--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2500019 Date: 02/04/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 10:41pm \/To: CHRIS ZYCHSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation On, 04 Feb 98 at 03:12, Chris Zychski was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to John Pummill about "Vehicle Confiscation",: JP>> compliance. Driving is a priveledge, not a right. Proper equipment CZ> CZ> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ CZ> John, I take task with this thought. Freedom of movement is a CZ> Constitutional guarantee. Only right and proper regulation may CZ> be applied. Please don't succumb to the constant chipping away CZ> of our rights. Last time I was in traffic court, c1980, the judge muttered something about driving being a priveledge, granted by the state of California. I laughed so loud the bailif removed me from the court until I calmed down.. ... Ford guy: "Yeup, I'd know those Chevy tail lights anywhere." --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, #1, On or Off the Track! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2500020 Date: 02/04/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 10:44pm \/To: CHRIS ZYCHSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation On, 04 Feb 98 at 03:12, Chris Zychski was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to Roy J. Tellason about "Vehicle Confiscation",: RJT>> John Pummill wrote in a message to Devin Dimitri: CZ> RJT> JP>> Also, please, no MANly pounding on the chest claiming to be RJT> JP>> THE MAN and always checking the bulbs to insure proper RJT> JP>> function. I try to stay on top of it too. That means there are RJT> JP>> two of us out of how many million cars that we are SURE get RJT> JP>> checked regularly ?? CZ> RJT>> Sure, we try to stay on top of things, but... CZ> RJT>> How easy would it be to build a small electronic circuit that could RJT>> alert to a bulb having burned out? Maybe even which one? I'll bet RJT>> it wouldn't all that difficult, though getting to the appropriate RJT>> points in the wirin the car is another matter entirely. CZ> CZ> My '91 MkVII has Circuity check warning LEDs all over the place. CZ> Head and tailights included. The tailight indicators are on the CZ> overhead mini-console. Makes me wonder what whatever am I to do CZ> if any of the LEDs malfunction. :{) Check the light bulb...:) Then replace the LED. ... "She's real fine, my four o nine." --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been there, WON that! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2500021 Date: 02/04/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 10:49pm \/To: CHRIS ZYCHSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Buying imports On, 04 Feb 98 at 03:12, Chris Zychski was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to Alan Morrison about "Buying imports",: AM>> ... HONDA - How Our Nations Debt Accumulated CZ> CZ> One might perceive you hold some peevishness for the CZ> Japanese automotive industry. CZ> CZ> I say: CZ> CZ> Boycott 'em all. Let 'em construct artificial reefs CZ> from unsold cars an' trucks, an' go back to FISHIN'! Here! Here! Three cheers for Chris... ... C5 Corvette - 0-60 in 4.9 seconds, top speed of 169mph. --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2500022 Date: 02/04/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 10:50pm \/To: MICHAEL SHARON (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation On, 03 Feb 98 at 15:43, MICHAEL SHARON was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to ROY WITT about "Re: Vehicle Confiscation",: MS> -=>> Quoting Roy Witt to Roy J. Tellason <=- MS> RW>> On, 01 Feb 98 at 21:44, RW>> Roy J. Tellason was overheard shouting over the engine noise, RW>> saying something to John Pummill about "Vehicle Confiscation",: MS> RJT>> How easy would it be to build a small electronic circuit that RJT>> could alert you to a bulb having burned out? Maybe even which RJT>> one? I'll bet it wouldn't be all that difficult, though getting RJT>> to the appropriate points in the wiring of the car is another RJT>> matter entirely. MS> RW>> Cadillac started doing that years ago. Put a small lamp bulb in RW>> series with each taillamp and when one of them goes out, you get to RW>> check which one. Later models use a super-bright LED in place of RW>> the small lamp. MS> MS> As did Chrysler back in '88 or '89. It was called the Electronic MS> Monitor. They offer 2 versions, an Alpha Numeric, and a Car Graphic MS> Indicator. My 84 Eldo had little LEDs mounted over the rear window, right above the 3rd brake light which was mounted on the package shelf. When I applied the brakes, two little red LEDs lit up. If either one wasn't on, check and replace the brake light lamp. On the front fender hidden in a chrome strip, there were small ends of an optical cable that carried the light from the turn signal light. When one of those went out, you replace the signal lamp. They also used optical cable to illuminate the "coach" lamp on the C pillar, which had a bulb on the end of the cable, accessed through the trunk... MS> They both offered a wide variety of indicators from malfunctioning MS> engine sensors to burned out exterior lamps. They were offered as an MS> option, and are quite expensive. Therefore, not very popular. Most MS> people IWI, feel they can simply check the exterior lights MS> periodically rather than pay a few hundred bucks to have a computer MS> tell them the same information. Well, see that's where Mopar went down the wrong path. Computers are meant for doing tasks a lot more involved than the meanial task of monitoring light bulbs...:) My Caddy had the digital dash, which controlled the air/heater as well as the radio. It also used all of the sensors on board to calculate the fuel milage and give you a read out on the dash as well...one time, going down the I-10 out of San Bernardino into the desert, I got 70mpg and the digitals said I could potentially go 700+ miles if I maintained that milage. This was all down hill for maybe 20 miles as we drop from mountains to the desert floor. When I got to Phoenix, I checked the milage and found that I'd gotten 26mpg...Which is what the digital dash said I averaged... ... Visions of Chevy Muscle Cars danced in his head. --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2500023 Date: 02/04/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 10:52pm \/To: JAY EMRIE (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation On, 03 Feb 98 at 13:23, JAY EMRIE was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to ROY WITT about "Vehicle Confiscation",: RW> JP>> Also, please, no MANly pounding on the chest claiming to be THE RW> JP>> MAN and always checking the bulbs to insure proper function. I RW> JP>> try to stay on top of it too. That means there are two of us out RW> JP>> of how many million cars that we are SURE get checked regularly RW> JP>> ?? JE> RW>> Three! JE> JE> Since I do a lot of RV driving, I have developed a habit of EVERY JE> time I hook up the trailer and get ready to pull out I check the JE> functioning of ALL lights on my van and trailer. Considering I JE> stretch out over 50' in length, MUST make WIDE right turns, and do JE> not/can not drive at the speed limits when the limit is over 55 MPH I JE> want to make sure I have done everything possible to prevent JE> problems. Yes, I am very conscious of the mechanical aspects JE> also. As well you should be, Jay. And I commend you for being so diligent. JE> Now about the family car. I do periodically check the lights, JE> but no where near every time I get ready to drive. Probably maybe JE> once a month of so. I feel I do check things FAR more than the JE> average individual. I didn't mean to imply that I did either. Just that I'm aware of all those cars around me that have lights burned out, no brake lights and so on. I want to ensure that someone following me doesn't get surprised when I apply the brakes...that's why I take a look whenever I can... JE> Any body that expects drivers to check the lights each time or even JE> daily or weekly is just whistling in the wind. I know a guy there in South Texas that might disagree with you. He's in the habit of making flight checks every time he's about to fly his airplane. That kinda habit grows on you if you do it daily. ... Monte Carlo, 237 of Chevrolet's 317 NASCAR Winston Cup wins. 1996 --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2500024 Date: 02/04/98 From: ROY WITT Time: 10:54pm \/To: CHRIS ZYCHSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: TCC Lockup On, 04 Feb 98 at 03:12, Chris Zychski was overheard shouting over the engine noise, saying something to Ruben Lopez about "TCC Lockup",: RL> KH>> One bit of advice Ruben, don't expect any performance gains from RL> KH>> a chip in a mostly stock motor. CZ> RL>> Thanks for the advise Kenny. But I can raise my redline can't RL>> I? And, won't it adjust my shift points and air/fuel ratio? CZ> CZ> Ruben, I believe Kenny is right. You'd probably gain more by CZ> simply dropping to a few-degree-cooler thermostat to "fool" CZ> your stock chip. My belief is that the chip be upgraded only CZ> after other performance changes (fuel intake, exhaust relief) CZ> are made. CZ> CZ> Someone correct me if my premise is wrong. Works for me. Manually shifting that automatic will allow the engine to rev to the red line and the AFR will take care of it's self because of the cooler engine temp. Had to explain the use of "engine brake" to the other half today. She doesn't think the automatic in her Monte Carlo SS should have to be flipped between OD, D and 2. Maybe I'm just used to my IROC's 5 ed...:) ... 24,5,25 = 1,2,3 at Daytona 500 - Feb 16, 1997 --- T(W)itt Filter Tossed v1.13 * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, #1, On or Off the Track! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2500025 Date: 02/04/98 From: KEVIN RELKOFF Time: 06:52pm \/To: DEVIN DIMITRI (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: American Sports Car KR> stopping> and i'm drivign over like leaves, ect.. ABS does kick in.. i als KR> think it kicks in when slowing down quick and i through KR> in first, and when it goes into first, it doesn't let the rear wheels KR> `chirp' since the rear wheels are `locking' up so it releases the brak KR> pressure.. DD> Huh? I'm not comprehending here. You mean it's not letting DD> you squeek the tires on the 1-2 upshift, or what? I don't DD> think ABS has anything to do with accelleration.... Oh Sorry about that.. WHen You slowing down when aply the brakes, and You throw it into first.. Usually The tires Chirp/Sequel when It does into 1st from like 3rd, Right? I think my car doesn't do it, well it does but VERY VERY shortly, Becuase cuase ABS releases the brake pressure to the Rear wheels which help it not do it.. --- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] * Origin: Value Link BBS 930-0715 (1:153/959) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2500026 Date: 02/04/98 From: KEVIN RELKOFF Time: 06:52pm \/To: DEVIN DIMITRI (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: cool cop cars KR> rebuild it, and ad a few things too It.. torque convertor and MAYBE a Manual Shift Valve body> Well it' DD> Cool. Heh Yah.. I'm REALLY truely wanting the manual valve body.. But the one i like is from Proformance automatic.. And it has a Electric O/D.. plus a Trans Brake.. down side it's $400us.. heh I'm just trying to figure out how to would work the O/D feature.. and i think i figures it out, with a little of electronic pieces.. I like this one qoute in MM&FF describing the above Vavle body.. `....Now when i shift into third, It chirps the tires.' Mind you the guy that said that had a few mods done on his car.. But also His 1/4 miles times changed a fair amount after. From 14.5 at95MPH too 13.8 at 103MPH.. That's a fair jump just for changing Valve bodies =] KR> 1-D-1 shuffle =] overdrive> Well It's just a way of getting it into 2nd faster..and a DD> Hmmm, maybe i don't have an AOD, then. Mine goes PRND21. It's DD> a '93 Crown Vic. I think yours is a AODE, Fords electronic AOD tranny.. where as 4th is engaged Electronically.. i could be wrong =] DD> Hmmm, might be interesting to try. The thing is, under full DD> throttle, from a stop style accelleration, it sounds like DD> it's going through 1, 2, 3, -4od. Just from the sound of the DD> engine. Anyway, thanks. I'll remember this if i ever drag DD> race. :) Well Playing with the TV cable is fun.. Since it's changes the shift points, plus the shift firmness, ect.. My car i noticed That when i have it set of hardest shift, it shifted at all things at 3,000RPM when FLOORED! @4,000 at around 3/4 to 7/8 thottle.. Release the TV cable a wee bit, and the shift points moved up, but the firmness went down.. right now I have it set up so that it's not too bad.. Quick, Let easy shifts.. lot better then orginal.. where it `slide' into gears.. but i haven't found out when it shifts at Full thottle yet... Oh'yah that's one thing about fords AOD.. They do not go into 4th at full thottle.. --- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] * Origin: Value Link BBS 930-0715 (1:153/959) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2500027 Date: 02/04/98 From: MARC GERGES Time: 07:45am \/To: ALAN MORRISON (Read 0 times) Subj: 225 hp Neon? Salut Alan! MG>> I have here the February issue of Car and Driver, and it has a MG>> lovely concept car on the front page. Now the text says this car MG>> has a 225 hp engine in it, and that the engine is from a Chrysler MG>> Neon. Is there a 225 hp Neon in the US? AM> No, they always tease us with concept cars with a lot of power and AM> slick bodies. Then the crash testing causes the body to get changed, AM> and the insurance charts cause management to reduce power by 25-40%. Mmmmh... the last two american concept cars that made it into prodution were the Viper and the Prowler, right? And both these cars don't seem to be underpowered to me :-) and their styling didn't change much as well. AM> It will probably show up looking somewhat similar with 160 HP... was AM> it a V6? Not specified. It said Neon engine and drivetrain put in the back. AM> You just covered them both... A 2.0 liter SOHC 16 valve 4 with 132 AM> HP, and the optional 150 HP DOHC 16 valve version of the same. They AM> really offer a good price/performance on these, but they are getting AM> rumours of poor build quality. If it weren't for that issue I would AM> recommend it over a Saturn or Toyota. I tried one a couple of years ago and it seemed a fine car to me. But there's not that much engineering and refinement in it than in an A4 or a 3 series BMW. So to sell it for a comparable price is not really a good idea, and consequently you hardly ever see one here. cu .\\arc ... "Hello," lied the politician. --- * Origin: sympathy for the debil (2:270/47) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F2500028 Date: 02/04/98 From: MARC GERGES Time: 07:51am \/To: ALAN MORRISON (Read 0 times) Subj: Active Handling Salut Alan! MG>> [Catera - Omega] MG>>> Do you have a Catera station wagon? AM>> No, Cadillac doesn't have any wagons, just luxury sedans & AM>> coupes. MG>> For the Omega the wagon sells better than the sedan. AM> Here hatchbacks and wagons have largely been replaced with Minivans AM> and SUVs. BTW, after telling you Cadillac only makes sedans & coupes, AM> I saw an article yesterday that claims they are going to jump on the AM> SUV bandwagon. I believe it is a first for them, but after Mercedes AM> and Lexus making them, they must have decided to just go for it. The AM> article claims that this market segment tripled in sales last year! Strange people there... AM>> it's RWD. Other Caddies went FWD when it became prevalent, but AM>> the other upscale luxury marks mostly drive the rear wheels. MG>> Except for a sports car I absolutely don't see a point in making MG>> a car RWD. Cadillac has proven that a V8 car can be FWD, so there MG>> is imho no need to make it RWD. FWD has more interior room, more MG>> luggage room and is far easier to handle especially in bad MG>> weather. AM> Well beginning this year it is no longer one of the quickest luxury AM> coupes being sold here. The Mercedes, BMW, and Lexus all got more AM> power combined with a better weight bias. The nose-heavy Caddy AM> understeers a fair amount when driven hard. That's what a car should do. Show you when the limit is near. AM> If they want to keep a FWD platform for some models that's fine, but AM> the Eldorado Sport Coupes should be RWD to compete in this market. I remember a french TV comparison test a couple of year ago... the was the old Jaguar Coup, the Mercedes S coup, the BMW 840i and the Cadillac Eldorado. They found the Eldorado to be most entertaining of them all when driven hard. AM> While the packaging for FWD does open up more interior space as far AM> as foot room where the driveshaft tunnel would be, a four passenger AM> coupe can live without it. I disagree about the FWD being easier to AM> handle, except in snow, unless you are just used to driving FWD cars. Most people, at least here, are. AM> I hate the torque steer, and wheelspin on high-performance models. When wheelspin shows, you accelerated too hard. For the torque steer it shows you how much power you are applying. AM> And they often feel like they plow through turns when you rush about. AM> It is less of a problem when you have a small 4 cylinder up front, but AM> even these usually have more than 65% of the weight on the nose. That's fine if it's 60 or 65 percent. To begin with, an FWD car is inherently stable on the road, not like an RWD car. And in turns the FWD car shows always the same behaviour: if you are frightened, step of the accelerator and everything will be fine. AM> This makes the front tires handle all major forces of turning, AM> braking, and acceleration, wearing the tires more quickly. That's no point if the tires are rotated regularly from the front to the rear. I rotate them every time I change from summer to winter tires. cu .\\arc ... What does Windows NT stands for? Nervous Technicians? --- * Origin: sympathy for the debil (2:270/47)