--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00020 Date: 02/16/98 From: TOM WALKER Time: 07:39am \/To: BILL MITCHELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Buying imports - Banks -> Tom, I respect your opinion and welcome reading your posts when you s -> from hands on experience. However, this sounds more like personal opi -> than fact. I would like to only post about personal experience about maintaining cars which I did fro over 40 years as a Hobby, Sometimes fro fun and other as a matter of necessity. But when some Big Mouth tells ME that I should buy American without regard to the Quality It gets me going. Sorry about that. -> TW> also. With this in mind OF course the Japanese Banks are Much -> TW> Bigger then ours. That is where the Action is and the MONEY -> -> Japanese banks are much bigger than ours? -> -> I have family that are, or were VPs for some of the largest banks, bo -> and Japan (Fuji Bank, Bank of Tokyo, First Chicago, Bank of NY, Banke -> Trust, Chase, Chemical among others). Such a statement is just -> opinion, and one I disagree with. Well as part of this thread there was a post listing the comparisons of the assets of Japanese Banks and American banks. As I recall our FIRST bank was not near the top of the listing. And in fact all of the top three or four WERE MUCH bigger than our Biggest. -> Did you -> know that the so called Japanese art of industrial management was -> OUR ART and that we taught it to them? YES I DO know that. And I also KNOW that the UNIONS are the Biggest Impediment to Introducing those very management teniques here in this country. I find it very SAD that the Saturn experiment COULD have been done LONG ago but was PREVENTED by the UNIONS. And the UNIONS STILL don't get it as they are FIGHTING ANY expansion of the type of Industrial Management being used in the Saturn Project. -> As fo Union Goons screwing it up, that's a crock, and only a small -> piece of the puzzle and even at that doesn't show a true picture. It was the ONLY factor in the Destruction of the VW American Production experiment. -> TW> Just face it we are our own Worst Enemy. -> -> Yes, because we taught the Japanese how to succeed, and forgot our -> own lesson. -> -> Did you know that McArthur's men taught them how to manufacture radio -> to do it with a less than the 50% rejection rate they did on their -> own? This was the start, and it was all because McArthur figured -> that it would be much easier to be the head man in Japan after WWII -> if every Japanese had a cheap but functional radio so that person -> could receive his orders. -> Did you know that the Japanese motorcycle industry started because -> Harley Davidson sold patents, designs and ideas to an american who -> built a factory in Japan in the thirties? He did so because it would -> be cheaper than importing the bikes whole. Hmm, sound familiar? BUT we sat on our Behinds, Mostly THANKS TO THE UNIONS, While they took those Ideas and RAN with them. We sat back along with the British thinking the People would be Stupidly LOYAL and would continue to buy OUR JUNK. Well some of the people FOOLED them and there you have it. That also reminds me of the situation with Liquid Crystal Computer screens. Those like used on Lap tops and Emergency Medical monitors. The American Industry was rapidly loosing market share because of the Very LOW product quality. Something like 3 out of 4 displays being unusable. While the Foreign produce was 3 out of 4 USABLE. Well the UNION GOONS used their political Power to place an Equalizing Import TAX on the US product. BLACKMAILING the industry to use the US product. Of course that means that WE the Customer PAY MORE! The idea of bringing the Quality to that of the Foreign maker never entered the picture because the UNION Problem we must deal with Prevented it. And I will pass on the "Chicken TAX" placed on Mini Trucks being Imported to the TUNE of 25% in the late 1950's. Still in Place by the way and was engineered by the UNIONS incidentally because they could see that the Americans were tiring of the UNION CRAP and were looking fondly at the Quality product filling a NEED from Overseas. It was originally designed to prevent VW from importing their Closed Vans and trucks. --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Jim's East County BBS! El Cajon, CA. (619) 561-8424 (1:202/100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00021 Date: 02/16/98 From: DON DELLMANN Time: 10:49am \/To: MARK LOGSDON (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation While tripping merrily through the mail, Mark Logsdon was overheard ML> When the switch is in state 2 (closed S1A, open S1B), sufficient ML> voltage is applied to bulb filament R2 to illuminate it. However, ML> you will not have filament-detection capability in state 2. Only ML> during state 1 where the headlamps are turned off will your have ML> detection capability. But when the headlights are turned OFF, I don't care if one's burned out :-) I can see where that should work, but there's got to be an easier way. It seems to me that I recall the first detectors weren't even electronic. I seem to recall Oldsmobile some years back running fibre optics from all the bulbs back to the instrument panel. Don ... Soon To Be A Major Motion Picture. --- * Origin: *YOPS ]I[* 8.4 GIG * RA/FD/FE * Milwaukee, WI (1:154/750) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00022 Date: 02/16/98 From: DON DELLMANN Time: 10:51am \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation While tripping merrily through the mail, Roy J. Tellason was overheard RJT> What I was considering when I first posted that was *something* in RJT> series with a bulb that would sense current and activate when that RJT> current wasn't there. RJT> But the actual wiring of it still puts me off of the idea more than RJT> anything else... How about a coil and a magnetic reed switch? Don ... Want to own a small business? Buy a big one and wait. --- * Origin: *YOPS ]I[* 8.4 GIG * RA/FD/FE * Milwaukee, WI (1:154/750) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00023 Date: 02/14/98 From: MARC GERGES Time: 11:05pm \/To: ROY WITT (Read 0 times) Subj: Active Handling Salut Roy! MG>> Yes, if you know how to do. I know, and when I'm fresh and MG>> concentrated, I can do. But I wouldn't bet on it and my sister or MG>> my dad surely wouldn't know what to do. RW> Then they shouldn't be driving beyond their limit... Imho anybody shouldn't drive beyond the limit. But there are situations when such things happen. Just imagine you have to avoid a deer on the road, this can bring you into big trouble. RW> If you're -in- a turn/curve with the front end plowing with the rear RW> end coming around and step off, if you don't steer into the rear end RW> drift direction, you'll be going into the bushes. Do all the braking RW> you need before you get into the turn and use the accelerator to bring RW> the car out of it... That's the classic driving style: bring your car to the right speed and the right gear before the turn and drive through it with a firm foot on the gas pedal. Cars have developed. If I feel like braking, changing gears or whatever in a turn, I expect my car to cope with that. The only car I test drove that didn't was a Porsche 911 (this brought me into a lot of trouble when braking in a turn). cu .\\arc ... The secret of flying is to throw yourself at the ground and miss. --- * Origin: sympathy for the debil (2:270/47) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00024 Date: 02/13/98 From: ROY J. TELLASON Time: 09:55am \/To: MARK LOGSDON (Read 0 times) Subj: El Paso Mark Logsdon wrote in a message to Jason Wedehase: JW> AG> Well we in Europe pay $1 per LITRE, and there's five litres to a JW> AG> gallon. JW> JW> Try 2. 2 and change. not 5. ML> 5 liters = 1.32 gallons ML> Andrew's price is $1.00/liter * 3.8 liters/gallon = ML> $3.80/gallon. Of course, we should also clarify whether we're talking about US gallons or "imperial gallons", which I ran into in Canada and which are something like 20% bigger... :-) email: roy.j.tellason%tanstaaf@frackit.com --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-432-0764 (1:270/615) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00025 Date: 02/13/98 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 09:07am \/To: TOM WALKER (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation TW>-> TOM WALKER wrote in a message to ROY WITT: TW>-> TW>-> -> Why would you bother using a switch? TW>-> TW>-> TW> Just being fancy and thinking about a trasnistor switching TW>-> TW> matrix I guess. TW>-> TW> You are right an Light emitting diode or Bulb placed in TW>-> TW> parallel with the light being monitored would be sufficient. TW>-> TW> :-) TW>-> TW>-> How is a bulb or LED placed in parallel with the bulb being monitored TW>-> to tell you when it burns out? TW> Because of the Ratios of filament resistances the Headlamp or tail TW>light will "ROB" the small bulb of the voltage it requires. When the TW>bulb it is monitoring burns out the monitoring bulb then sees full TW>battery voltage across the burnt out filament and lights up. If two bulbs are placed in parallel, BOTH will receive FULL voltage, regardless of the resistances of the filaments. Simply the law of physics. ___ OLX 2.1 TD If bankers can count why have 8 windows and 4 tellers? --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00026 Date: 02/13/98 From: DON DELLMANN Time: 10:21am \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation While tripping merrily through the mail, Roy J. Tellason was overheard RJT> Nope, I can't see it... RJT> What auto bulb (in anything other than earlier 6v stuff) is going to RJT> have other than 12 volts across it, when it's operating? What bulb RJT> is going to have any other voltage when it's burned out? This doesn't RJT> make any sense to me. RJT> Now if we were talking about somehow monitoring the _current_ I could RJT> see it. Even then, in order to work, wouldn't the indicator bulb have to be in SERIES with the main load? In which case, a burnout would create an open circuit, and nothing would light, right? In model railroading we often use such an arrangement to detect OVERLOADS and SHORTS, but not an OPEN. Don ... "Could you continue your petty bickering? I find it most intriguing." --- * Origin: *YOPS ]I[* 3.1 GIG * RA/FD/FE RADist * Milwaukee, WI (1:154/750) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00027 Date: 02/13/98 From: MARK LOGSDON Time: 07:20pm \/To: ALAN MORRISON (Read 0 times) Subj: Saturn Cars FAQ AM> AM> Is Saturn part of General Motors? Yes; however, Saturn is a wholly AM> AM> owned subsidiary and not a division of GM. AM> AM> ML> Huh? Why doesn't Saturn issue stock? AM> AM> I'm not much of the financier Mark, but maybe 'wholly owned' means they AM> don't have stockholders. Just a guess, but they are a subsidiary of AM> GM, whereas the other makes are divisions within GM. Define "wholly owned subsidiary." No, Saturn is not described by GM as a division, but GM has been playing games for years with its descriptors. GM says that Saturn is part of its Small Car Group (the other part is GM-Lansing). GM stockholders (such as me) own Saturn. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0232 * Origin: IBMNet Connection - Indpls, IN - 317-882-5575 28.8 USR (1:231/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2K00028 Date: 02/13/98 From: MARK LOGSDON Time: 07:20pm \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation RJ> -> How is a bulb or LED placed in parallel with the bulb being RJ> -> monitored to tell you when it burns out? RJ> RJ> TW> Because of the Ratios of filament resistances the Headlamp or RJ> TW> tail light will "ROB" the small bulb of the voltage it RJ> TW> requires. When the bulb it is monitoring burns out the RJ> TW> monitoring bulb then sees full battery voltage across the burnt RJ> TW> out filament and lights up. RJ> RJ> Nope, I can't see it... If the LED is in PARALLEL with the 12 volt lamp (as you originally queried), then I join you as a blind man. If the LED is across the switch and in SERIES with the lamp, then I understand. In the latter case, the open (failed) lamp can only be detected when the switch is open. That doesn't appear to be the circuit that Tom is describing. I'll show one possible scheme in my schematic below. At the left is the 12 volt source, i.e., battery. The current through this circuit is clockwise. Switch S1 is shown as open. If S1 was closed, then 12 volts would be applied across R2 (the bulb). If the bulb is good, then it will pass current and light will result. A good bulb would be represented by a very low value of R2. When S1 is open, then current is allowed to pass through R1 and D1. R1 is a resistor chosen to limit current through D1 (the LED). The value of R1 is chosen so that it is larger than R2, i.e., R1 >> R2. If R2 is a low resistance (as it is when the bulb is good), then much current flows through R1 and D1. If R2 is a high resistance (as it is when the bulb is open or failed), then little if any current flows through R1 and D1. / S1 / +-------+----o o----+--------+ | | | | + | | | | --- \ | \ 12 - / R1 = 499 | / R2 = 1 Volts --- \ | \ Bulb - | | | - | +-----|>|------+ | | D1 | | | +-------------------------------+ D1 could be a simple LED or it could be the input circuit of an optoisolator that supplied feedback to a computer or some other type of monitoring device. Some people like to see real numbers. Here are some hypothetical but realistic values of R1 and R2. R1 = 499 ohms R2 = 1 ohm (cold resistance of bulb) Assume a 2 volt drop across D1. The current through D1 with the switch open would be about 20 milliamperes. If the bulb was open or if the switch was closed, then there would negligible (near zero) current through D1. As I said earlier, the only drawback is that the switch must be open in order to detect an open lamp. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0232 * Origin: IBMNet Connection - Indpls, IN - 317-882-5575 28.8 USR (1:231/1)