--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1H00004 Date: 01/12/98 From: ROY J. TELLASON Time: 01:24pm \/To: RONNIE THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Battery Ronnie Thompson wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason: RJT> You guys wanna talk politics, feel free to stop by over in the RJT> 10TH_AMD echo, which I moderate. Lots of information posts from me to RJT> all:, too. It's not just about the tenth, either, but about RJT> _rights_. RT> Appreciate the offer. I do participate (heavily) in the RT> politics echo, and with that one plus this one, it doesn't RT> leave a lot of freebie time, if you know what I mean. Yep, though you're gonna miss out on all the informative posts I've been putting in there... email: roy.j.tellason%tanstaaf@frackit.com --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-432-0764 (1:270/615) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1H00005 Date: 01/12/98 From: ROY J. TELLASON Time: 01:26pm \/To: JOHN FAERBER (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation John Faerber wrote in a message to Alan Morrison: AM> Zone' and '1984' rolled into one! AM> This article really got to me, so I knew responses would be interesting. AM> I wouldn't mind if the required licensing would release the vehicle, but AM> this zero tolerance stuff will eventually combine with the confiscation JF> The answer is so simple! Law enforcement links up to the JF> insurance industry databases, when they pull up your license JF> info, here is the insurance info! It would help catch those JF> who use black market insurance cards to get around having to JF> buy insurance. JF> The card itself would be proof enough, but in the cases JF> where a card is not being carried, this would verify JF> coverage. JF> Of course, there would be the issue of how to put this into JF> effect, but those who are smarter than me could figure it JF> out, this is at least the idea, other details I have not JF> thought of would have to be resolved also. Yep. Like the fact that this invades our privacy even further, that insurance company clerks *do* screw up from time to time (I could get into some stories here but...), like this is going to be something for remote use in the cop cars and therefore accessible to others to abuse, etc. email: roy.j.tellason%tanstaaf@frackit.com --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-432-0764 (1:270/615) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1H00006 Date: 01/12/98 From: GARY HALL Time: 07:52pm \/To: CHARLES HORSEY (Read 0 times) Subj: Flasher location -=> Quoting Charles Horsey to All <=- CH> Could someone tell me where the flasher is located for the CH> turn signals on a 1988 Pontiac Sunbird? GH> It has been awhile but I think to the right of the steering wheel, under the dash. There should be a little U shaped bracket holding the thing in. I wish the manufactors would decide on a place to put them things and leave them there. ... Best wishes Gary ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Cat House BBS * Tulsa BBS List HQ * (918) 584-3441 (1:170/160) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1H00007 Date: 01/12/98 From: GARY HALL Time: 08:02pm \/To: JOHN FAERBER (Read 0 times) Subj: Injectors -=> Quoting John Faerber to Gary Hall <=- JF> What got me to asking about injectors is the fact when I start it I JF> get a rough idle until it warms up (would almost say choke if it JF> was not injected) then it seems to smooth out, though it JF> has a bit of a sight miss at times on the expressway. GH> Ok for your lesson on automotive computers, I've saw these simptoms many times. Your first step is to check the ACT air charge temp. and ECT engine coolant temp. sensors before the car is started. the voltage at each sensor should be the same on cold start up. The one with the highest voltage if different is defective. Another culprit I've saw is the TPS Throtle Position Sensor it is hard to check without a lab scope, but try using a DVOM on the center wire from closed throttle slowly open the throttle with the key on engine off should increase smoothly don't rely on the self diagnostics the 1200 baud they run at is way too slow. they only update 4 times per second. I have also saw plug wires cap and rotor cause these same problems. One more thing clean the throttle body real good. cold dry carbon deposits will act like a sponge and suck up fuel which makes for a hard start or roughness on cold start. Last but most important make sure the Ignition Timeing is correct, most of the drivablity problems I get in the shop are simply caused by slow ignitoin timeing. good luck John ... ya'll write back now hear ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Cat House BBS * Tulsa BBS List HQ * (918) 584-3441 (1:170/160) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1H00008 Date: 01/12/98 From: GARY HALL Time: 08:25pm \/To: JOHN FAERBER (Read 0 times) Subj: Injectors -=> Quoting John Faerber to Bill Reyna <=- BR> as they were very dirty and cleaning them made a BR> difference. The real problem was the fuel filter BR> located in the rear fuel line. Replaced that and my BR> problem went away. Check that if you like, but likely GH> Good idea thats kinds automatic with me so I did't think of it JF> Here is an interesting note. JF> I have run it on cheap unleaded and averaged around 20 or just JF> slightly under 20, filled it up on Mon (Jan 5th) with 93 Octane hoping JF> it might clean the injectors some, but am now getting 17.5 MPG JF> Would this be an indication that the fuel filter is plugging up worse? JF> Sure is puzzling lower mileage with higher octane gas! GH> No it isn't all the US companies have issued TSB's saying " use regular grade unleaded fuel only " General Motors says use of a high octaine fuel or octain boosters could cause loss of fuel economy, and COLD drivablity problems. ... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Cat House BBS * Tulsa BBS List HQ * (918) 584-3441 (1:170/160) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1H00009 Date: 01/12/98 From: BILL MITCHELL Time: 07:46pm \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation AM>> In CA when you buy a car, the purchaser is responsible for AM>> any lapse in registration. RJT> In _registration_?! Yes, Roy. Unlike here in Jersey and in PA where you are, the plates go with the car and California does not allow any lapse in registration. He may not know that here plates remain with the owner, and that we have always been allowed to own unregistered vehicles, we just weren't supposed to drive them. Their registrations are also VERY expensive compared to ours, here mine costs $41 a year, any year even the first year, for my Cherokee. There is a surcharge for special plates, but that's only $15, so it winds up as $56. I remember when my brother was in Alameda for four years in Uncle Sams Misguided Children, and as such could keep his NJ regs for the car and the bike I found out about this. Comparitively we don't have a problem, know what I mean? RJT> I have this truck I'm building, been working on it quite a RJT> while, now and then as time and finances permit, and I see RJT> no point whatsoever, since it has no engine in it at the RJT> present time and half the body apart in the bed, of RJT> registering it just for the privilege of me also having to RJT> pay insurance on it. What's the point? California would require it, as I understand it. They don't allow a lapse in registration. --- * Origin: The Right Place, Fort Lee, NJ USA(201)947-8231 (1:2604/539.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1H00010 Date: 01/12/98 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 06:51pm \/To: JOHN FAERBER (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation JF> AM> Zone' and '1984' rolled into one! JF> AM> This article really got to me, so I knew responses would be interesting JF> AM> I wouldn't mind if the required licensing would release the vehicle, bu JF> AM> this zero tolerance stuff will eventually combine with the confiscation JF>The answer is so simple! Law enforcement links up to the insurance ndustry JF>bases, when they pull up your license info, here is the insurance info! JF>It would help catch those who use black market insurance cards to get around JF>ing to buy insurance. JF>The card itself would be proof enough, but in the cases where a card is ot JF>g carried, this would verify coverage. I see greast dificulties here. Not that I am against it however. There must be hundreds of insurance cos doing business here in texas. WHICH insurance co. data base isto be queried? Especially when one changes ins cos. JF>Of course, there would be the issue of how to put this into effect, but thos JF>o are smarter than me could figure it out, this is at least the idea, othe JF>tails I have not thought of would have to be resolved also. JF>--- Maximus/2 3.01 JF> * Origin: * MacSavvy OS/2 BBS * Dallas, Texas * 972-250-4479 * (1:124/1208) * OLX 2.1 TD * The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom. --Blake --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1H00011 Date: 01/13/98 From: JOHN FAERBER Time: 01:31am \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation JF> thought of would have to be resolved also. RJT> Yep. Like the fact that this invades our privacy even RJT> further, that insurance company clerks *do* screw up RJT> from time to time (I could get into some stories here RJT> but...), like this is going to be something for RJT> remote use in the cop cars and therefore accessible to RJT> others to abuse, etc. Of course, this was one possible solution, there is a better solution out there somewhere, did not think about the points you broguht up. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: * MacSavvy OS/2 BBS * Dallas, Texas * 972-250-4479 * (1:124/1208) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1H00012 Date: 01/13/98 From: JOHN FAERBER Time: 01:33am \/To: GARY HALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Injectors JF> get a rough idle until it warms up (would almost say choke if it JF> was not injected) then it seems to smooth out, though it JF> has a bit of a sight miss at times on the expressway. GH> Another culprit I've saw is the TPS Throtle Position Sensor it is GH> hard to check without a lab scope, but try using a DVOM on the GH> center wire from closed throttle slowly open the throttle with GH> the key on engine off should increase smoothly don't rely on the GH> self diagnostics the 1200 baud they run at is way too slow. I might have found it, would you tell me if this might be it? The Service Soon light comes on for around 30 seconds and then goes off. Ran the error codes, and it comes up E13 something about oxygen sensor not ready? What would be the symptoms of a bad O2 sensor? $27 at the parts store,how difficult is it for a do-it-yourselfer to replace? Good idea to do the TPS also? --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: * MacSavvy OS/2 BBS * Dallas, Texas * 972-250-4479 * (1:124/1208) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1H00013 Date: 01/13/98 From: JOHN FAERBER Time: 01:38am \/To: BILL MITCHELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Confiscation BM> with the owner, and that we have always been allowed to BM> own unregistered vehicles, we just weren't supposed to BM> drive them. Their registrations are also VERY expensive BM> compared to ours, here mine costs $41 a year, any year Here it is $52 a year, if you buy a car which the registration expired on, the purchaser is only responsible to bring it up to date. (plates expired June '97, car is purchased Jan 98, buyer only pays for 6 months to bring it current until June 98) BM> Yes, Roy. Unlike here in Jersey and in PA where you are, the plates go BM> with the car and California does not allow any lapse in BM> registration. He may not know that here plates remain Same here, the plates stay with the car, but in Illinois, the plates stay with seller. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: * MacSavvy OS/2 BBS * Dallas, Texas * 972-250-4479 * (1:124/1208)