 days and snowed today! Don't think I'll BM> make my usual "wet day" of May 1! Well, that's good news. I uncovered our boat last week and thought that it was_me_that caused the rain and snow here! Just looked up our opening day..April 29th. I usually do a pretty thourough job when I put away the boat. Basically all I have to do to get in the water is buff the deck and make a lift reservation . Since I'm doing "recreational research" instead of being employed I plan to be the 1st boat in this year! And, since I'm the fleet treasurer, I also have to get out those "dues" letters! I looked up Pnobscott Bay in the atlas. Is it fun to cruise to all those Islands? I've only sailed is salt a few times, in Puget Sound. ... .. i Am Bcsuti Of Borg. PrepaRe To Be IncoMprehEnsibly GarBLEd. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- PCBoard (R) v15.21/M 2 * Origin: (1:115/938) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C4Q00001 Date: 04/20/95 From: BARRY PICKERING Time: 07:26am \/To: JIM ALIX (Read 8 times) Subj: Re: married to the shore JA> The ones I've seen in the books are usually about ten feet tall, with JA> a weight at the bottom, a float about two feet up and a flag on top. Exactly right and they're rather expensive. Unless you're the one overboard, then they seem very reasonably priced. Eat Your Heart Out: Last Sat. we went out on the 40' ketch. The seas were about 2' and the wind was gusting to 40+ kts. Carrying a very small jib and the mizzen we were rail-under on that fat and hard chinned old girl. Definitely thumping-heart sailing. Couldn't understand it though, there was no one else out. Wishing you fair winds and calm seas from 21 16N 157 50W Barry --- TSX-BBS (Multi-line 32-bit BBS) * Origin: Hawaii OnLine BBS (1:345/34) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C4Q00002 Date: 04/20/95 From: BILL BARTUSKA Time: 08:08am \/To: CHRIS GORW (Read 8 times) Subj: Www Ac Page -=> Quoting Chris Gorw to Bill Bartuska <=- > BP> By the way, have you tapped into the AC95 info on the net? CG> Hey you mentioned the www ac site. I have used it may time during hte CG> racing to find out whats going on. If you have access to the www its CG> is the best source for info on the racing. I found a neat feature the CG> last time i was there, during the races the post the deltas in real CG> time so you can monitor the action on your computer as it happens Well CG> i got to go see ya That musta been somone else 'cuz I can't. I'm on a 286, no windows, no internet. Bye, gotta go watch it live on ESPN now. Bill Bartuska .. Internet: ->bill.bartuska938@rime.com Wilmette, Illinois .. Rime: ->938 Fido: ->1:115/938 ... Quick! I see a moderator! Change the subject, fast! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- PCBoard (R) v15.21/M 2 * Origin: (1:115/938) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C4Q00003 Date: 04/19/95 From: FRANK GODFREY Time: 21:1am \/To: MIKE ATKINSON (Read 8 times) Subj: BOC Mike, The Newsless Courier reported today that the lead boat Sceta Calberson with Christophe Auguin aboard has predicted arrival in Charleston next Thursday. Understand that several other boats are close behind (Coyote & Hunters Child) so several of the racers may be in by next weekend. I plan to go to Charleston Thur. afternoon in hopes of seeing something. Hope a bunch of people turn out to greet all the boats. All of the skippers are winners in my book. Frank ... Searching Godfrey,Hawkins,McFadden(in),Blakely,Culbertson,Cunningham --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: CAROLINA COUSIN GENEALOGY BBS*V.FC+HST*803.7873782 (1:376/140.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C4Q00004 Date: 04/20/95 From: JOE ALBERT Time: 06:33pm \/To: ANDY HAMILTON (Read 8 times) Subj: Re: Windsurfing anyone You asked about Lake Keswick. Its actually the town of Keswick on Lake Simcoe. Lake Simcoe is about 10 by 20 miles. Lake Wilcox, which is about 10 minutes from my house is a small lake about 1 by 2 miles. It also has a serious weed problem but motor boats are not allowed. The lake is used exclusively by Windsufers and canoeists. It has a public area where the sailers hang out and the rest is owned privately by very wealthy people these days who have bought up and torn down the old racketty cottages that once inhabitted the town. There is also another private lake about the same size 10 minutes from my house called Bond Lake. My city has been trying to buy it from the owners for a park. It is basically used as a private Water Ski lake which I could join for about $1,000 a year. But as I'm already paying for my boat on lake simcoe can't justify the cost, no matter how great the water skiing is. A few of my friends belong to the water ski club but, since it costs $20.00 for a guest to ski with them, I haven't gone. I just bought a Mistral Explosion XR (used) and a new 7.2 rig. I hope I can do the board some justice. ... Windsurfing beats BBS Surfing, except in the Winter ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: IT (+1 416 658 9000) (1:250/102)