--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4200018 Date: 03/28/98 From: LEON GLAZE Time: 11:37am \/To: JAY EMRIE (Read 0 times) Subj: Books -=> Quoting JAY EMRIE to LEON GLAZE <=- LG>Who has the best auto and truck books? I am looking for a LG>manual for a 97 Ford Ranger truck. I would like to have the LG>mailing address or phone number of where to order. JE> You can get cheaper, but you canNOT get anywhere near as good as you JE> can from Ford. They can be expensive, but well worth it. JE> Try 1-800-782-4356 USA 1-800- 387-4966 Canada. These manuals JE> are put out by the Helm Co. Seems like they publish just about all JE> makes shop manuals. Thanks Jay I will give them a call. ... It's not the principle of the thing. It's the damned money. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 * Origin: The HUB * Austin TX * Centex PCUG * 512-346-1852 (1:382/1201) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4200019 Date: 03/27/98 From: GARY HALL Time: 10:53pm \/To: LEON GLAZE (Read 0 times) Subj: Books On (24 Mar 98) Leon Glaze wrote to All... LG> Who has the best auto and truck books? For the home do it yourselfer Hayes is the best. The pros use Mitchell but they cost a bunch. Once you learn how to read proper English the hayes books are the best. --- PPoint 2.02 * Origin: Terlton the Oklahoma Jungle 74081 (1:170/302.16) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4200020 Date: 03/24/98 From: ROB MCCART Time: 03:34pm \/To: JOHN PUMMILL (Read 0 times) Subj: Thermostats I just noticed the other day that my truck seems to be running very 'cool'. (Keep in mind this is Canadian winter here) Part of the problem is that I don't recall ever noticing before where the temps sat in winter. Kind of a case of if it was a problem I probably would have noticed. ...anyways... I'm not concerned about the heater but the temp gauge takes a long time to get into 'normal' and then it barely reaches the bottom of that - and at highway speeds it will actually drop back below the lowest 'normal' line again (still keeping in mind that the air temp is below freezing) The heater seems okay so it's warming up some and I don't want to get into a position where I have to change the thermostat for winter and summer driving so my main concern was if this sounds like it might be a dead thermostat that might cause some damage by running too cool or is it just the colder weather? 87 Ford F150 300cid inline 6 with EFI --- # SLMR Rob # Send me $10,000 or you'll never see your tagline again! # # PDQWK 1.2 #53 --- * Origin: NetComm BBS 303-730-7045 (1:104/603.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4200021 Date: 03/29/98 From: ROY J. TELLASON Time: 09:48am \/To: MARK LOGSDON (Read 0 times) Subj: Engineering??????? Mark Logsdon wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason: RJ> I've been saying for YEARS that the guys that design this stuff oughta RJ> be made to be out in the field working on it for at least a couple of RJ> years before they'd be allowed anywhere near actually designing RJ> anything... ML> I couldn't agree more with you, but I can think of many times ML> where a younger engineer has argued with a manager because the ML> change or design would make for a messy installation, and the ML> manager replied, "Just do it." Why wouldn't you put the ML> manager in the field too? I'm not saying it's never the ML> engineer's fault because often it is, but I'm saying it isn't ML> always that simple to assign blame. Yet as you guys have ML> demonstrated, it's often the hapless engineer who receives all ML> of the blame. :( I can't argue with that. ML> Maybe we should let the mechanics do some engineering. I'm ML> sure lots of mechanics believe they could do a better job, but ML> I think the view from the other side of the fence would open ML> their eyes a bit. Let them determine the electrical and ML> mechanical constraints, do the design, determine prices, meet ML> an agressive time schedule, and do it for a low cost that beats ML> their competitors. Turnabout would be fair play! While I can't disagree with the fact that there are other considerations that come into play with the design of stuff, the major thing that gets me going is sometimes as simple a matter as the placement of a bolt, for example. Or the fact that with some designs things have to happen with only one given sequence of actions and no other way will work. Or stuff that's gotta come off before you can get something else off, in particular things that shouldn't ever for the most part have to be unbolted to replace something that _will_ have to get changed regularly as a normal thing... I don't see any reason for that stuff, for the most part, and it strikes me as being more a matter of someone along the line simply not thinking of these things. RJ> DF> It seems that many industries are today adhering to the "Colin RJ> DF> Chapman" principals of engineering, when they shold be quoting RJ> DF> as "Gospel" the "Donald Douglas" principals of engineering. If RJ> DF> you are unfamilliar with either, you need only reasearch the RJ> DF> design and construction of the Lotus 7 and the DC3. RJ> RJ> How about a capsule summary or something? I've never heard of either RJ> of these... ML> Douglas is the Douglas in McDonald-Douglas Aircraft. Not to ML> take anything away from these two gentlemen, but the difference ML> is that these two fellows worked in a time when the bean ML> counters and MBAs didn't rule the fiefdom. That was when the ML> company took pride in a splendid product and put less emphasis ML> on increasing the stock price. The balance has since been ML> shifted from the customer and worker to the stock holder. Wall ML> Street now takes precedent over Main Street. Yeah. I miss what little of those days I have some personal experience with. And these days we have lots of companies who show an excellent bottom line with the consumer in the meantime being presented with an endless stream of *junk*... :-( email: roy.j.tellason%tanstaaf@frackit.com --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-432-0764 (1:270/615) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4200022 Date: 03/29/98 From: KENNY HENDERSON Time: 11:14am \/To: JOHN PUMMILL (Read 0 times) Subj: TCC Lockup JP>KH> No money right now....But in a year or so, maybe...? :) JP> Kewl, I will hold you to that. :) I just got a 2nd job. I'm now working 65 hours a week and still in school. Yipee :-) JP> Those damned wide tires and stiff as hell suspension. :) Those new Firestone SZ50s kick some serious butt BTW. I would recommend them highly! Put them on the Bimmer, you won't be disappointed! JP> Without a doubt. Glad to hear you are okay and the bird only had a few JP>ruffled feathers. Yeah, everything is fine now. It has been sooo warm here! 80 degrees the past few days, supposed to be 85 tommorow! (Monday) Last Friday 3 friends went to the track. The kid Keith with the '68 GTO (455) went 12.3. I thought that was pretty good! My other friend Brian with a '74 Chevelle w/ 502 went 12.1. He couldn't get traction at all, he thinks he could go mid/high 11s on a good run with traction. My other friend Mike has an '89 Mustang with AOD. This guy has every bolt-on you can think of, heads, B303 cam etc, guess what he ran? 14.0 @ 101mph! I'm sorry but I think thats terrible! Then his tranny died. He is now on his '4th' AOD in about 18 months! Next time people talk about how they manually shift their AOD trannies, and I say not to, now you know why! :-) --- * OLX 2.1 TD * This must be Thursday--I never could get the hang of Thur --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Fresh Start BBS * Edison NJ * (732) 248-1678 * (1:107/310.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4200023 Date: 03/29/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 07:00pm \/To: ROB MCCART (Read 0 times) Subj: Thermostats On, 24 Mar 98 at 15:34, Rob Mccart was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to John Pummill about "Thermostats",: RM> RM> I just noticed the other day that my truck seems to be running RM> very 'cool'. (Keep in mind this is Canadian winter here) You're calling Colorado from Canada? RM> The heater seems okay so it's warming up some and I don't RM> want to get into a position where I have to change the RM> thermostat for winter and summer driving so my main concern RM> was if this sounds like it might be a dead thermostat that RM> might cause some damage by running too cool or is it just RM> the colder weather? RM> RM> 87 Ford F150 300cid inline 6 with EFI You could be one of those lucky soles with a thermostat that has stuck itself open. Probably why your engine takes it's time warming up and not really behaving the way it should while on the highway. Have it checked. ... My 8th Chevy: 1960 El Camino, in Brown. (1971) --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4200024 Date: 04/01/98 From: BILL REYNA Time: 11:35am \/To: ROB MCCART (Read 0 times) Subj: Thermostats > might cause some damage by running too cool or is it > just > the colder weather? > 87 Ford F150 300cid inline 6 with EFI [----------^^^^ you said the above ^^^^-----------] Take it from me and my '86 F150 L6(same problem), that you can do just right provided your coolant level is correct. I have the same problem and I've lived with it for 2 yrs. and basically know it's my therostat, but I'm just too busy to work on it. I do it but know as long it gets me from point A to B, I'm in no hurry. Summer is around the corener, maybe this year. -_-_-Bill --- * Origin: Bordertown - Telegram from the Border (1:234/43) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4200025 Date: 04/01/98 From: JOHN FAERBER Time: 08:56pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Messages For the longest time I was seeing around 30 or so messages per day in this echo, then i did not see any for nearly 2 weeks. The Sysop said he had it fixed, but I am only seeing about 10 a day come through. How many are the rest of you getting from this echo? --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: * MacSavvy OS/2 BBS * Dallas, Texas * 972-250-4479 * (1:124/1208) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4300000 Date: 04/02/98 From: GARY HALL Time: 03:07am \/To: ROB MCCART (Read 0 times) Subj: Thermostats On (24 Mar 98) Rob Mccart wrote to John Pummill... RM> was if this sounds like it might be a dead thermostat that RM> might cause some damage by running too cool or is it just RM> the colder weather? Hi Bob Gary here That 87 EFI Ford was designed to run from 195 to 210 deg F somewhere near 95 to 100 C. If it is running cooler then it will run slightly richer which may cause some injector cloging Fords are bad for that anyway. If you run a 195 F. thermostat year round you will have no problems. A 1987 model yea change it thats 11 years old. Gary --- PPoint 2.02 * Origin: Terlton the Oklahoma Jungle 74081 (1:170/302.16) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F4300001 Date: 03/30/98 From: JAN DEBOER Time: 02:33pm \/To: TOM COLLINS (Read 0 times) Subj: Engine Swap On 16 Mar 98 01:36:00 Tom Collins wrote to Jan Deboer... TC> I put a 1991 2.5 in a 1987 wagon that had a 2.2 in it. TC> Took some pulley swapping, but otherwise it fit TC> perfectly. The smoother running engine and more power TC> were noticable. Did you have to change the engine control module (computer)? I'm curious if the 2.2 and 2.5 SMEC modules are interchangeable? If so, then I presume the additional fuel for the 2.5 would be handled by a larger injector port, rather than different SMEC parameters? --- Everything/2 * Origin: Tiny's BBS - Inet: tinys.oix.com / On,Canada (1:229/600)