--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1400059 Date: 01/02/98 From: MARC GERGES Time: 11:35pm \/To: SEAN DUNBAR (Read 0 times) Subj: REVERSE QUESTION Salut Sean! BM> location even though the service brakes passed. While that might BM> have been extreme, it was within his discression to do so. These MG> things are here decided upon the general condition of the car and MG> the credibility of the owner: if you're a car nut and your car is MG> basically in good condition and you promise to fix it right the next SD> About a month ago my stepdad took his truck in to get the yearly SD> safety inspection done... it failed, simply because the brake SD> pedal was mushy. (a day later the BRAKE and REAR ABS lights came on SD> though... it needed a new master cylinder.. 200k miles will do SD> that) Now that's what I call a really good inspector! MG> day, they'll let you drive. If on the other hand your car made the MG> trip to the control center without falling in parts by pure luck, it SD> Sounds like my stepdad's truck ;) It's not very old (1992 Ford SD> F-150), but it has 200,000 miles on it! My 1980 has 159,000 or so SD> on it.. I honestly think my '80 is in better shape (Though when he SD> got the 92, it was the other way around, he just doesn't maintain SD> it) And it makes 200.000 without maintenance? He doesn't drive it very hard, does he? BM> emergency, they must be able to stop a vehicle. In the last days i MG> played around with the parking brake a little bit to test it, and MG> although mine (discs at the front) is far better than the one of my SD> Heh. I HAD to use my parking brake to stop my truck once (it's SD> about 4300 pounds empty, and I tip the scales at about 130 pounds SD> myself.. so figure 4500 with fuel). Sorry, I have absolutely no idea what one of your pounds means in kg. Not found a conversion table with that yet, so I can't really tax the weight. SD> Master cylinder had gone out. Heh? On both chambers? Whoa... didn't think that's possible. SD> It STOPPED.. just took awhile. But if you had to keep the safety distance to the car in front of you according to that distance, you probably wouldn't see him ;-) The point is that people should in no way rely on their parking brakes to stop them - they will but it's not what one calls braking, it's merely loosing inertia. If the road's free, fine. But to prevent an accident, rely on whatever, but not them. In an emergency when you find your brakes don't work, think about changing the lane, getting the car into a slide, look for a nice object to crash into, do everything except going on and pulling your hand brake believing it will get you out of the trouble. cu .\\arc ...Assembler Command: BCPL: Beats Cobol Programming Language --- * Origin: sympathy for the debil (2:270/47) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1400060 Date: 01/02/98 From: MARC GERGES Time: 11:23pm \/To: CHARLES BOWMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Vector Auto Salut Charles! MG> Attention: at Nuerburgring there is the so called 'GP circuit' and MG> the famous 'Nordschleife', 14 miles long and a real test for car MG> and driver. If you make that under ten minutes, be proud of MG> yourself... CB> Nice track for sure, though I was never there for a race. Unfortunately most races, especially formula 1 are driven on the small GP circuit. Those F1 whimps don't dare to drive on the big one... :-( CB> I remember Rock am Ring on some hotter than normal summer days. :) :-) CB> One of the few times I actually managed to pick up a sun burn over CB> there. That's one of the factors making races interesting there: on place on the ring can be nice, hot and dry and two kilometers later there's rain, or even fog. MG> That's what here in europe is normally associated with the term MG> 'dragster'. Long, skinny tires at the front, huge ones at the rear, MG> an engine and a driver inbetween... :) AM> Yes this is a dragster; It used to be called 'Top Fuel Dragster'. AM> The driver was moved in front of the engine by Don Garlits, who AM> noted that exhaust flames and clutch explosions weren't something AM> you wanted in front of you. MG> That's a point :) CB> Not to mention the driver used to have his jewels planted right CB> over the rear end, they didn't blow real often but when they did CB> I'm told it was rather spectacular. Sounds like a hot sport, definitely :-) AM> Don Garlits was instrumental in the success of drag racing here AM> since the 1950's, always preferring the Chrysler Hemi design which AM> has not been dethroned by even OHC 4 valve setups. MG> Did anybody on these machines experiment with 4 or more driven MG> wheels instead of two? CB> "TV" Tommy Ivo had a 4WD (and 4 engines if memory serves) dragster, CB> Buick powered I believe. I think it was even in one of of those CB> bikini beach movies in the 60's. And, how did it perform? AM> to see a Top Fuel drag race in person, GO. The power of these AM> behemoths shake the ground and quicken your pulse. The power is AM> currently estimated (calculated) to be in the neighborhood of 6,000 AM> horsepower. That's about 733 horsepower per liter... MG> Sounds interesting to check it out when I have the possibility to... MG> but I have to admit I prefer it when cars not only have the power to MG> go as fast as possible straight ahead, but are also able to drive MG> round curves. CB> Different type of racing to be sure but you really need to spend a CB> day breathing nitromethane and feeling the earth shake to get the CB> true experience. Hey, everybody tells me to do, but no one gives me a ticket for a hop over the ocean, so that I can check out :-) MG> That's why I wonder if there are no cars with 4WD or the like. Or MG> completely different approaches, maybe jet engines... if the goal MG> is nothing but best acceleration, two big wheels can't be MG> everything... CB> In the 1/4 mile the piston engine is still king, there are jet cars CB> but they are more of a novelty. Mmmmh... the advantage in a Jet engine is to me the fact it's simply an actio-reactio relation of acceleration. With wheel driven cars, there is a limit for the power that can be transmitted. Is it allowed to break the cars before start? I imagine a really big jet engine that needs a couple of seconds to achieve full thrust doesn't do a good job when just accelerating from a stand still, but braking the car for a few seconds to get it to maximum thrust should help a little bit :-) cu .\\arc ...Cats are excellent at domesticating people... --- * Origin: sympathy for the debil (2:270/47) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1400061 Date: 01/03/98 From: JOHN RANGER Time: 02:58pm \/To: JAY EMRIE (Read 0 times) Subj: ....ooooh the fun of dis CUSSING! JAY EMRIE wrote in a message to JOHN RANGER: JR>How does this matter? JE> How? Well, that's elementary. If 18V is NOT likely to be available, JE> it matters considerably. Jay... I didnt ask about the source...I asked about the likly possibility of using such a voltage. JR>I will give you 1 point for latteral thinking. -2 for receiting just about t JE> What the heck is latteral???? What is receiting???? JR>hole letter. JE> You get -1 points for logic, -2 points for spelling. I reckon my -1 JE> is better than your -3. You do? ( slaphandsandgrin ) Well, my friend You take the prize because even when I have been banned, I have not found someone to be iritating for doing so. I can argue a point to death if it merits doing so, but unless I am going out of my way to tic someone off becuase of plain outward rudeness and stupidity, I try to stay within the merits of the discussion. and NEVER do the following.. I asked about using Higher voltage. ok. Where the voltage comes from is source for another discussion. DONT even think that offshot discussions dont happen, You KNOW they do! If someone were to provide me "WITH" the answer and was a person that like me types so fast that their spelling is a little bit hacked, or Botched, or just a complete and total mess...I would indeed be a ingrate to thank them and then say...by the way,....you're spelling sucks republican Dung. If I knew them well enough, I would maybe throw a poke and because of my fast typing, I get pleanty. If my arguments are not sound and I get challanged, I will even at the point of seeing my blood presure rise, > "SWALLOW" my pride for a second, maybe a few days and listen to what is being said... I'm Italian. Lemme tell you how easy that is.....NOT! Where The 18 Vdc comes from WAS NOT the question. What would happen to the grid and thou I didnt origionally ask, The glass also, was the question. You answer is in the next letter after this. *********************** John aka RANGER *************************** > Quit Crying! Stand up and Be a MAN, Like Elenor Rosevelt! * Origin: Fight AIDS, Not PEOPLE with AIDS....KBC-BBS (1:260/310.4) --- Squish v1.10 * Origin: -=:[ KBC Point 4 ]:=- (1:260/310.4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1400062 Date: 01/03/98 From: JOHN RANGER Time: 03:05pm \/To: RONNIE THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: ....walkin 'round IN WOME Ronnie Thompson wrote in a message to John Ranger: ML> Perhaps it's not really supposed ML> to be a de-icer, though it does a very nice job of that on my car. RT> If memory serves me, in the owners manual on more than one vehicle, RT> it has said specifically to NOT use the defroster as a defogger. RT> Don't know why. I use it for that more than I use it for defrosting RT> the back window, but going by what the book says, it shouldn't be RT> used as a defogger. RT> Ronnie in NC Ronnie, I hope the weather down in the Carolinas is better suited to that than here. Syracuse New york received up to 4" per hour the first day of the storm that passed thru here. The last total was 34" The only worry I didnt have with my car was that the engine was going to be so cold that it would not turn over but finding the car. I seized an engine once and never forgot that because it cost me and my family months of $$$, pain and problems all to learn how to treat a car in the cold of winter. The people in colder parts of the country, Alaska and canada use 120Vdc powered Block heaters and battery chargers directly installed with plugs at the many places they stop at including churces, gas stations, supermartkets and so on. I know one parking lot here in Syracuse that has installed individual Electric oulets for the tenants and they are happy as can be. Their cars are somewhat expensive but they are parked safely and can use this power if needed. I guess this makes one question and answers another... What would happen if a small ceramic heater were placed in the car to keep it warm if it had to be someplace where it just couldn't be moved out of the y? Would there be any fumes that could ignite? Any thing that would get so hot that keeping the inside at say 70-8- degress would case problems? This also answers a rather side ways thinking question...( but good one) WHERE is the power to come from? *********************** John aka RANGER *************************** > MEAN People Suck.....Nice people Swallow! * Origin: Fight AIDS, not PEOPLE with AIDS....KBC-BBS (1:260/310.4) --- Squish v1.10 * Origin: -=:[ KBC Point 4 ]:=- (1:260/310.4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1400063 Date: 01/01/98 From: JOHN PUMMILL Time: 04:32pm \/To: MARK LOGSDON (Read 0 times) Subj: Hotrod ML> JP> My Grandfather was into HAM until a few years ago. MARS, Tower ML> JP> Hill, Illinios) Gentleman named John Smith Pummill. ML> Was he WA9TQQ of Shelbyville? I have no idea. He got out of it a couple of years ago. Yes, he was just out of Sheblyville, that would have been his closest town. --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Running from the Klan in the Fiero (1:123/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1400064 Date: 01/03/98 From: MARK LOGSDON Time: 12:08pm \/To: ALAN MORRISON (Read 0 times) Subj: Active Handling AM> Is there a GM assy. plant in Indpls, IN? The C5's are assembled in AM> Kentucky and I believe they still install magnesium wheels on the AM> export models. In Indy there are plants for metal fabrication, transmissions, and a gas turbine plant that was formerly GM. Delco has a "skunk works" in Indy. Within 40 miles or less, is Delco Electronics in Kokomo and Delco-Remy in Anderson. Indiana supposedly has more auto-related plants than Michigan. AM> The reason seemed to me it could be demand exceeding supply and action AM> taken to not have delayed or lost sales. But maybe you know something AM> that we don't. No, I don't know something I'm telling you, and I'm sure your first sentence is correct. I'm questioning the root cause and not simply the effect. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0232 * Origin: IBMNet Connection - Indpls, IN - 317-882-5575 28.8 USR (1:231/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1400065 Date: 01/03/98 From: MARK LOGSDON Time: 06:13pm \/To: ROY WITT (Read 0 times) Subj: '91 Mk VII RW> I've been saying that manufacturing or design engineers should work in RW> machine shops too... Here is what happens at many (but not all) companies. The best engineers are promoted into management where their technical talents and expertise are wasted by preparing budgets and schedules. The newer engineers, many of whom have been out of college only a few years, are the ones doing the design work. Then you throw in the early retirements and layoffs of experienced (i.e., older and higher paid) engineers, you have lots of knowledge that is lost. So, yes, you can sure blame the engineers, but I believe you have to blame the management and pencil pushers too. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0232 * Origin: IBMNet Connection - Indpls, IN - 317-882-5575 28.8 USR (1:231/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1400066 Date: 01/03/98 From: MARK LOGSDON Time: 06:13pm \/To: ALAN MORRISON (Read 0 times) Subj: Active Handling YY> No, I don't know something I'm telling you, and I'm sure your first YY> sentence is correct. I'm questioning the root cause and not simply YY> the effect. What I meant to say was, "No, I don't know something I'm NOT telling you...." Sorry for the confusion. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0232 * Origin: IBMNet Connection - Indpls, IN - 317-882-5575 28.8 USR (1:231/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1400067 Date: 01/03/98 From: C.A. KLINGEL Time: 12:58pm \/To: MARC GERGES (Read 0 times) Subj: Forced Induction -=> Quoting Marc Gerges to C.A. Klingel <=- Salut Marc! MG> As mentioned in other mails, I don't drive an Eclipse. That's what I get for jumping in the middle of a thread. Sorry. What do you drive? MG> Maybe... but it's really not my favourite occupation to hang around MG> with guys and burn clutches and tires :-) You can bring the ladies with you too, if that would help make it more attractive. We won't complain. MG> You see, apart from my car probably not being really appropriate to MG> that style of driving, it now has covered 90.000 miles on it's first MG> engine, clutch, transmission and drive shafts, and I'd like it to stay MG> like that for at least another 90.000 miles. You are wise. Your car is not going to make another 90,000 miles (kilometers?) if you start beating on it. Well...it will, but you will have to buy lots of parts as go. ;-) MG> Mmmmh... I don't think I'd find a drag strip anywhere in a 500 mile MG> radius here :-) Do they "Street Race" in Germany? Regards, Craig Klingel ... Hotel Michigan: You Can Logoff, But You Can Never Leave. --- Brought To You By VaporWare 3.0 * Origin: Winner's Circle (1:2410/351) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1400068 Date: 01/03/98 From: C.A. KLINGEL Time: 01:07pm \/To: DAVID WEI (Read 0 times) Subj: FORD 302 VS SBC 305 -=> Quoting David Wei to C.A. Klingel <=- DW> I assume you have seen Ford Super Stallion (man, they are stealing DW> names from Sirvosky's choppers... :) ), it uses 5.4L engine, SLA front DW> suspension, and a whole lot of other goodies... :) I'd assume that if DW> they gonna make a Cobra R, this will be the one to model after, DW> especially when the Ethanol blended gass (or gas blended Ethanol, in DW> case of the E85, containing 85% Ethanol... :) More of a gas flavored DW> Ethanol, than Ethanol tainted gas... :) )... Did you see the mention of the R-Car in one of the latest Car Craft Straight-Scoop rumor columns? They said '99 (no shit..it's a little late for a '98) and it's not going to have all of the luxury fittings. Seems very few were actually ran in competition, so why bother stripping them? More grist for the rumor mill.... BTW...I didn't like the Super Stallion's paint job (even if Shinoda did it). They could have done better. DW> Me? I prefer to stay alive forever... :) Sounds like a good idea, but the follow through is a little tougher to do. Regards, Craig Klingel ... 64,999,964 firearm owners killed no one yesterday.. --- Brought To You By VaporWare 3.0 * Origin: Winner's Circle (1:2410/351)