--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00073 Date: 02/14/98 From: CHRIS ZYCHSKI Time: 05:10am \/To: SEAN DUNBAR (Read 0 times) Subj: Honda q's SD>As most everyone's seen by now, I'm now driving a 1988 Honda Accord Lxi ed SD>Has power mirrors, locks, windows, sunroof, plus a/c, cloth, cruise SD>control, and is in overall pretty good shape. A couple of things that are SD>bugging me that I'd like to get fixed though... SD>#1: The drivers side pop up headlight seems to bounce around a lot. I rie SD>wiggling the actual headlight assembly, and it seems like you can move it SD>and down a little bit. The passenger side one doesn't move at all. nythi SD>I can do about this? Super glue! SD>#2: The tach seems to "stick" around 4500 RPM, and then basically goes uts SD>above that. Does this car have a mechanical or electronic tach? What oul SD>be causing this? (I'm figuring sticking cable, if it's mechanical) Time to feed the mouse. SD>#3: What would be the best RPM range to keep it at while driving to get he SD>best mileage? So far I've gotten about 25 MPG, mostly city, some freeway. 14.68 RPM. SD>#4: How hard is it to replace the lock for the fold down rear seat? It ee SD>to be stuck, or it takes another key (I only have 1 key for it which so ar SD>operates everything else). Quite easy to get open - if the hammer's BIG enough. SD>Thanks.. Just kiddin' around, Sean. Congrats on the new used car. -cc * SLMR 2.1a * Tagline explodes... Destroys BBS... Film at 11! --- Renegade v5-11 Exp * Origin: The Bearsville BBS * Warren, MI * (810) 582-9429 (1:120/650) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00074 Date: 02/15/98 From: ROY J. TELLASON Time: 08:50am \/To: ALAN MORRISON (Read 0 times) Subj: Edmunds News Alan Morrison wrote in a message to All: AM> Size counts, says NHTSA. In a summary report backed by AM> technical studies, the National Highway Traffic Safety AM> Administration says more fatalities result from car/light-truck AM> collisions than car-to-car collisions - and that 80 percent of AM> fatalities are car occupants. One study revealed that each AM> 100-pound decrease in passenger-car weight boosts the fatal AM> crash rate by 1.1 percent, and the injury crash rate by 1.6 AM> percent. This is why I've always preferred larger vehicles. What really stinks about this is that they're trying to use it as an excuse to raise insurance rates for the bigger vehicles. Supposedly it's got something to do with them causing more damage in an accident. Not that they'd consider making those who drive around in tinfoil more responsible for that choice or anything like that... Nah! email: roy.j.tellason%tanstaaf@frackit.com --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-432-0764 (1:270/615) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00075 Date: 02/15/98 From: MARK LOGSDON Time: 11:25am \/To: BILL MITCHELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Saturn Cars FAQ BM> ML> Car Group (the other part is GM-Lansing). GM stockholders BM> ML> (such as me) own Saturn. BM> BM> "Wholely owned subsidary" usually means that it is run separately as if BM> it was separate, that parts etc. can be sourced from the outside, in BM> fact that should make GM just another parts source (and vise versa), BM> that the ledger books are kept as if it was separate, and when it BM> obtains parts from GM it buys them. It often means that decisions are BM> often made in house, not by the parent. As a former engineer of a company that was at various times called a "division," a member of a "group," and an "operation," I can assure that any GM entity may purchase parts from outside suppliers. The only restrictions are those negotiated as part of the collective bargaining process with the union. On the other hand, there is an unwritten rule that engineers should "consider" GM-owned suppliers, but there has never been any mandate as far as I know. I don't see that Saturn is any different other than its special arrangements with the UAW as part of the collective bargaining process. Even within the divisions, decisions are made in-house and not by the parent. Capital sources from the parent and profits are delivered to the parent, and that is no different with Saturn. That is not to say that Saturn employees have the same compensation package as other GM employees, because they don't. I consider what Alan posted as just Saturn marketing hype and nothing more. They're trying to convince buyers that Saturn is something different, and to some extent that's true. On the other hand, GM is doing nothing at Saturn that it couldn't do at its many other plants, divisions, and subsidiaries -- excepting of course, vehement opposition from the UAW. The bottom line is that if Saturn fails or succeeds, it is the GM stockhoders who lose or win. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0232 * Origin: IBMNet Connection - Indpls, IN - 317-882-5575 28.8 USR (1:231/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00076 Date: 02/05/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 11:35pm \/To: KEITH SCUDDER (Read 0 times) Subj: 1999 Cars On, 04 Feb 98 at 02:43, KEITH SCUDDER was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to ROY WITT about "1999 Cars",: RW> KS>> Excuse me Gentlemen, but the Camaro has a Fuel-injected 231 RW> KS>> (3800) engine already available. I know I had it in my 95'... KS> RW>> That's the same venerable Buick V6 used in the Regals, among other B RW>> and G bodies.. KS> KS> At one time I had a 85' Regal with a 231 V6 and the 2BBL. carb. yet KS> the Camaro's same size engine could run circles around the 85' model. KS> Maybe it has something to do with the HP difference. HP to weight ratio, carburated vs fuel injected, better ECU...ten years made a lot of difference in computerized cars. Todays' high performance cars outperform the 60's muscle cars with less cubic inches... ... "See the USA in a Chevrolet" - --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been there, WON that! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00077 Date: 02/15/98 From: BILL MITCHELL Time: 12:35pm \/To: TOM WALKER (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation TW> Because of the Ratios of filament resistances the Headlamp or tail TW> light will "ROB" the small bulb of the voltage it requires. TW> When the bulb it is monitoring burns out the monitoring bulb TW> then sees full battery voltage across the burnt out filament TW> and lights up. Huh? What? Burnt or not, full battery voltage appears across the filiament bulb to be monitored. The two bulbs in your example are simply connected in parallel, like any other 12v bulb in the system, and one fliament burning out would have little effect on the other. A bulb would have to be a serious drain, in the order of hundreds of amps such that it's use loads the system and causes a voltage drop, for it to cause a noticable effect in your indicator. You need a way to indicate if current is being drawn, not if voltage exists. You could conceivably place a resistance in series with the bulb to be monitored, and detect in some way a voltage drop across that resistance. If the voltage drop across the resistance went to zero, then you would have a bulb out situation. Shunts are sometimes used here, a wire with know resistance and therefore known voltage drop across it when the lamp is operating. --- * Origin: The Right Place, Fort Lee, NJ 201-947-8231 (1:2604/539.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00078 Date: 02/15/98 From: BILL MITCHELL Time: 01:18pm \/To: TOM WALKER (Read 0 times) Subj: Buying imports - Banks TW> That is only a recent event relatively. But I am talking about TW> Production Quality NOT pay. The UNION JUNK Drove the TW> Customers away and Into the Arms of those Willing to Fill the TW> Need for a Quality Car. The Japanese just happened to fill TW> that need, AND not only for Cars but many other products Tom, I respect your opinion and welcome reading your posts when you speak from hands on experience. However, this sounds more like personal opinion than fact. TW> also. With this in mind OF course the Japanese Banks are Much TW> Bigger then ours. That is where the Action is and the MONEY Japanese banks are much bigger than ours? I have family that are, or were VPs for some of the largest banks, both US and Japan (Fuji Bank, Bank of Tokyo, First Chicago, Bank of NY, Banker's Trust, Chase, Chemical among others). Such a statement is just opinion, and one I disagree with. TW> is flowing to for those QUALITY products. I would expect it TW> to be no other way. We had the chance to be the Quality TW> Supplier to the World. BUT THE UNION GOONS killed it!!! And After WWII Japan's production capabilities were zilch. We rebuilt that, taught them how to compete, reduced their failure rates below 50% and taught them a lesson they only learned all too well. Meanwhile, in the states industry didn't get built up from the ground floor brand new by any government. We got lazy, chased the short term buck, and did not learn the same lessons we ourselves taught the Japanese. Did you know that the so called Japanese art of industrial management was OUR ART and that we taught it to them? As fo Union Goons screwing it up, that's a crock, and only a small piece of the puzzle and even at that doesn't show a true picture. Did you ever work on an assembly line? While I am no expert, I did work for 4 weeks on a Ford Assembly line, and that was enough to show me that "Union Goons" didn't kill squat. If anything, the union was only trying to deal with an impossible situation. Here's one example. Front ends, commonly called noses. came by me in one situation. I was to attach a bracket to them if it had been marked A/C. I had a air wrench attached to an air hose, a bin of bolts and a bin of brackets. The noses went by hanging upside down. Well, there were no provisions for bathroom breaks, I quickly ran out of air hose and could not complete an installation. My only alternative was to run up the line to the other end limit of my air hose, thus skipping a couple of noses, and continue installing brackets until I again ran out of air hose. There was no way to stop the line, complain and all you got from a supervisor was grief. If you noticed a bad weld on a bracket, or a crack, you'd fall futher behind if you said anything. Production numbers were the only thing that mattered to management. And I could easily tell more stories indicating how shoddy, but quick work would give the appearance of a job well done. It was a lesson in futility. Heck, their mind set was to cut corners, save pennies to amount to dollars. One simple case was the decision to short each oil fill by 1/2 quart, think of the $$ saved. They had engineers that's all they did, figure out what corners they could cut to increase profits. Union goons indeed! TW> Hey I can't afford to Throw my money away on JUNK. I buy fro QUALITY no TW> matter Who makes it. And Sadly right now for Automobiles it TW> is Japanese. Too broad a statement, in autos and in many other manufactured goods they are about the same. In fact, they did us all in the states a service, they woke us up and got us off our butts to the point that much of our stuff surpasses even the "perceived quality" that Made in Japan has with some. I still remember when that guaranteed tin quality crap, but man was it cheap tin quality crap. ->> We've always made better trucks, and large cars, while they ->> have in the past made some better small cars. While we have There's no comparason to US trucks. Mercedes's recent experience is one, the mid size trucks they marketed here for a few years were nothing but crap. TW> Just face it we are our own Worst Enemy. Yes, because we taught the Japanese how to succeed, and forgot our own sson. Did you know that McArthur's men taught them how to manufacture radios, and to do it with a less than the 50% rejection rate they did on their own? This was the start, and it was all because McArthur figured that it would be much easier to be the head man in Japan after WWII if every Japanese had a cheap but functional radio so that person could receive his orders. Did you know that the Japanese motorcycle industry started because Harley Davidson sold patents, designs and ideas to an american who built a factory in Japan in the thirties? He did so because it would be cheaper than importing the bikes whole. Hmm, sound familiar? --- * Origin: The Verplanck Point, Somewhere in NY/NJ (1:2604/539.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00079 Date: 02/15/98 From: JOHN PUMMILL Time: 11:25am \/To: KENNY HENDERSON (Read 0 times) Subj: TCC Lockup KH> Yes. Unless serious mods are done, a chip is a waste. I dunno, a good chip with some mild air flow mods should help some. With serious mods (heads, air intake, cam, headers, free flow) the chip is essential to restore the fuel curve. The Prix is far enough out there as fuel curve goes a stock chip will not suitable run it into more than a couple of pounds of boost. --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Running from the Klan in the Fiero (1:123/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00080 Date: 02/15/98 From: JOHN PUMMILL Time: 11:35am \/To: KENNY HENDERSON (Read 0 times) Subj: TCC Lockup KH> What year 350 do you have? I would do the exhaust first, KH> then worry KH> about headers. Check to see how hard they would be to KH> install. On my KH> car they are very diffucult thus I will skip them. The KH> biggest KH> horsepower gainers are the K&N FIPK and cat-back exhaust. Gheez, I am picking on you today. :) Take some garden hose (1/2 inch) and see what kind of pressure you have by seeing how far it will spray. Then cut the hose in half and put in some 3/4 inch and see how far it will spray. Until you do something with the piping from the headers back you are still running 2 1/4 inch to the cats (let's say four feet) which restrict the flow, then you are running 2 1/2 inch for the last four feet... what is your advantage ?? This is especially true on turbo cars. If you go gonzo on the exhaust side you really need to go gonzo on the intake side or you will not make optimum boost. I run 2.5 inch for roughly two feet (out of the turbo) and break it into 2.25 inch duals to carry to the end of the car. When I did this I had to go to a four inch inlet from the air filter (under the grill) to the turbo to bring more air to the turbo. Also, the fewer bends the better the flow. My system has six soft bends. --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Running from the Klan in the Fiero (1:123/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00081 Date: 02/15/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 02:52pm \/To: ALAN MORRISON (Read 0 times) Subj: Brakes On, 11 Feb 98 at 20:36, Alan Morrison was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to Roy Witt about "Brakes",: AM> -=>> Quoting Roy Witt to Christopher Tarana <=- AM> CT>> "Split-Diagonal" system and is designed to allow you to stop the CT>> car safely if one of the systems should fail. AM> RW>> And if the "split-diagonal" system exists, shouldn't you replace RW>> everything on all axles? AM> AM> I think I got one of those bowling once... 8^) 7,6,10? RW>> ... C5 Corvette - 0-60 in 4.9 seconds, top speed of 169mph. AM> AM> Motor Trend and Car&Driver are reporting between 172 and 175 MPH and AM> as quick as 4.7 seconds to sixty... You're smileage may vary. So my taglines out of date...:) AM> RW>> ... My 4th Chevy: 1968 Camaro RS/SS 396, in Black/Tourqois. AM> AM> Hmm... in addition to my slightly older 85 Z28, which I believe you AM> have an 89, I also had a '69 Camaro RS/SS 350 in metallic green. 88 IROC-Z...BTW, Chevy didn't make a Z28 in 88. My 68 was Turquoise with a Black vinyl top. 325hp, 396 w/muncie 4spd, no air... I enjoyed it for about a year, and when the 'aerospace' industry took a crap, I had to get rid of one of two things. My house or my car. A wife and two kids wouldn't have enjoyed living in the Camaro, so it had to go. ... My 6th Chevy: 1957 210 Tudor, in Blue. 1970) --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, #1, On or Off the Track! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00082 Date: 02/15/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 02:58pm \/To: KENNY HENDERSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation On, 14 Feb 98 at 14:58, Kenny Henderson was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to Roy Witt about "Vehicle Confiscation",: KH> RW> CZ>> Was the baiff's name "Rusty"? Har! KH> RW>> Nope. He was over in Judge what's his names small claims court.. KH> KH> KH> Judge Wapner's People's Court :) That's the one.. ... My 1st Chevy: 1952 Deluxe Tudor, in Green (1959). --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: (1:202/909.13)