--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 252 OS2 DOS Ref: EAH00000 Date: 06/12/97 From: JIM GITZEN Time: 07:49am \/To: TONY LANGDON (Read 2 times) Subj: Win 3.1 under Warp 4? JG>> It seems that periodically I'm forced to do Warp reinstalls for JG>> one reason or another, and I'm tired of always losing my Win-OS2 JG>> setup each time. I'd like to run Win 3.1, and have it always there JG>> so I can occasionally use it for DOS, and so it will survive Warp JG>> 4 reinstalls. JG>> Can this be done? If so, how? TL> ... It is possible to run your existing TL> Windows under OS/2. You have to copy a few OS/2 specific TL> executables to the Win 3.1 system (3 or 4 .EXE files from memory), TL> and add them alongside the Windows ones (don't overwrite those with TL> the same name, they'll be needed for running Windows from DOS!). TL> I worked it out by trial and error. I first copied WIN.COM from TL> Win-OS/2 to Windows as WINOS2.COM, executed that in a DOS box, TL> noted the error message and copied the next file, and kept TL> repeating that until Windows ran under OS/2. :-) TL> However, there is an easier way. You can download the necessary TL> files off the Internet. Interestingly enough, the way to find out TL> what to do is to look up DOSEMU, a DOS emulator for Linux. The TL> DOSEMU FAQ has info on where to find the necessary files and how to TL> install them. :-) Thanks for the info/suggestion. --- GoldED/2 2.42.G1219+ * Origin: Graffiti on the BBS Wall/2 (1:233/17) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 252 OS2 DOS Ref: EAI00000 Date: 06/11/97 From: GEORGE WHITE Time: 08:57am \/To: RICHARD HALSALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Win 3.1 under Warp 4? Hi Richard, You wrote to me: RH> GW> JG> Is it possible to configure Warp 4 to essentially be a RH> GW> JG> "for Windows" version so I can use MS Win 3.1? RH> GW> As far as I'm aware, No :-(. The only version I know of that RH> GW> will use a standard version of Windows is the special version RH> GW> distributed to DEVCON subscribers, which does not include a built RH> GW> in version of Windows. Apparently the retail version of Warp 4 has RH> GW> changes which mean that it will only work with the supplied version RH> GW> of Windows, not a standard version. RH> Have I missed something here? as I have had to install version 4 on a RH> number of occasions, though most of them have been down to me doing RH> something wrong, and the last time I decided that I had had enough of RH> the drive letters changing for BAT files, so I have now installed RH> version 4 onto a FAT partition, but on all off these installations, I RH> have had absolutely no trouble in getting my version 3.1 of Windows RH> working with OS/2. Up to now, I have not had to re-install windows at RH> all, all I do is a normal search for programmes, and everything was RH> the way that it was before the re-installation of OS/2. Not really. Warp 4 installs it's own version of Windows 3.1 automatically, look in \OS2\MDOS\WINOS2(\SYSTEM). It does not make any use of any pre-existing Windows code although it will (unless told not to) migrate the existing Windows desktop. A little history: Previous releases of OS/2 since the break up between Microsoft and IBM had two basic versions: one with Windows built in and one that used your existing copy of Windows and hot-patched it for use with OS/2. The built in versions performed slightly better than the patched versions since they had some bugs fixed and were compiled with a better compiler (Watcom) than the genuine Microsoft versions (IBM have source rights to Windows up to 3.1, in the same way Microsoft have source rights to OS/2 up to 2.0 or 2.1). For reasoms that have never been made public IBM chose not to release a retail without Windows version of OS/2 Warp V4, although as I noted above, they did supply a copy to developers who subscribe to their support programme with DEVCON 11 (and in another break with previous practise, not in the subsequent DEVCON 12). Warp V4 is the first copy of OS/2 (I've got versions going back to 2.0) that I've got that includes Windows. George * SLMR 2.1a * Desk: A very large wastebasket with drawers. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DoNoR/2,Woking UK (44-1483-725167) (2:440/4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 252 OS2 DOS Ref: EAI00001 Date: 06/13/97 From: JERRY LAPHAM Time: 12:56am \/To: JIM GITZEN (Read 2 times) Subj: Win 3.1 under Warp 4? Jim Gitzen said to Jerry Lapham in the Os2dos conference on 06-09-1997: JG> I have both 2.1 & W3 for Win. Would it be possible to run JG> a version of Win 3.1 so "hot patched" under Warp 4? No. "Hot patching" is done in memory. The Win 3.1 *files* are not changed at all. The only way to "hot patch" them is to load them with OS/2 2.1 for Windows or Warp 3 red, which know how to do it; Warp 4 doesn't. -Jerry ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Avoid repetitive strain injury. Don't do it so often. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 252 OS2 DOS Ref: EAJ00000 Date: 06/12/97 From: STEPHANE BESSETTE Time: 07:13am \/To: SEKHAR S (Read 3 times) Subj: Setting up dual boot -=> Quoting Tony Langdon to Sekhar S <=- SS> I am new to os2 and need nhelp in setting up the dual boot. I have two SS> hard disks disk 1 drice c: os2 fat primary SS> disk 1 drive e: os2 hpfs SS> disk 2 drive d: dos and windows. SS> now i want to know how to setup my c drive so that i can dual boot. SS> apparently it si not prepared. when i try to do a dual boot from the SS> icon it says the disk does not contain dos records or some such thing. SS> When i try to boot from a: it does not recognise it and says invalid SS> command . sregardss TL> If you really want a good dual boot setup, consider Boot Manager. I I too am using Boot Manager. You need to set aside a 1 meg partition in order to install it. Also, if your FAT partitions are large (i.e. greater than 512 megs), you should consider formatting them in HPFS. This will let you use more of your hard disks. The reason behind that assertion is that, under FAT, the larger the partition, the larger the cluster size. And the larger the cluster size, the more space is wasted. In PC World or PC Magazine, there once was an article where they did some tests and observed that a partition (> 1.2 gig) with clusters of 32K, 25% of your hard disk was wasted. That comes to 400 megs wasted just because you formatted in FAT. On the other side of the fence, HPFS always, i.e. no matter the size of your partition, has clusters of 512 bytes (that's 1/2 of 1K). So there's very little space wasted. And it's faster at locating files. Stephane [TEAM OS/2] --- Blue Wave/OS2 v2.20 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 252 OS2 DOS Ref: EAJ00001 Date: 06/12/97 From: SEKHAR S Time: 04:03pm \/To: TONY LANGDON (Read 3 times) Subj: Setting up dual boot TL>It's 04 Jun 97 16:29:44, >We'll return to Sekhar S and all's >discussion of Setting up dual boot TL>If you really want a good dual boot setup, consider Boot Manager. I >installed it when I installed Warp. I've never regretted that decision. >:-) Boot Manager does require a meg set aside for it in a separate >partition, but that shouldn't be a problem, except you would need to >backup and repartition one partition on your disk to make room for it. >I haven't tried "dual boot" myself. My tendancy to use multiple OSs >makes Boot Manager far more suitable (as well as wanting to have OS/2 >all on HPFS). Thanks Tony for your response. Unfortunately mine is a single system and I do not have many options for backup of the present system setup. So I have to look for some other way of doing it. Tell me how to transfer DOS boot record to my C: (the first partition in the first hard disk). When I try to boot from a DOS floppy from A: the machine does not recognize it at all. (Choosing Dosfrom A: in the Command Prompts options) I get A:> prompt and the following message: Starting MS-Dos..... A:> Bad or Misssing Command Interpreter Enter Correct name of Command Interpreter (eg, C:\COMMAND.COM) When I hit the DUAL BOOT option I get the following error: SYS1740: Warning! DOS system files were not found, so DOS cannot be started. If you continue, the OS/2 system files will be saved, and then you may install DOS on drive C:. Once you install DOS, you may return to ___---> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ OS/2 by using the command: BOOT /OS2. How to install DOS on Drive C: is what I want to know. Thanks in advance. TL>Boot Manager takes up the last meg or two to make it all work. :-) Once I install DOS, I think I can use System Commander to multi boot. What do you say :-)) Regards S.Sekhar --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 252 OS2 DOS Ref: EAJ00002 Date: 06/10/97 From: KRIS STEENHAUT Time: 12:26pm \/To: SEKHAR S (Read 3 times) Subj: Setting up dual boot > Greetings to Sekhar! > I am new to os2 and need nhelp in setting up the dual boot. I have > two hard disks > disk 1 drice c: os2 fat primary > disk 1 drive e: os2 hpfs > disk 2 drive d: dos and windows. > now i want to know how to setup my c drive so that i can dual boot. > apparently it si not prepared. when i try to do a dual boot from the > icon it says the disk does not contain dos records or some such > thing. When i try to boot from a: it does not recognise it and says > invalid command . That is because your Dos-Fat partition is not on your drive C: To use dual boot, both OS2 and Dos must reside on C: in a FAT formatted partition. You'll find more about this in the readme that comes with Warp 4 or Warp 3's written manual. Read you soon! Groeten uit Belgi Kris --- * Origin: Hersendood Punt #11... (Bel 32-3-4542902) (2:292/8125.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 252 OS2 DOS Ref: EAJ00003 Date: 06/14/97 From: FRANK SEXTON Time: 05:24pm \/To: SEKHAR S (Read 3 times) Subj: Setting up dual boot -=> /* Quoting Sekhar S to Tony Langdon */ <=- SS> When I hit the DUAL BOOT option I get the following error: SS> SYS1740: Warning! DOS system files were not found, so DOS cannot be SS> started. If you continue, the OS/2 system files will be saved, and SS> then you may install DOS on drive C:. Once you install DOS, you may SS> return to ___---> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SS> OS/2 by using the command: BOOT /OS2. SS> How to install DOS on Drive C: is what I want to know. Choose "Continue". Then boot DOS from a floppy and type "Setup" and install DOS normally. If your original DOS disks won't boot, you're in trouble. You'll need to purchase another copy of MS (or PC) DOS. -Frank (fsexton@xpert.net - http://www.concentric.net/~fsexton) --- Blue Wave/OS2 v2.30 * Origin: Wildcard BBS,Thornton,CO HST/V34+ +1-303-252-0491 (1:104/725) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 252 OS2 DOS Ref: EAK00000 Date: 06/15/97 From: JOHN PFEIFER Time: 06:37am \/To: KRIS STEENHAUT (Read 3 times) Subj: Setting up dual boot << On Tuesday June 10 1997 at 12:26 hours, Kris Steenhaut on node>> << 2:292/8125.11@fidonet, wrote these words of wisdom to Sekhar S: >> >> disk 1 drice c: os2 fat primary ^^^ KS> That is because your Dos-Fat partition is not on your drive C: KS> To use dual boot, both OS2 and Dos must reside on C: in a FAT KS> formatted partition. You'll find more about this in the readme that KS> comes with Warp 4 or Warp 3's written manual. But he said it was.. -=>Jp<=- ... OS/2 ... 32-bit beauty that's more than just skin-deep. --- GoldED 2.50+/#1015 * Origin: The AIDS Chat Line (1:208/102) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 252 OS2 DOS Ref: EAL00000 Date: 06/15/97 From: STEVE MCCRYSTAL Time: 06:26am \/To: STEPHANE BESSETTE (Read 3 times) Subj: Setting up dual boot ; In a msg of , Stephane Bessette writes to Sekhar S: ; Stephane, SB> I too am using Boot Manager. You need to set aside a 1 SB> meg partition in order to install it. One small nit to pick here - what you really set aside is one *cylinder* on the drive. That may or may not equate to one meg. On the last two drives I installed it on (different sizes, both SCSI), the BM partition was 7 megs! As I said, it's a small point, but one that must be considered when you calculate the size(s) of any other partitions on the drive. -[Steve]- --- GoldED/2 3.00.Alpha5+/#1057US3 * Origin: -[Steve's Place]- New Berlin, WI (FidoNet 1:154/731.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 252 OS2 DOS Ref: EAL00001 Date: 06/14/97 From: JARI LAAKSONEN Time: 10:08pm \/To: GEORGE WHITE (Read 3 times) Subj: Win 3.1 under Warp 4? GW> Previous releases of OS/2 since the break up between Microsoft and IBM GW> had two basic versions: one with Windows built in and one that used GW> your existing copy of Windows and hot-patched it for use with OS/2. GW> The built in versions performed slightly better than the patched GW> versions since they had some bugs fixed and were compiled with a GW> better compiler (Watcom) than the genuine Microsoft versions This rumor seems to be very persistent. First of all, Win-OS/2 was NOT compiled with Watcom. Second, OS/2 for Windows did NOT "hot-patch" or "patch in memory" the real Windows code. There were some additional DLL's and a new version of WIN.COM that enabled the non-standard DMPI-memory scheme that Microsoft used to work under OS/2, and also enabled clipboard and DDE to work between Windows and OS/2 programs. // Albert email: jla@to.icl.fi --- GoldED/2 2.50+ * Origin: Albert's Point/2 in Finland, Europe (2:221/360.20)