--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00063 Date: 02/14/98 From: BILL MITCHELL Time: 02:19pm \/To: MARK LOGSDON (Read 0 times) Subj: Saturn Cars FAQ ML> Define "wholly owned subsidiary." No, Saturn is not described by GM ML> as a division, but GM has been playing games for years with ML> its descriptors. GM says that Saturn is part of its Small ML> Car Group (the other part is GM-Lansing). GM stockholders ML> (such as me) own Saturn. "Wholely owned subsidary" usually means that it is run separately as if it was separate, that parts etc. can be sourced from the outside, in fact that should make GM just another parts source (and vise versa), that the ledger books are kept as if it was separate, and when it obtains parts from GM it buys them. It often means that decisions are often made in house, not by the parent. It also makes it much easier to spin it off if necessary. --- * Origin: DESQview MODERATOR, mitch@nettrip.net (1:2604/539.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00064 Date: 02/13/98 From: MARC GERGES Time: 10:39pm \/To: DEVIN DIMITRI (Read 0 times) Subj: 225 hp Neon? Salut Devin! MG>> Mmmmh... I don't really think 0-100 MG>> in 7 seconds is underpowered at al when you consider the car has MG>> automatic transmission, it seems quite f DD> 100kph is approximately 62 mph, right? Right. DD> Well, for a car that looks as outrageous and aggressive as the DD> Prowler, you would expect times right around 5 seconds. There are DD> plenty of under 7 cars with automatic transmissions, the new Jaguar, DD> the C5, all of the American pony cars, i'm not sure how fast the DD> luxury Benz's are, but i know a Lexus GS400 will do 0-60 in about 6 DD> seconds. For a two seat roadster, seven seconds is a DD> looooooooooooooooooooong time. It's another point of view. Most cars sold here are considerably slower than 10 seconds, and the really fast cars are under 9. So 7 is really fine :) cu .\\arc ... Women's clothes: Go to extremes, seldom to extremities. --- * Origin: sympathy for the debil (2:270/47) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00065 Date: 02/13/98 From: MARC GERGES Time: 10:40pm \/To: DEVIN DIMITRI (Read 0 times) Subj: 225 hp Neon? Salut Devin! DD>> BHP is Brake Horsepower, it's the acutal output of the engine. DD>> Umm, not exactly the same as the number a Dynometer would give DD>> you, but similar. MG>> But a dynometer exactly gives you that - short of any MG>> measuring tolera of course. DD> Ok, let me clarify that, when i say dynometer, i'm thinking of the DD> ones that you put an entire car on, not the ones that you take an DD> engine and hook the driveshaft into. Right, that's what I mean too. You put the car on it, go in the second highest or highest gear to the maximum and let it come back. The dyno measures the power applied and the power eaten when the car slows down and from the difference calculates the engine power. DD>> than the simple Algebra that the HP formula uses. Mmmmh... how do MG>> you figure the horsepower from an engine using the spe DD> AxMx(S/12)x(RPM/2)xN all divided by 33,000 DD> A is the area of the piston head DD> M is the Mean Effective Pressure, which can be gotten from a DD> manufacturer, and is not really IN the specs DD> S is the stroke, in inches DD> RPM is self explanitory DD> N is the number of cylinders DD> Basically, you're finding out how far the piston is moving, DD> how much air it's moving and at what pressure, then multiplying DD> that by the number of cylinders. That gives foot pounds per DD> minute. Then, 33000 foot pounds of work per minute is a HP. DD> This is the Indicated Horsepower. Grmmph... I'll have to convert this to metric measures to find out about it, but I'll do and check with cars I have the specs of. cu .\\arc ... Computers can never replace human stupidity. --- * Origin: sympathy for the debil (2:270/47) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00066 Date: 02/13/98 From: MARC GERGES Time: 10:43pm \/To: DEVIN DIMITRI (Read 0 times) Subj: Active Handling Salut Devin! MG>> know, and when I'm fresh and concentrate I can do. But I wouldn't MG>> bet on it and my sister or my dad surely woul know what to do. DD> Would your sister or dad be driving as aggressively as you? Well, I guess my sister is far more aggressive on the road than I am. She has that tiny VW Polo and she gets all out of it that's in it :-) I normally try to foresee what is going to happen, so I can save on acceleration and braking (and normally still am faster than her which makes her bust ;-)) My dad... well, he's slow. DD> Also, if they're in a situation where they're not driving DD> aggressively, ie, ice, turning into the drift and feathering the DD> throttle wouldn't do any good anyway. Right. cu .\\arc ... Computers are like sex, it's all based on I/O. --- * Origin: sympathy for the debil (2:270/47) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00067 Date: 02/13/98 From: DEVIN DIMITRI Time: 09:51am \/To: TOM WALKER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Active Handling TW> It is a relative of the Catus I believe. But is is a very drought TW> tolerant plant that needs little care that at one time was popular for TW> out freeway off ramp areas. And in some places totally lines toe off TW> section of Freeways in populated areas. It is a ground cover type of [snip] TW> season nand the areas look like bare dirt the rest of the year. The TW> Blooms, Which are coming out right now are very beautiful though. TW> Incident;y the Ice Plant has a purple flower and looks like purple TW> blankets around the off ramps when they bloom. Sounds cool. I took a trip to Vagas over Christmas and one of the things i really noticed about that was the barreness. I'd see all these places and think 'Gee, they're going to build something big if they cleared a space like that' but then i realized it was just desert. Kinda eerie, IMHO. -Lates --- Telegard v3.09.g1/mL * Origin: The Rapid Eye - 913-393-4104 - Olathe,KS (1:280/183) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00068 Date: 02/13/98 From: DEVIN DIMITRI Time: 09:55am \/To: KENNY HENDERSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: 1999 Cars DD> Hmm, i've heard that, but still, they should pop a 351 in it as an DD> SVT option. Oh, and what do you drive? There's too many people DD> to keep track of. Speaking for quality, i've heard that the DD> Firehawks, in the similar price range of the SVTs are good cars. KH> '94 Formula Firebird (LT1) auto, 3.23 gears mods: K&N air filter, KH> edelbrock cat-back 13.66 @ 100.56 with BFG Drags (255-50-16) KH> :) Damn straight. Just yesterday i saw a picture of the '98 model. SPI removed the stock hood and flip up headlights and replaced them with a molded carbon fiber one and fixed headlights, ala a 1993 Camaro with GTO covers. They look HOT. Then, of course, they tweaked under the hood. -Lates --- Telegard v3.09.g1/mL * Origin: The Rapid Eye - 913-393-4104 - Olathe,KS (1:280/183) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00069 Date: 02/14/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 04:00pm \/To: DEVIN DIMITRI (Read 0 times) Subj: Active Handling On, 11 Feb 98 at 15:29, Devin Dimitri was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to Marc Gerges about "Re: Active Handling",: DD> MG>> know, and when I'm fresh and concentrate I can do. But I wouldn't MG>> bet on it and my sister or my dad surely woul know what to do. DD> DD> Would your sister or dad be driving as aggressively as you? DD> Also, if they're in a situation where they're not driving DD> aggressively, ie, ice, turning into the drift and feathering DD> the throttle wouldn't do any good anyway. It would give you some control, whereas, stepping on the brakes only makes matters worse. Especially on ice, it seems the vehicle always feels like it's picking up momentum... ... Chevrolet Malibu, Motor Trend Car Of The Year, 1997 --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been there, WON that! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00070 Date: 02/14/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 04:03pm \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation On, 12 Feb 98 at 19:30, Roy J. Tellason was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to TOM WALKER about "Vehicle Confiscation",: -> TW>> You are right an Light emitting diode or Bulb placed in -> TW>> parallel with the light being monitored would be sufficient. -> TW>> :-) ->> ->> How is a bulb or LED placed in parallel with the bulb being monitored ->> to tell you when it burns out? RJT> TW>> Because of the Ratios of filament resistances the Headlamp or TW>> tail light will "ROB" the small bulb of the voltage it TW>> requires. When the bulb it is monitoring burns out the TW>> monitoring bulb then sees full battery voltage across the burnt TW>> out filament and lights up. RJT> RJT> Nope, I can't see it... Me either. I originally said a bulb or LED in series would do the trick. How the hell parallel got into the thread is beyond me. ... 98 305HP LS-1 Z28, 13.5 seconds in 1/4 mile, sounds more like 325 HP. --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00071 Date: 02/14/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 04:07pm \/To: ALAN MORRISON (Read 0 times) Subj: Gordon On, 09 Feb 98 at 19:08, Alan Morrison was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to Roy Witt about "Gordon",: AM> RW>> ... Jeff Gordon wins Rockingham - 2-23-1997, in a Chevy Monte RW>> Carlo. AM> AM> Jeff Gordon robbed at Daytona - 2-8-98, by NASCAR in a big glass AM> building! Exactly! AM> Did you see this fiasco? The whole thing wreaked. I had forgotten all about it and came in at the next to last yellow flag. I don't know about the rest of the race, but it sure reaked from the next green... AM> .. Bud took over the sponsorship from Busch, and promptly barred AM> the Busch sponsored car. They changed the layout from two AM> back-to-back races, to a qualifying race, and then a measly 25 lap AM> race... Same thing really except they saved money on TV time, and AM> we didn't get to see the first 'race'. You can thank Bud and CBS for that.. All of the network coverage has a history of being full time crap. Our stupid local affiliate sometimes carries a Padres' game instead of the race. Good thing it's not baseball season, we'd probably miss the Daytona too! AM> Didn't get to see Earnhardt either, so it looked like it was gonna AM> be Wonder-Boy's day, unless the Fords were fast enough. I had wondered what happened to DE...I didn't see him or any of the standings that included his name. AM> It seems they are all quite equal again, although at times it AM> appeared the new GM engines were strong. Did you notice the higher AM> pitch on the SB2? I'll have more experience with the SB2 on Sunday. So far, what I've heard of them sounds pretty good. I sure do like the looks of those fat valve covers...impressive. AM> So what is your take on that last restart? Did Jeffy make the AM> sacrifice for Chevy teams and let Ford win, or just screw-up? Apparently he slowed to fool the Foad guys and blew it. By the time he recovered Rusty and two Foads were out front and Cry-baby had blown 4th gear... AM> Either way they should have waved for a restart... I bet they would AM> have followed the rule here if it wasn't already over the allotted AM> airtime! What a crock!! ... NASCAR - Needs A Stable Concept AM> About Restarts Agreed. Although Gordon wouldn't have been able to race without 4th gear, a restart should have been scheduled. NASCAR has a good restart rule, they just need to get CBS to commit to overtime...screw the olympic coverage or whatever it was they were going to next. It made me so mad I switched channels... ... My 2nd Chevy: 1955 Del Ray Tudor in Grey. (1962) --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00072 Date: 02/14/98 From: VERN FAULKNER Time: 11:43am \/To: SEAN DUNBAR (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Oily Plugs JF> this here. What does it mean when a person pulls their JF> plugs andd they are oily, what would that mean? Big $$ SD> If the car's been parked for awhile (overnight or longer) I would suspect SD> valve seals.. How difficult are they to replace, just outta interest? --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Warm Fire, Hearty Helpings - Fox n' Dragon Inn (1:340/44)