--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4E00007 Date: 04/08/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 04:53pm \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Timing belt lifespan? On, 08 Apr 98 at 09:20, Roy J. Tellason was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to Roy Witt about "Timing belt lifespan?",: RW>> What will the hydrometer tell you? RJT> RJT> I've seen batteries that showed good on all cells with a hydrometer RJT> and you still couldn't pull any power out of them. That points to a RJT> bad connection inside somewhere. I'll check them... RW>> I've got this situation with my truck battery that's been RW>> sitting for a couple of years and I'm hoping to revive it. RJT> RJT> I'd get that thing on a charger and leave it there, for days... Did that. It showed 12.56 volts and kept dropping, ending at 10.5x volts. That with a small solid state digital volt meter. I put it on the charger again and left it for a few days longer. As I connected it, it started to pull 6amps on my 8amp charger, which usually only pulls 2amps on a charge. I kicked the battery and it dropped to 2amps. Internal short? ... My 14th Chevy: 1986 Monte Carlo SS, in Silver. (1994) --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, #1, On or Off the Track! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4E00008 Date: 04/08/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 05:06pm \/To: ROB MCCART (Read 0 times) Subj: Thermostats On, 03 Apr 98 at 02:15, Rob Mccart was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to Roy Witt about "Thermostats",: RM> RM> RM>> I just noticed the other day that my truck seems to be running RM>> very 'cool'. (Keep in mind this is Canadian winter here) RM> RM> RW#You're calling Colorado from Canada? RM> RM> I assume you mean this conference? Comes right to my RM> computer over the internet - although before Internet FTP, TELNET??? What's the URL address? ... 96 NASCAR Manufacturers' Champion: Chevrolet 17wins 17poles --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4E00009 Date: 04/09/98 From: TOM COLLINS Time: 02:20am \/To: JAN DEBOER (Read 0 times) Subj: Engine swap JD> On 16 Mar 98 01:36:00 Tom Collins wrote to Jan Deboer... TC> I put a 1991 2.5 in a 1987 wagon that had a 2.2 in it. JD> Did you have to change the engine control module (computer)? I'm JD> curious if the 2.2 and 2.5 SMEC modules are interchangeable? If so, JD> then I presume the additional fuel for the 2.5 would be handled by a JD> larger injector port, rather than different SMEC parameters? Nope, I used the 1987 FI unit and manifold, and all 1987 sensors. Tom ... But you misunderstand, I am the MASTER. . . ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- InterEcho 1.19 * Origin: The Oasis BBS: (817) 613-9002 (1:130/716) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4E00010 Date: 04/09/98 From: ROY J. TELLASON Time: 10:49am \/To: ROY WITT (Read 0 times) Subj: Timing belt lifespan? Roy Witt wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason: RW> On, 08 Apr 98 at 09:20, RW> Roy J. Tellason was overheard shouting over the engine RW> noise, saying something to Roy Witt about "Timing belt RW> lifespan?",: RW>> What will the hydrometer tell you? RJT> I've seen batteries that showed good on all cells with a hydrometer RJT> and you still couldn't pull any power out of them. That points to a RJT> bad connection inside somewhere. RW> I'll check them... It's like, if you have a battery that shows 12.6 volts (or higher!) with no load, and all the cells look good on a hydrometer, but as soon as you turn on the headlights the voltage drops down to maybe 4-5 volts, there's no point in messing with it any more, but if the cells all show a low reading then there's a problem with either the charging system _or_ something is draining the battery while it sits (I've seen shorted regulators on Ford products do that for example). RW>> I've got this situation with my truck battery that's been RW>> sitting for a couple of years and I'm hoping to revive it. RJT> I'd get that thing on a charger and leave it there, for days... RW> Did that. It showed 12.56 volts and kept dropping, ending at RW> 10.5x volts. With no load? RW> That with a small solid state digital volt meter. I put it on RW> the charger again and left it for a few days longer. As I RW> connected it, it started to pull 6amps on my 8amp charger, RW> which usually only pulls 2amps on a charge. I kicked the RW> battery and it dropped to 2amps. Internal short? Hmm, seems likely. Even one of those 99 cent little hydrometers with the floating balls will tell you what's going on there. Assuming that you've got one that you can get the caps open, of course. (I *hate* sealed batteries! :-) email: roy.j.tellason%tanstaaf@frackit.com --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-432-0764 (1:270/615) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4E00011 Date: 04/09/98 From: BILL REYNA Time: 12:03pm \/To: ROB MCCART (Read 0 times) Subj: Thermostats > as well. Wonder if this is going to become an annual > event??? [----------^^^^ you said the above ^^^^-----------] Of course it is, figure that after x-years or x-miles, something is bound to be worn-out or needs replacing for safety sake. I still have orginal starter, but the solenoid was replaced and my clutch on it's 3rd set, etc. It gets cranky in the cold morning or morning period, but all day long I gets good performance and it's still ready to do more. I'll keep it until rust holes, one can look from side of the truck through the other. -_-_-Bill --- * Origin: Bordertown - Telegram from the Border (1:234/43) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4E00012 Date: 04/09/98 From: MARK LOGSDON Time: 10:52pm \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Timing belt lifespan? RJ> It's like, if you have a battery that shows 12.6 volts (or higher!) RJ> with no load, and all the cells look good on a hydrometer, but as RJ> soon as you turn on the headlights the voltage drops down to maybe 4-5 RJ> volts, there's no point in messing with it any more, but if the cells RJ> all show a low reading then there's a problem with either the charging RJ> system _or_ something is draining the battery while it sits (I've seen RJ> shorted regulators on Ford products do that for example). How do you know that there's not some high resistance in series with the battery somewhere? That would permit a normal open-circuit reading and would probably allow a decent charge but would limit the higher output currents. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0232 * Origin: IBMNet Connection - Indpls, IN - 317-882-5575 28.8 USR (1:231/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4E00013 Date: 04/09/98 From: JOHN PUMMILL Time: 10:01pm \/To: JAN DEBOER (Read 0 times) Subj: Sprint Engine JD> Well it's a joint venture between Suzuki and GM at the JD> Alliston, JD> Ontario plant. You have to wonder how those two could even JD> manage JD> to design and build a bad engine! Rushing it to production before doing extensive testing... z --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Running from the Klan in the Fiero (1:123/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4E00014 Date: 04/09/98 From: JOHN PUMMILL Time: 10:01pm \/To: JAN DEBOER (Read 0 times) Subj: Sprint Engine JD> Odd, seeing that they are entry level cars, at the very JD> bottom JD> of the new car market. You'd expect simple economics would JD> force JD> many owners to be do-it-yourselfers! Not with a new car. --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Running from the Klan in the Fiero (1:123/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4F00000 Date: 04/10/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 12:18pm \/To: MARK LOGSDON (Read 0 times) Subj: Timing belt lifespan? On, 09 Apr 98 at 22:52, Mark Logsdon was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to Roy J. Tellason about "Timing belt lifespan?",: RJ>> the charging system _or_ something is draining the battery while it RJ>> sits (I've seen shorted regulators on Ford products do that for RJ>> example). ML> ML> How do you know that there's not some high resistance in series with ML> the battery somewhere? Because it not in the vehicle? ... "See the USA in a Chevrolet" - --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4F00001 Date: 04/10/98 From: ROY J. TELLASON Time: 10:37am \/To: MARK LOGSDON (Read 0 times) Subj: Timing belt lifespan? Mark Logsdon wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason: RJ> It's like, if you have a battery that shows 12.6 volts (or higher!) RJ> with no load, and all the cells look good on a hydrometer, but as RJ> soon as you turn on the headlights the voltage drops down to maybe 4-5 RJ> volts, there's no point in messing with it any more, but if the cells RJ> all show a low reading then there's a problem with either the charging RJ> system _or_ something is draining the battery while it sits (I've seen RJ> shorted regulators on Ford products do that for example). ML> How do you know that there's not some high resistance in series ML> with the battery somewhere? You mean external to the battery itself? You don't, unless logic points at one. Really bad corrosion can have this effect, for example, and it's also got a tendency to make itself worse due to heating effects. We had an Escort station wagon one time that worked fine most of the time but when it rained and you drove it, the cable going from the solenoid down to the starter wouldn't work right, until it was replaced. ML> That would permit a normal open-circuit reading and would ML> probably allow a decent charge but would limit the higher ML> output currents. Last problem I had of this sort was when I had a battery temporarily stuck in to my car, after the one in there got run down, and it ended up giving me nothing but a click when I went to start it one time. I popped the hood and pulled the terminals to find the inside of the post clamps had a layer of black in there. Lucky for me I had a small sharp blade handy, and peeling that black layer off took care of the problem. email: roy.j.tellason%tanstaaf@frackit.com --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-432-0764 (1:270/615)