--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2R00000 Date: 02/17/98 From: DEVIN DIMITRI Time: 03:26pm \/To: MICHAEL SHARON (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: 225 hp Neon? MS> Are you serious?! The Prowler has a 3.5-liter high-output SOHC 24-val MS> V6 and delivers *253 horsepower* at 6,400 RPM. With 255 pound-feet of MS> torque at 3,950 RPM. That's enough to get anybody's attention. Sounds ok on the horsepower, but look at the torque numbers. 255 is really low for just about ANY car that wants to go fast quickly, then you're also making it at pretty low RPMs. I hadn't looked at any reviews of the Prowler, but yes, that engine is a little less mild that i had expected. -Lates --- Telegard v3.09.g1/mL * Origin: The Rapid Eye - 913-393-4104 - Olathe,KS (1:280/183) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2R00001 Date: 02/17/98 From: DEVIN DIMITRI Time: 03:28pm \/To: KENNY HENDERSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: 225 hp Neon? DD> 100kph is approximately 62 mph, right? Well, for a car that looks DD> as outrageous and aggressive as the Prowler, you would expect times DD> right around 5 seconds. There are plenty of under 7 cars with DD> automatic transmissions, the new Jaguar, the C5, all of the American DD> pony cars, i'm not sure how fast the luxury Benz's are, but i know DD> a Lexus GS400 will do 0-60 in about 6 seconds. For a two seat DD> roadster, seven seconds is a looooooooooooooooooooong DD> time. KH> The GS400 goes 0-60 in about 5.6 I think, quite fast. The 328I would KH> automatic is just as fast as the Prowler as well.... Hmm, thanks. I under estimated a little. You wouldn't happen to know how fast the Prowler is, would you? -Lates --- Telegard v3.09.g1/mL * Origin: The Rapid Eye - 913-393-4104 - Olathe,KS (1:280/183) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2R00002 Date: 02/17/98 From: DEVIN DIMITRI Time: 03:30pm \/To: MARC GERGES (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: 225 hp Neon? DD> Well, for a car that looks as outrageous and aggressive as the DD> Prowler, you would expect times right around 5 seconds. There are DD> plenty of under 7 cars with automatic transmissions, the new Jaguar, DD> the C5, all of the American pony cars, i'm not sure how fast the DD> luxury Benz's are, but i know a Lexus GS400 will do 0-60 in about 6 DD> seconds. For a two seat roadster, seven seconds is a DD> looooooooooooooooooooong time. MG> It's another point of view. Most cars MG> sold here are considerably slowe than 10 seconds, and the really MG> fast cars are under 9. So 7 is really Wait a second, aren't you hailing from Germany or Switzerland? I thought that you would have lots of BMWs and Audis and other cars there. Aren't all of those very quick too? -Lates --- Telegard v3.09.g1/mL * Origin: The Rapid Eye - 913-393-4104 - Olathe,KS (1:280/183) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2R00003 Date: 02/17/98 From: DEVIN DIMITRI Time: 03:35pm \/To: MARC GERGES (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: 225 hp Neon? DD> Ok, let me clarify that, when i say dynometer, i'm thinking of the DD> ones that you put an entire car on, not the ones that you take an DD> engine and hook the driveshaft into. MG> Right, that's what I mean too. MG> You put the car on it, go in the second highest or highest gear to the MG> maximum and let it come back. The dyno measures the power applied and MG> the power eaten when the car slows down and from the difference calcul MG> the engine power. Ok, let me clarify further. Indicated HP, which is what the formula i gave you determines, does not take into account friction or imperfect mixing of the fuel or backpressure or anything. It is a number that you can't determine experimentally because there are all the things I mentioned in the real world. MG> Grmmph... I'll have to convert this to metric measures MG> to find out abo it, but I'll do and check with cars I have the specs MG> of. Sorry i didn't convert it for you. If you use it on the specs that you have, the MEP slot will be empty, and if you try to get that number by solving the equation using whatever number you have for BHP, you'll come up with the BMEP, which is worthless from anything but an academic standpoint. -Lates --- Telegard v3.09.g1/mL * Origin: The Rapid Eye - 913-393-4104 - Olathe,KS (1:280/183) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2R00004 Date: 02/17/98 From: DEVIN DIMITRI Time: 03:38pm \/To: MARC GERGES (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Active Handling DD> Would your sister or dad be driving as aggressively as you? DD> MG> Well, MG> I guess my sister is far more aggressive on the road than I am. She MG> has that tiny VW Polo and she gets all out of it that's in it :-) If she's outdriving her ability, then a FWD car won't save her. MG> I normally try to foresee what is going to happen, so I can save on ac MG> and braking (and normally still am faster than her which makes her bus That is just good driving. Congratulations. MG> My dad... well, he's slow. Most are. :) DD> Also, if they're in a situation where they're not driving DD> aggressively, ie, ice, turning into the drift and feathering the DD> throttle wouldn't do any good anyway. DD> MG> Right. BUT, it wouldn't do them any good to do anything in a front wheel drive car either, because if they're skidding because of the conditions, they are in the same situation as a RWD person. -Lates --- Telegard v3.09.g1/mL * Origin: The Rapid Eye - 913-393-4104 - Olathe,KS (1:280/183) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2R00005 Date: 02/17/98 From: DEVIN DIMITRI Time: 03:40pm \/To: ROY WITT (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Active Handling DD> Would your sister or dad be driving as aggressively as you? Also, DD> if they're in a situation where they're not driving aggressively, DD> ie, ice, turning into the drift and feathering the throttle wouldn't DD> do any good anyway. RW> It would give you some control, whereas, stepping on the brakes only m RW> matters worse. Especially on ice, it seems the vehicle always feels l RW> it's picking up momentum... Hmm, we don't get much bad ice around here; what would happen if you're pushing with your foot already off the gas? Is tha when you'd pump the brakes? -Lates --- Telegard v3.09.g1/mL * Origin: The Rapid Eye - 913-393-4104 - Olathe,KS (1:280/183) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2R00006 Date: 02/17/98 From: DEVIN DIMITRI Time: 03:44pm \/To: KENNY HENDERSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: 1999 Cars DD> Damn straight. Just yesterday i saw a picture of the '98 model. DD> SPI removed the stock hood and DD> flip up headlights and replaced them with a molded carbon fiber DD> one and fixed headlights, ala a 1993 Camaro with GTO covers. They DD> look HOT. Then, of course, they tweaked under the hood. KH> Its SLP, Street Legal Performance....Yes, the WS6 cars have ram air, a KH> an optional different exhaust system.... Ahh, i knew i forgot the acronym. Thanks. For '98 the Firehawks are designated WU6. There's still a WS6, but it is just plain Ram-air. -Lates --- Telegard v3.09.g1/mL * Origin: The Rapid Eye - 913-393-4104 - Olathe,KS (1:280/183) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2R00007 Date: 02/17/98 From: DEVIN DIMITRI Time: 03:45pm \/To: TOM WALKER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Active Handling -> Sounds cool. I took a trip to Vagas over Christmas and -> one of the things i really noticed about that was the barreness. I'd -> see all these places and think 'Gee, they're going to build -> something big if they cleared a space like that' but then i realized -> it was just desert. Kinda eerie, IMHO. TW> Even more Eere is thinking about Las Vegas returning to that State(It TW> Natural one) WHEN(not If) the Water runs out. Heh. Hope not. Great state anyway. I saw my first in-person F-40. Also saw like 10 Vipers. Great city. :) -Lates --- Telegard v3.09.g1/mL * Origin: The Rapid Eye - 913-393-4104 - Olathe,KS (1:280/183) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2R00008 Date: 02/21/98 From: CHRIS ZYCHSKI Time: 12:53am \/To: JOHN PUMMILL (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation JP>CZ> Hup, two, three, four. Hup, two, three, four... JP>CZ> Light checking detail, HALT! JP>CZ> Prepare to check lights! JP>CZ> Ready... L-i-i-i-ghts CHECK!! JP>CZ> Quickly, quickly, people. We're burnin' moonlight! JP> You forgot the part about feeding the baby and reach arounds. Oh, yeah... Reach-arounds. Yeah. Har! -cc * SLMR 2.1a * Talk is cheap. Using a modem gets expensive. --- Renegade v5-11 Exp * Origin: The Bearsville BBS * Warren, MI * (810) 582-9429 (1:120/650) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2R00009 Date: 02/21/98 From: JOHN FAERBER Time: 02:12pm \/To: DON DELLMANN (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation DD> the lights. Get out, tale a walk around the car, reach back in, flip on DD> the high beams, walk around the front again, do the DD> same for left turn signal, DD> right turn signal, and "4 ways" (many people don't realize that the What I will do is back in when I go to the auto parts store or go to work, I can then check the reflection of the brake lights to see that they are in working order. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: * MacSavvy OS/2 BBS * Dallas, Texas * 972-250-4479 * (1:124/1208)