--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1200000 Date: 01/01/98 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 09:38am \/To: MARK LOGSDON (Read 0 times) Subj: ....walkin 'round IN WOME ML>JE> JR>These Defrost grids use 12Vdc....is that as much as they can andle? ML>JE> ML>JE> JR>Would they not Kick a little bit faster in if they started at lets ML>JE> say, 18 v ML>JE> ML>JE> Where do you think you would get the 18V from???? ML>Now that's a good question. I already commented on the thermal ML>gradient issue, but I thought I'd make another comment. ML>If more heat is desired, then it could be produced with just 12 ML>volts. Simply reduce the resistance of the "defrost grids." This ML>could be done by adding more conductive paths in parallel. In other ML>words, if P=V*V/R, then reduce the value of R to increase the power. ML>Of course that also increases the current. But his question WAS "is 12V as much as they can handle..... Would they kick in a little faster at say 18V?". Simple laws of physics confirm that adding more heating elements (of the same voltage rating) would increase heating (assuming added current was available). * OLX 2.1 TD * Only fools and Yankees predict the weather in Texas! --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1200001 Date: 01/01/98 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 09:44am \/To: PAT BREEDEN (Read 0 times) Subj: 12V bulbs/6V system PB>Captain's Log: StarDate=>>> (Wednesday) December 31, 1997 12:58pm PB>Is it ok to use 12v bulbs in a 6v system for the stop lights and tail lights PB>a 49 chevy truck? I need to put on some of those generic type stop lights a PB>ail lights and I'm wondering if you actually have to get 6v bulbs for hem, PB>an you just use the 12v bulbs that will already be in them. I hooked one up PB>the 6v battery and it seems to work ok, but I was wondering if I should et PB>ulbs? Thanks, in advance. Sure, it's OK -- IF you will be satisfied with the greatly reduced light output. Some states have a minimum lumen requirement for vehicle lamps. For below, I'd quit right now while still way ahead! PB>While I'm here, I have a 1981 Datsun King Cab 4x4 truck. I originally aid PB>0.00 for it in 1989 and it ran perfectly for about 6 years, with only the al PB>ator and the water pump going out in all that period, so I can't complain ab PB>the old rice-burning work horse. But, now it is rusted out fairly bad (or s PB>d I say really bad), with the floorboards rusted clear through and patched u PB>th galvanized roof flashing and the bed of the truck is rusted through on th PB>des in several places. The gas tank also is rusted out and you can only fil PB> up 1/2 way or gas will leak out. The head gasket is apparently blown becau PB>t has a cooling system problem and it overheats badly and water comes out th PB>haust. I was still driving it in that condition and then the clutch went ou PB>l of a sudden. The transmission, transfer case, and rear end are still good PB> I was just wondering if anybody could suggest a reasonable price to sell it PB> as a parts car? I was thinking maybe $400 or $500, but I don't really know PB>There is a possibility, however remote, that I might fix it up, but it's pro PB>y not worth it considering all of the rust. I really did like the truck, si PB>it was perfect for my needs driving around on mountain roads getting firewoo PB>It would turn around on a lot of dead end roads a lot more easily than a ful PB>zed truck can and because it was so small and light it was actually better a PB>4ing than the full-sized trucks too. I will probably just sell it though an PB>x up the old 49 chev truck that I have. The 49 will be more of an investmen PB>d any money put into it would be returnable, whereas fixing up the Datsun wo PB>just be yet another money pit. The 49 wouldn't have 4x4 drive, but it would PB>k just fine driving around in the summer time and I have another front wheel PB>ve car to use for getting around in the snow anyways. Maybe I should just b PB> horse, I don't know? :-) If the Datsun were a horse I'd probably just have PB>shoot it in the head until it quit kicking to put it out of it's misery at t PB>point I suppose? ;-) PB>...Pat PB>... If your horse can count higher than you, you may be a Redneck. PB>--- PB> * TLX v4.10 * PB>--- PB> * Origin: WireHaired Terrier BBS (509)465-9525 FidoNet Node (1:346/5) * OLX 2.1 TD * Forgive your enemies but never forget their names. --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1200002 Date: 01/01/98 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 10:01am \/To: MARK LOGSDON (Read 0 times) Subj: 1994 Ply Battery Drain ML>JE> Hmmm. Yes, a bad diode probably would discharge the battery. Worth ML>JE> thinking about, except I have NEVER heard of a diode going bad ML>JE> INTERMITTENTLY. We will have to study that a bit. Thanks. ML>A diode could be leaky, but I'm sure you know that. Yep! It would have to be intermittent though - or else it would show up on my current measurements wouldn't it? ML>The only other comment I'll make is that it sounds like you've got ML>an intermittent short circuit somewhere, but I'm sure you've ML>suspected that too. ML>No, there is one more comment. Maybe "Pappy" isn't telling you ML>everything. Maybe he's run that "new" battery down dead a few times No maybe to it. He absolutely can't remember EVERYTHING! Nope, he has NOT run the battery down a few times. He is totally lost and helpless when it does go dead and calls on John or I for help. ML>already and it just isn't holding a good charge anymore. Could that ML>be possible? Maybe you're chasing an intermittent short circuit ML>that just ain't there. Doesn't seem to be losing a charge since the incident (several days now) - Yes, I am afraid we are truly chasing an intermittent SOMETHING! Thanks for the reply. * OLX 2.1 TD * Please Tell Me if you Don't Get This Message --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1200003 Date: 01/01/98 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 11:35am \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: 1994 Ply Battery Drain RJT>JAY EMRIE wrote in a message to ALL: RJT> JE> Well, My brother John's Father-in-law "Pappy" has had a RJT> JE> recurrence of an old problem. They left the car sit for 4 days RJT> JE> over Christmas while they made a trip to Dallas in John's motor RJT> JE> home to visit John's grandkids. RJT> JE> The morning after they got back the 1994 Plymouth 3.0 V6 RJT> JE> Caravan's battery was DEAD. Now Pappy is getting very senile, RJT> JE> not remembering, not remembering correctly, getting very RJT> JE> confused, etc. He called John when the van wouldn't start the RJT> JE> morning after they returned. John could find NOTHING left on. RJT> JE> We have no way of knowing whether Pappy turned anything off in RJT> JE> trying to start the van or not. He tends to start turning, RJT> JE> moving switches when something like this befuddles him. Makes RJT> JE> diagnosis difficult. RJT>I can just picture this, having had some experiences with similar behavior RJT> JE> Anyhow, John charged the battery (only 4 months old) up enough RJT> JE> to start the Van, then they took a LONG drive to charge the RJT> JE> battery up. It was up to 13.3 V when I went over yesterday RJT> JE> (still needed a bit more charging). RJT>When was this voltage measured? While running? Right after it was shut of RJT>ter it'd been sitting for a while? Motor shut off AND after surface charge removed. RJT> JE> I measured the current drain and found 32.5 ma draw with RJT> JE> everything off we could think of. Opened the driver's door and RJT> JE> the drain went up to 75 ma. This vehicle has a switch that RJT> JE> turns the dome light OFF so that it does not come on when the RJT> JE> door is opened so the dome light wasn't the cause of the RJT> JE> increased drain. The door switch is activating SOMETHING, but RJT> JE> what we haven't figured out. RJT>Does it have one of those noisemakers that goes active when you leave the k RJT> and open the door? Hmmmm? I do not know, but will check. RJT> JE> Complicating things even more. With the door shut, every RJT> JE> once in a while (3-5 minutes of so) the current would have a RJT> JE> quick surge (I use a digital meter) to an indeterminate amount RJT> JE> (but less than 200 ma - my meter limit or the fuse would blow). RJT> JE> I suspicion that is the clock built into the radio, but do not RJT> JE> understand why it could be. RJT>Could be computer stuff, too. What computer stuff INSIDE the car? RJT> JE> There is a fuse under the hood that the owner's manual says to RJT> JE> pull for longer term vehicle non use. One would thing that this RJT> JE> would isolate all current drain. With that fuse pulled the RJT> JE> battery drain drops to less than 2 ma. Pulling ALL of the fuses RJT> JE> AND relays in the engine compartment one at a time till ALL are RJT> JE> out does not eliminate this 2 ma drain. RJT>Still sounds like computer stuff here. RJT> JE> Summary: RJT> JE> 1. .075 A over say 100-112 hours (4+ days) is only 7.5 to 8.4 RJT> JE> Amp hours, hardly enough to drain the battery as dead as it RJT> JE> was. RJT>Yep. *IF* that was the only drain, and *IF* that battery is okay. RJT> JE> 2. Something is drawing 2 ma with ALL fuses and relays in the RJT> JE> under hood fuse panel pulled (presumably this totally isolates RJT> JE> the van interior and everything else for that matter). RJT> JE> 3. Something is drawing 32.5 ma with apparantly nothing on. RJT> JE> 4. When the driver's door is opened, something increases the RJT> JE> drain to 75 ma. RJT>Pull the battery terminal if you want to be sure! RJT> JE> 5. Worse yet, something is SOMETIMES completely draining the RJT> JE> battery in about 4 days. RJT> JE> 6. Worst yet, as this has happened before (one reason for the RJT> JE> recent battery replacement) it is a very intermittently RJT> JE> recurring happening and very disturbing to an 84 year old man, RJT> JE> and very puzzling to two other younger old men. RJT> JE> Not having a wiring diargram we are somewhat asea. Tracing all RJT> JE> the internal wiring is an impossibility. RJT> JE> I've fussed at John repeatedly for not buying the Factory shop RJT> JE> manuals, but he is too tight - says Pappy bought the extended RJT> JE> warranty, and that should have taken care of it. Famous last RJT> JE> words! RJT> JE> Any CONCRETE suggestions would be appreciated. RJT>You said that the battery had been replaced recently (months?). I've en About 4 months if I remember correctly. RJT>ber of instances where a vehicle (particularly those!) had a battery put in RJT> dealer that was somewhat less than what was called for. The Caravans that RJT>n remember mostly wanted 500 or so CCA, and I usually stuck a 525 in there RJT>remember seeing some dealer replacements where they put a 400 CCA battery i RJT>re. I'd check a BCI book if possible to see what that particular vehicle c RJT>for, if you get the chance. Largest battery that physically fit was used as replacement. Both my brother and I have long been advocates of using the biggest battery possible. RJT>The other thing is, from about the mid-eighties onward Chrysler put a grou RJT>battery in just about everything. I guess they got some cost benefits by g RJT>with only one size. When we had to replace one of these in a van, ickup, RJT>hose minivans, we'd stick a group _24_ in there. Same sorts of CCA rating RJT>ut they were just a little taller, a bit less than an inch. And a whole l RJT>re reliable. The only time this was a problem was when the 24s they sent u RJT> the posts along the center line of the battery (what they called a 24T") RJT>me years the wires wouldn't quite reach without undoing some wire ties nd RJT> and some wouldn't reach at all. RJT>Finally, there was one situation I remember where they said that the vehic RJT>uldn't start, and I ended up going over there with a battery and cables an RJT>h to try and get them to the store, and it started right off. Their ear RJT>w wiper and washer also started running, and they couldn't turn it off. S RJT>ort of weird electrical system problem, and I guess they had to get that f RJT> Was his back window especially clean? :-) Anyhow, you may be looking a RJT>intermittent electrical problem like that of some sort. That's part of the problem. We can NOT find ANYTHING on when a charged battery is put in the vehicle. No rear window wiper, deicer/defroster installed. Thanks for the reply. * OLX 2.1 TD * Blessings never come in pairs; misfortunes never alone. --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1200004 Date: 01/01/98 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 11:36am \/To: GARY HALL (Read 0 times) Subj: 1994 Ply Battery Drain GH> -=> Quoting Jay Emrie to All <=- GH> JE> I measured the current drain and found 32.5 ma draw with GH> JE> everything off we could think of. GH> GH> Very much in specs GH> JE> The door switch is activating SOMETHING, but what we haven't GH> figured out. GH> GH> The BCU controlls the interior lights on the Chrysler mini vans BCU?? GH> JE> Complicating things even more. With the door shut, every once in a GH> JE> while (3-5 minutes of so) the current would have a quick surge GH> GH> Again the BCU controlls lots of stuff With ALL interior and exterior fuses pulled except for the ONE fuse that feeds the interior (the one the manual says pull for longer term storage)? Including the radio fuse. GH> JE> built into the radio, but do not understand why it could be. GH> GH> couldnt its digital like a watch can go for years on a AAA cell Sure should. GH> JE> There is a fuse under the hood that the owner's manual says to pull GH> JE> for longer term vehicle non use. One would thing that this would GH> JE> isolate all current drain. GH> GH> They are keep alive memory in many modules, the clock, radio, BCM GH> (body control module) SMEC (single module engine controler) TCM, GH> (Transmission control module) Even the Guages have their own little GH> computer to make them work. Which is why we pulled all the fuses from the fuse block under the dash. GH> Now for the Chrysler brainstorm GH> Why not link all these computers togeather one giant network all GH> depending on each other to work? GH> If the transmision computer fails in one area then it can use the GH> IP computer to shift the trannie but the guages wont work. GH> Get the picture if you dont have test equiptment to access the GH> many computers leave it alone and take it to someone you can GH> trust that has the equiptment. From past experience GH> One more thing just because a battery is 4 mos. old GH> dont mean it's good. True, but it seem to be holding a charge now. Thanks for the reply. GH> Gary Generic Hall GH> The Generic Redneck GH> Automotive Computer System Technician GH> Former Instructor Snap on Tools GH> Terlton Oklahoma USA Earth Milkyway GH>... She aint' ma cuzin shes ma Dads brothers girl GH>___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] GH>--- Maximus 2.02 GH> * Origin: Cat House BBS * Tulsa BBS List HQ * (918) 584-3441 (1:170/160) * OLX 2.1 TD * He comes from royalty - Traced him back to King Kong. --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1200005 Date: 01/01/98 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 11:38am \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Battery sizes RJT>JAY EMRIE wrote in a message to ROY J. TELLASON: RJT>RJT>Jack Nelson wrote in a message to Roy Witt: RJT>RJT>RW> If you clean those connectors where they've been soldered and hen RJT>RJT>RW> coat with something like nail polish, they won't oxidize as fast RJT>RJT>RW> as if they were left uncleaned and left to the elements. RJT>RJT> JN> Even better would be to coat them with grease or an electronics RJT>RJT> JN> contact cleaner/protectant because their surface won't break RJT>RJT> JN> and let in air, and they can be applied to the battery posts RJT>RJT> JN> and terminals before assembly. RJT>RJT>No! RJT>RJT>You wanna apply that stuff, or any other anticorrosion stuff, *AFTER* RJT>RJT>you the connection. You don't want grease or whatever in RJT>RJT>between two surfaces are supposed to be making a connection to RJT>RJT>each other, you want a nice clean metal-to-metal connection RJT>RJT>there... RJT> JE> In the case of silicone grease, for it to be effective it MUST RJT> JE> be applied to CLEAN battery posts and cables BEFORE they are RJT> JE> connected. RJT>Well, I won't do it that way... Roy, that is your privilege. However it has been working to perfection for me since 1960. Since using silicone grease I have far far less battery cable/post corrision problems that I did before. I clean every thing, then I put a coating of silicone ALL over the cable end connector AND the battery post. Does wonders. Suggestion: Bite the bullet and try it just once. You'll like it. RJT> JE> Then when being connected and TIGHTENED the silicone grease is RJT> JE> easily forced from between the terminal and post allowing a RJT> JE> positive electrical connection but still preventing the air RJT> JE> (oxygen) from getting to the metals thus prevents corrosion. RJT> JE> Believe me, IT WORKS EXACTLY LIKE THAT. RJT>Only if you're dealing with real flat surfaces in both the terminal and the Nope, that is not so. Silicone grease will NOT impair electrical connection regardless of the type of surface. * OLX 2.1 TD * If you don't know what he's thinking, youre not listening --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1200006 Date: 01/01/98 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 10:55am \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Electrical loads, battery RJT>JAY EMRIE wrote in a message to ROY J. TELLASON: RJT>RJT> JE> Also, I have a 550 CCA @ 0 degrees battery/750 CCA at 32 RJT>RJT> JE> degrees. RJT>RJT>That second number might be "CA", but it _ain't_ CCA, which by RJT>RJT>definition RJT>RJT>t zero degrees. RJT> JE> I do NOT know anything except right on the battery it says RJT> JE> "550CCA @ 0 degrees, 750 CCA @ 32 degrees". RJT>Then that battery is marked in a misleading fashion. What brand was that a I never mentioned the brand, but it is a Champion. Doesn't really seem misleading to me, even if not comforming to normal protocol. Stands to reason that CCA would be less at 0 Degrees than at 32 degrees. Besides, either 0 or 32 degrees is COLD to us down here! VBG * OLX 2.1 TD * I feel like a million dollars - all in wooden nickles! --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1200007 Date: 01/01/98 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 11:13am \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Engine Wanted RJT>JAY EMRIE wrote in a message to ROY J. TELLASON: RJT>RJT>So if I advance the timing to just this side of ping, I oughta be able RJT>RJT>ome more power out of it? Or are you saying that I'd also need a RJT>RJT>different RJT>RJT>for it, too? RJT>(Doncha just hate software that truncates stuff?) RJT> JE> Roy, it depends upon exactly what you are talking about. RJT>I'm just looking to get some more performance out of that motor without get RJT>into absurdly poor gas economy, though I don't expect great mileage with a RJT>k in any case... RJT> JE> For example, to try to "reduce emissions" Ford and most others, RJT> JE> detuned their engines in the later 70s by retarding the cam RJT> JE> timing (by placing the cam drive gear in a retarded position on RJT> JE> the camshaft)- read that "valve timing". Naturally this RJT> JE> retarded the ignition timing, since the dist. is driven off the RJT> JE> camshaft. Yes, to a very limited degree, you could derive some RJT> JE> small benefit from advancing the distributer timing, but until RJT> JE> you actually advanced the cam timing also the benefit was very RJT> JE> little. Ford did NOT detune their 460s used in police vehicles RJT> JE> so the best solution was to replace the cam with a police cam. RJT> JE> This restored the original advanced cam (valve timing) AND RJT> JE> distributer timing with a rather healthy power increase. RJT> JE> Another method that was used was with an offset key in the cam RJT> JE> gear to camshaft. RJT> JE> Am I making sense now? RJT>Yep, it makes sense. RJT>I guess I gotta start shopping the camshaft market, once I get this hing RJT>d running. Word of warning. Stock cam shafts are now probably limited to non police models (retarded timing), since there probably aren't any police vehicles left of the era we are talking about( market driven- no demand, no production). I have no idea what is available from the speed shops. * OLX 2.1 TD * Any ancestors you can dig up would be appreciated. --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1200008 Date: 01/01/98 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 11:08am \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Radiator Leak RJT>JAY EMRIE wrote in a message to ROY WITT: RJT>RW> RW>> No, but they do give you a 1-800 number to call so you can get RJT>RW> RW>> that information. That is, if you have a telephone...:) RJT>RW> RT> With a line that is live :) RJT>RW> Or a quarter for the pay phone. RJT> JE> Quarter, heck! It's 35 cents now!! RJT>And it doesn't cost you anyhow when you're dialing an 800 number... :-) Now it sure costs the 800 provider when from a pay phone. * OLX 2.1 TD * Desk: A very large wastebasket with drawers. --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: F1200009 Date: 01/01/98 From: C.A. KLINGEL Time: 03:06am \/To: KENNY HENDERSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Todd Jaspers: M.I.A.? -=> Quoting Kenny Henderson to C.a. Klingel <=- KH> How much was it? A grand. KH> And your charge card company loves yah too! Yes, they get a percentage of each sale for any parts I charged. They will be disappointed not to get any interest out of me though. ;-) CK> Santa bring the Firebird anything for Christmas? KH> My Eibach Springs should come Monday or Tuesday. Variable or straight-rate springs? KH> Just floor mats, waxes tec. What, no neon license plate frame? Were you a bad boy? Regards, Craig Klingel ... I'm not schitzophrenic - yes I am - no I'm not - I AM! - AM NOT! -.... --- Brought To You By VaporWare 3.0 * Origin: Winner's Circle (1:2410/351)