--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGV00014 Date: 12/25/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 09:39am \/To: KENNY HENDERSON (Read 0 times) Subj: American Sports Car 24 Dec 97 19:43, Kenny Henderson said this about American Sports Car to Roy Witt. RW>> But sitting and riding in one is the real test. I've never been RW>> impressed with Mopar ride or comfort and the Avenger is no RW>> exception. KH> KH> KH> One of my friends bought a '97 Avenger. Its the base 4 banger with KH> automatic. Slow isn't the word, feels like an 18 second car. Other KH> then that it seems like a decent car, seems to handle ok and doesn't KH> ride to stiff. Still, Dodge's build quality is not up to par in my KH> opinion. When they first came out with it, I was at the auto show here in San Diego. I was curious, because it looked so bitchin', that I had to take a closer look.. What I found was cheap materials used for interior upholstery and plastic all over the place. Plastic isn't so bad, but the colors were very un-imaginatively grey and made the interior look even cheaper. Then, sitting it it, I was disapointed that the seats weren't anywhere near confortable. I did find that all of the cars that year (1995), including GM and Ford and all imports, were all uncomfortable to sit in. The one I found to be most comfortable was the Miata... ... From San Diego, CA - Where we measure Sunshine in Days! --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGV00015 Date: 12/25/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 09:46am \/To: KENNY HENDERSON (Read 0 times) Subj: American Sports Car 24 Dec 97 19:45, Kenny Henderson said this about American Sports Car to Roy Witt. KH> RW>> If that's the case, the difference is minimal. The Viper has RW>> 275/40x17 tires all around, and the C5 has 245/40x17's up front and RW>> 275/40x17's out back. KH> KH> I'm pretty sure the Viper's tires are wider then that. Also, you may KH> want to double check those C5 tire sizes as well. Straight from the road test reports in Autoweeks 1998 Buyer's Guide... ... Talk is cheap because the supply exceeds demand. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGV00016 Date: 12/25/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 09:48am \/To: TOM WALKER (Read 0 times) Subj: American Sports Car 25 Dec 97 07:44, TOM WALKER said this about American Sports Car to ROY WITT. TW> ->> Else where in this echo, Alan and I were discussing 302's built by ->> Chevrolet, back in the late sixties. That engine made a lot of ->> horsepower at high rpm, but it could only be used while you were ->> racing. Basically making it useless for the street. Probably why ->> Chevrolet only made that engine for two years. Or maybe it was ->> because they had a bunch of 283 cranks left over and needed to use ->> them up...:) TW> TW> Didn't GM fairly well Successfully RACE those 320's ? 302's! Yes they did...out of neccesity...SCCA rules mandated the engine ze. TW> I think they produced the Street Car despite it's drawbacks because TW> of the Requirement of Qualifying as a Stock Car fro racing. SCCA and TransAM...back then, big blocks were being used in NASCAR... TW> And didn't FORD do the same thing with their HEMI V-8. Sell enough TW> to the Public to qualify it as a Stock Car? I was surprised to learn that the Ford Hemi never made it to stock car racing...NASCAR anyway. That was about the time that NASCAR mandated a smaller carburator on the 400+ engines, which all but eliminated the Mopar Hemi from NASCAR competition, as it needs all the air it can get to perform...Race teams found they could get more HP out of a smaller displacement (350) engine with the carburator required by NASCAR... ... We got a Brill to grill, Waters to pee in and what else? --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGV00017 Date: 12/25/97 From: MARTIN BISHOP Time: 04:04am \/To: MARC GERGES (Read 0 times) Subj: 325i -=> A Citroeen BX. There's a chance you have already seen one. -=> Although Citroeen is not present on the american market, 9 -=> cars have been imported in the US. ive heard of the company citroeen before, thats about it.....i think when i was little i had a citroeen matchbox car, a light blue station wagon [oh yeah - why am i saying this? no one cares] -=> Oh, that's about the german preferences for fast cars. 140 -=> on the speedo looks more impressive than 120, doesn't it? not that im complaining, i think on alot of imports they go to absurd speeds, like on the mazda miata i believe it also goes to 140...some cars ive seen 160...thats crazy. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: DaCool BBS (516)496-4956 - Syosset, NY (1:2619/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGW00000 Date: 12/26/97 From: PAT BREEDEN Time: 01:18am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: 1987 Chrysler Captain's Log: StarDate=>>> (Thursday) December 25, 1997 8:19pm Here's another problem with my mom's 1987 Chrysler. The electronic odometer quit working and now just shows ------ blank where it used to show the mileage. Two questions, why did they make the odometer electronic, what possessed them, and what is wrong with it exactly is it something with the computer part of the car and how much do you estimate it would cost to fix ? Make that three questions. :-) The driver's side electric window quit working and I was just wondering what the steps are to remove the inside door panel to get at the motor and guts inside the door? It never hurts to get a few hints once in a while. She has been advised by a mechanic to get rid of the car, but she likes it for some reason. ...Pat ... "We can rebuild him, we have the technology." - Oscar Goldman --- * TLX v4.10 * --- * Origin: WireHaired Terrier BBS (509)465-9525 FidoNet Node (1:346/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGW00001 Date: 12/25/97 From: KENNY HENDERSON Time: 07:58pm \/To: ROY WITT (Read 0 times) Subj: American Sports Car RW>$25k? I heard that a 2.2l Honda Civics go for over $30k. I was in small The Prelude VTEC goes for about $23,000 and uses a 195 hp 2.2l I4. --- * OLX 2.1 TD * There is no passion; there is only serenity. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Fresh Start BBS * Edison NJ * (732) 248-1678 * (1:107/310.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGW00002 Date: 12/25/97 From: KENNY HENDERSON Time: 08:22pm \/To: DEVIN DIMITRI (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: American Sports Car DD> JW> I agree. Basically. The Viper is all torque, though. The HP/CID DD> JW> ratio isn't really that good, either. DD> Torque is the best part, though! :) Really, though, if you'd DD> like to see a great Viper, check out just about any Hennissy DD> job. Even the base models, 550hp are awesome. He does most DD> of his stuff with freer breathing. Well, that 602hp one is a DD> little different... :) DD>-Lates What about superchargin a Viper? Sounds like a sure 10 second ride with some traction:) --- * OLX 2.1 TD * There is no such thing as war atrocities. War is an atroc --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Fresh Start BBS * Edison NJ * (732) 248-1678 * (1:107/310.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGW00003 Date: 12/25/97 From: KENNY HENDERSON Time: 08:00pm \/To: DAVID WEI (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: cool cop cars DW> KH> The whole Ford lineup should be upgraded. I work with a guy who also DW> Yup... 350HP Cobra, 300HP GT, and 200HP V-6... Man, would the Jap sports DW> car maker be scared or what... The Japanese wouldn't be half as scared as GM:) --- * OLX 2.1 TD * There is no point in beating a dead horse. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Fresh Start BBS * Edison NJ * (732) 248-1678 * (1:107/310.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGW00004 Date: 12/25/97 From: KENNY HENDERSON Time: 08:08pm \/To: DAVID WEI (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: FORD 302 VS SBC 305 DW> KH> One reason why I have an FBody:) DW> Any mods? :) but isn't it hard to mod the engine like swapping the heads, DW> sparkplugs, intake and exhaust mainafolds, and stuff like that??? Its a '94 Formula, automatic 4 speed, 3.23 gears. My only mods are Edelbrock cat-back exhaust and a K&N air fliter. On Oct 11th at Englishtown I went 13.66 on BFG Drag radials at 26 psi w/ 1.96 60 ft time. I hope to get to Atco on Sunday, January 4th. Hopefully it will be in the 30s or 40s and I can go 13.5. I ordered Eibach springs, and they will arrive Jan 5th or 6th. Yes, the LT1 is a bit hard to work on. But with some other small mods, a Y Pipe, airfoil, pulleys, and shift kit I hope to go 13.2-13.4. Also, I could always go with 3.73 gears, that would help a bit too. I'm not interested in much more then that at this point and time, though that could change:) --- * OLX 2.1 TD * There is no sign of the freighter, sir. --Data. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Fresh Start BBS * Edison NJ * (732) 248-1678 * (1:107/310.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGW00005 Date: 12/25/97 From: KENNY HENDERSON Time: 08:09pm \/To: DAVID WEI (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: FORD 302 VS SBC 305 DW> KH> The regular LT1s (285 hp 325 lb/ft of torque) run with the 4.6 Cobras DW> KH> as well. At the strip the base LT1s, ram air LT1s, and Cobras are ll DW> KH> to close to call. I've seen one Cobra go 13.6 stock, while other uys DW> KH> could launch the thing and were stuck going low 14s all day. DW> Agreed... I wonder what will happen if Ford upped the displacement to .4L DW> , My guess is that the 5.0 fanatics will stop bitching about it a DW> little... I'd really love to see that, but with the possibility of both the FBodies and Mustang dieing in the near future, we may never see it. --- * OLX 2.1 TD * There is no such thing as best in a world of individuals. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Fresh Start BBS * Edison NJ * (732) 248-1678 * (1:107/310.0)