--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 251 OS2 BBS Ref: E5X00016 Date: 05/27/97 From: ANDY WHITE Time: 06:47pm \/To: JASON ANDREWARTHA (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: AdeptXBBS local logon JA> > 5. then I type adept node /2 or something like that. JA> Also make sure your install adept on a HPFS drive. That should be: adept /nodes 2 --- AdeptXBBS v1.09.50e (FREEWare/2) * Origin: Spicy Hot! - OS/2 Native (1:139/699) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 251 OS2 BBS Ref: E5X00017 Date: 05/26/97 From: JACK STEIN Time: 11:10pm \/To: VINCE COEN (Read 0 times) Subj: Message Base storage.. Vince Coen wrote in a message to Jack Stein: VC> Sunday May 18 1997, Jack Stein writes to Mario Dulisse: JS> If you think the average sysop carries over 50 echo's, you will be JS> wrong, at least in Fido. Sysops, at least grizzled old one's, like JS> plenty of choices, and the ability to mold their BBS to their style, JS> rather than change their style to what the software dictates. VC> Hmm, I carry around 400-450 echo and I consider my system VC> below average for my net. And you hub for how many nodes? How many lines do you have? What is the average number of echo's carried by nodes you hub for? If you are a hub for others, they probably don't average more echo's than you carry for all of them? Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR16.8 Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 251 OS2 BBS Ref: E5X00018 Date: 05/27/97 From: MARV HUBBARD Time: 01:52pm \/To: VINCENT DANEN (Read 0 times) Subj: Proprietary != great Hello Vincent! VD> code 100% to support another format or standard, then the programmer And just where do you think these STANDARDS you speak of came from in the first place. I assure you they did not just one day appear out of nothingness.. They came about via someone taking on the old standards of the day, and trying to improve them, thereby becoming proprietary at that time. If they were better than theold standards, then they stayed around and became the new standards. By your way of thinking, we would be forever stuck with todays technology. Marv Hubbard ... TAGLINE A $300.00 Picture tube will protect a 10 cent fuse by blowing first. --- GoldED/2 3.00.Alpha1 UNREG * Origin: The Enterprise 2 Gig 28.8K OS/2 Warp (1:303/4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 251 OS2 BBS Ref: E5X00019 Date: 05/27/97 From: MARV HUBBARD Time: 01:58pm \/To: GORDY DUER (Read 0 times) Subj: Adept keeps comin' (Part 2) Hello Gordy! Sunday May 25 1997 09:26, Gordy Duer wrote to Marv Hubbard: >> Am I spoiled by SPEED with Adept?, You betcha... GD> I think your right that Adept is faster than Squish. But do not think GD> thats true when you talk about the file bases. I think Maximus is GD> faster than Adept in new file or regular seaches. Nope, Max is faster in dealing with the files. Hopefully that will also come up to speed along with the Message handling. As long as it is actively being devoloped, it will just keep getting better, and as long as they don't give in to the preasure to take giant steps backward just to try to make it compatible with old technology, IE: *.msg, etc. etc.. Marv Hubbard ... TAGLINE A Smith and Wesson beats four aces. --- GoldED/2 3.00.Alpha1 UNREG * Origin: The Enterprise 2 Gig 28.8K OS/2 Warp (1:303/4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 251 OS2 BBS Ref: E5X00020 Date: 05/26/97 From: DAVE THOMAS Time: 07:29pm \/To: GARY KOPYCINSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: os2 JW> call it @ 222-6933 starting may 1st. RS> RS> I am running Renegade 5-11-96 under OS/2 3.0. What RS> kind of help do you nee GK> GK> DT> Well it is OS/2 Warp 3.. and umm well I can't seem to get it runni GK> DT> it says I need SHARE something or other and I have seen GK> DT> some comfigurations GK> DT> to use and I cant seem to do it.. I barely know how to use os2.... GK> GK> Can you be more specific about your problems? I might have something to of well Share is a file that is needed to run multi node, but multi-tasking os's have some other file.. and the config.sys configurations that have gotten from various people , do not agree with my system. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: -= The Dragon's Lair =- (204)269-2164...Wpg.MB (1:348/943) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 251 OS2 BBS Ref: E5X00021 Date: 05/27/97 From: ANDY ROBERTS Time: 09:38pm \/To: BRIAN MURRAY (Read 0 times) Subj: AdeptXBBS, addresses Brian Murray, 26-May-97 14:00:00, Brian Murray wrote to Bill Kirby Subject: AdeptXBBS, addresses >> 'config->active line->mailer addresses' menu. >> My point was that I entered it there and it shows there. It >> isn't missing. BM> Anyway, I started with '1:209/303.0@fidonet.org' and whittled BM> it down from there. No ".org" BM> If that's 'wrong' then AdeptXBBS and I disagree on what is 5D BM> addressing and that's the problem I'm having. If that's the BM> correct form of address, I'm stumped. I'll try again from BM> scratch with 1.09.57 and call it quits if that doesn't work. .\adept\System\Addresses --- 1:109/921.0@Fidonet 55:730/101.0@adeptnet --- Works for me. I think I edited that file directly rather than used the menu. Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts NetMail 1:109/921.1 AdeptNet 55:730/101 andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 4.10g02/Pro*at * Origin: USA TEAM TERMINATE TSR TERMINATE SUPPORT REGISTRATIONS (1:109/921.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 251 OS2 BBS Ref: E5X00022 Date: 05/27/97 From: BILL BROWN Time: 09:22pm \/To: JOHN CLARKE (Read 0 times) Subj: Adept talks Hello John, Sunday May 25 1997 15:07, John Clarke wrote to Bill Brown: BB>> An alternative would be to set up some sort of twit filter in BB>> your editor, and filter out messages from those users who post BB>> about it. BB>> Does that editor offer that option? Since it's OS/2-based, I BB>> suppose it's topical to discuss it here. JC> I haven't checked to find out. I prefer not to use one actually so JC> that I don't miss the one pearl but all this Adept messages are JC> wearing a bit thin. Agreed, but if you even feel the need, I recommend looking into SqTool, which is OS/2-native and performs a wide range of functions. Bill Brown ... Any ship can be a minesweeper... once. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 274LM2 * Origin: Bill's Overdue, Rochester, NY, USA (1:2613/246) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 251 OS2 BBS Ref: E5X00023 Date: 05/27/97 From: BILL BROWN Time: 09:24pm \/To: JOHN CLARKE (Read 0 times) Subj: PLEASE Hello John, Sunday May 25 1997 15:21, John Clarke wrote to Andy Roberts: JC> Andy, wouldn't it be simpler to move the bulk of the Adept messages JC> off to an Adept BBS support echo and leave this echo as it was? You JC> would get what you want and the rest of us wouldn't be annoyed by JC> them. Or, as I mentioned, the rest of us "could" use an OS/2-based program such as SqTool to remove those messages from the message base. JC> Satisfies everyone, unless the real aim is to annoy the rest of us A review of the recent messages is rather indicative of what the "real aim" of various participants appears to be ... Are you familiar with other OS/2-native programs to address this variety of problem, besides SqTool? Bill Brown ... Help! I'm trapped at 0D1C:01DA. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 274LM2 * Origin: Bill's Overdue, Rochester, NY, USA (1:2613/246) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 251 OS2 BBS Ref: E5X00024 Date: 05/27/97 From: BILL BROWN Time: 09:28pm \/To: ANDY ROBERTS (Read 0 times) Subj: Proprietary != great Hello Andy, Monday May 26 1997 09:37, Andy Roberts wrote to Bill Brown: VD>>> The adept msg base is *new* technology? AR> Well at least it takes advantage of OS/2 long file names to make it AR> much easier than those limited to the old DOS 8.3. Just like my system does using Squish message bases using Maximus. Hmmm. "New" technology? Long file name support doesn't seem "new" to me, unless of course you are comparing it to DOS-based apps. BB>> It always makes me wonder why the author's coding skills BB>> aren't up to conforming with whatever the industry standards BB>> are, for the issue in question. AR> "Proprietary" does not have anything at all to do with that. In fact AR> it is exactly the opposite of that. In the case of Adept the AR> author's coding skills were above the limits of DOS standards. Who was talking about DOS, in _this_ echo? This is an echo devoted to OS/2-native products, Andy. Personally, I use Squish/2 for most of my message base needs. AR> Obviously you are not a programmer. And apparently you have not AR> had to provide much T/S either. I suppose over a quarter century in the field isn't adequate experience in your eyes? Don't be so quick to pass judgement on peoples backgrounds, Andy, if you want your messages to retain credibility with those people. (Yes, I cut my programming teeth in the days of the big iron.) I find it ironic that you later said: AR> rationalize your fear about what you know nothing about. AR> The Terminate comm prgm is like that. Is that OS/2-based? (If so, tell us a bit about it.) AR> I think you should look up the word "integrated" in the dictionary. I referred to the term as used in the context of the software industry, not in the context of most dictionaries. My apologies if that context wasn't apparent from my message. AR> Perhaps you should buy your next new car from the local auto parts AR> store and put the pieces together. More topically, that's exactly how I plan to build my next computer, but unlike the auto parts realm, this is a more cost-effective measure, as well as enabling me to get exactly what I _want_ in my machine, rather than what some VAR decided was a cost-effective option for _him_ to bundle together, regardless of my desires. But hardware isn't the issue here, Andy, BBS software _is_ ... and that's exactly why I choose to build my BBS system from component software "pieces" that I can tailor to my exact desires. AR> And if you had read other msgs in this echo then you would have seen AR> that many of Adept's config files are flat-ASCII. Since I'm not the moderator, I'm not required to read each and every Adept message in this echo. When I see that a message is irrelevant to my interests, I have the luxury of ignoring it, unlike in the echos I moderate. (Trust me, as most moderators will tell you, doing so can be VERY "luxurious.") BB>> Unfortunately, in a one-size-fits-all program, it's rather BB>> hard for the developing sysop AR> Now you have hit the exact wording "developing sysop" which clearly AR> indicates you are not talking about the serious professional sysop In the example, I'm referring to someone who is developing, in other words, growing, improving, etc. Clearly not someone looking for plug-n-play-n-ignore, yes. Ideally, at least from my perspective, anyone interested in their hobby _should_ have the motivation to grow in that pursuit. Remember, this is a Fidonet echo and Fidonet is a _hobbyist_ network, therefore I'm talking of _hobbyist_ sysops here. (Not that hobbyists have no sense of professionalism of course. It's that professionalism that causes most to want to prove!) AR> That is definitely not what a commercial user wants to do. Having been a "commercial user" of many different apps over the years, most often my experience has been that we are called upon to IMPROVE the system, not to accet the status quo. (Also, I've never known many IS people to _not_ be "tinkerers" at heart.) AR> ROTFL again. It takes me about 15 seconds to upgrade Adept. You are obviously talking about "upgrading" _to_ Adept, _from_ Adept. I was not. I would have thought that would have been obvious. Bill Brown ... I'm WARPed by choice. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 274LM2 * Origin: Bill's Overdue, Rochester, NY, USA (1:2613/246) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 251 OS2 BBS Ref: E5X00025 Date: 05/27/97 From: BILL BROWN Time: 09:52pm \/To: VINCENT DANEN (Read 0 times) Subj: Message base storage.. Hello Vincent, Monday May 26 1997 13:22, Vincent Danen wrote to Bill Kirby: VD> JAM and Squish are both standards that work. Which is what counts. VD> And I don't want to have to write my own... Squish (for the _OS/2_ programmer at least) allows the use of MSGAPI.DLL and MSGAPI32.DLL. It's a great convenience. Does JAM have something similar? BK>> It's NOT WORTH RE-WRITTING THE WHOLE PROGRAM, for NO IMPROVEMENT...! VD> What's to rewrite? Just incorporate Squish/JAM support... if that's VD> cause for an entire from-the-ground-up rewrite, then someone's writing VD> sloppy code.... Quite true. VD> And no improvement? How about making people happy... reaching a VD> wider client base? That's not an improvement? I would have thought so as well, but ... different programmers have different philosophies perhaps? VD> Prove to me otherwise... Don't *yell* prove it to me... tell me why VD> the Adept mailer is as good, or better, than T-Mail or McMail, or any VD> other mailer I might want to use, other than the Adept mailer. People frequently yell when they have no other basis for their claims other than volume. I agree that a reasoned explanation of _why_ Adept's mailer is better than the alternatives would be more convincing than the yelling. VD> It *is* a proven statement. If I must switch *everything* to run a VD> single BBS software, then I am going in a backwards direction. Agreed, no matter what software that might be. VD> If I have spent over $300 in software for my current setup, and must VD> discard it all to use Adept, then I am going backwards. Agreed, no matter what software that might be. VD> You're telling me that Marco re-wrote *every* single piece of code to VD> support the Adept message base? Bill, I don't think you're a VD> programmer, and I don't think you know the first thing about VD> programming. I realize you are writing that to a different Bill. But, speaking as a long-time programmer, I can assure you that one does not rewrite an entire program to include additional features (unless the original was such a quick hack that it's easier to start over of course.) VD> Marco did *not* re-write Lora from the ground up to support the Adept VD> message base... he added code to the existing code to do so. Yes, I'm sure he did, as is the common practice. VD> Tell me this... and just answer the questions. Yes or no answers... VD> don't bother justifying or explaining, just one word Yes or No VD> answers... Aww, asking for facts rather than hype, Vincent? What a concept! ;) (You'd think the discussion was about religion the way some have been acting lately, including name-calling, swearing and personal attacks.) Bill Brown ... It works better if you plug it in. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 274LM2 * Origin: Bill's Overdue, Rochester, NY, USA (1:2613/246)