--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGV00004 Date: 12/25/97 From: TOM WALKER Time: 08:09am \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Sears car battery! -> TOM WALKER wrote in a message to DON LEWIS: -> -> -> John Faerber wrote to John Ranger: -> -> -> -> JF> Has Sears ever done an electrical system check? -> -> -> -> Sears tested my alternator when I had the factory original battery -> -> replaced about 4 years after the car was bought, and I'm fairly -> -> certain they ruined the alternator in the process because it had -> -> been working normally that same morning. I won't let Sears touch -> -> my car. -> -> TW> Unless they had to Jump Start your car fro that Alternator Test -> TW> I find it HIGHLY unlikely they were the one that damaged the -> TW> Alternator. I can think of NO conceivable connection of the -> TW> Test Leads on a Charging system analyzer that would hurt the -> TW> alternator. -> -> How about doing a load test while the car is still running? Seems to -> that'd tend to do it... NOPE, The alternator will take FULL output fro quite a while and by Engineering design it will NOT put out more then RATED output. --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Jim's East County BBS! El Cajon, CA. (619) 561-8424 (1:202/100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGV00005 Date: 12/24/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 04:19pm \/To: RON TAYLOR (Read 0 times) Subj: chevy impala 22 Dec 97 11:18, Ron Taylor said this about chevy impala to Roy Witt. RW>> Tell me! Are you calling the BBS directly or are you ftp-ing over RW>> the Inet? RT> RT> Directly. No BBS's locally. Out of state long distance is cheaper RT> than intra-state. That's a new one. MCI was charging me more for inter-state calls than for intra-state...Switched and now it's cheaper all the way around. RW>> ... Your post proves the forth Stooge theory... RT> RT> Which is? Don't take anything serious which is preceeded by those three dots.. It's a tagline, picked randomly by my reader software... ... JE> You've been warned, and warned again. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGV00006 Date: 12/24/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 04:24pm \/To: PETER HARLE (Read 0 times) Subj: Electrical loads, battery 23 Dec 97 15:42, Peter Harle said this about Electrical loads, battery to Roy Witt. RW>> If you look at a schematic of an internally regulated alternator, RW>> you'll see a self-excitation circuit. PH> PH> That's true Roy, but most also have a terminal for the indicator PH> light. Its primary purpose is to indicate a malfunction in the PH> charging system. That's true. PH> Its secondary purpose is to provide a small excitation current PH> to the alternator field winding. The globe needs to be rated at PH> least around 2 to 3 watts, or if an LED is used, a parallel PH> connected resistor is required. BOSCH, CAV, Chrysler, Denso, PH> Delco-Remy, Ford, Mitsubishi, Motorola, etc., all stipulate a PH> minimum excitation current via the globe and/or suitable PH> resistor. GM's Pontiac division books also say that as the voltage through the lamp and resistor reach the level of the output it turns on the the Zenor Diode in the regulator and we beget voltage regulation. PH> From personal experience I must admit I've yet to find PH> a working, general purpose automotive alternator that won't PH> "self-excite", even after many months of non-use. Simple PH> tests also tend to support the positive aspects of using the PH> "warning light current" to "pre-excite" the rotor. The alternator PH> begins charging as soon as the engine reaches around 600 rpm. Usually PH> immediately after starting an engine without extra revving. PH> PH> Disconnecting the warning light circuit generally means the PH> engine needs to be revved to at least around 1500 to 2000 rpm PH> before the alternator begins to "kick in" and charge normally. PH> Cheers, Peter H. Thanks for the confirmation... ... Jeff Edmonson> I'm not changing my ways, Roy. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGV00007 Date: 12/24/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 04:32pm \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: 325i 23 Dec 97 16:03, Roy J. Tellason said this about 325i to TOM WALKER. RJT> TOM WALKER wrote in a message to KENNY HENDERSON: RJT> -> TW>> I think some one is FULL OF IT. BMW didn't import a V-6 in 1986. -> TW>> In fact I don't think they even were manufacturing their V-6 ->> engine ->> yet. ->> ->> Do they make any V6s? I thought all the 535Is, 325Is, M3s, etc were ->> inline 6s. RJT> TW>> That is Right, they were, They have a V-8 and a V-12 though TW>> but NO V-6. At least as of last years models. RJT> RJT> I was at a car show once, and glanced into the back of this truck RJT> sitting there... RJT> RJT> Once I realized what I was looking at, I didn't blame them for not RJT> wanting to move it out of there -- it was a V-16 engine! Packard and Cadillac both made V16's, both died during the mid-30's. ... JE> This time it's permanent. There is NO chance for reconciliation. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGV00008 Date: 12/24/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 04:34pm \/To: ROY J. TELLASON (Read 0 times) Subj: Battery Terminals 23 Dec 97 18:28, Roy J. Tellason said this about Battery Terminals to Curious George Mehner. RJT> Most of what I saw out there when I ran that battery store was lead, RJT> excepting the import stuff which were plated copper, for the RJT> post-type terminals. And just about all of the side terminals were RJT> plated copper as well, unless they'd been replaced by some RJT> aftermarket units, in which case they were often lead as RJT> well. My old Firebird!!! When I got it, it still had the original battery cables in it. Spring loaded (spring steel with lead outer layer) battery cable connectors... ... JE> -NO taglines containing controversial subjects. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGV00009 Date: 12/24/97 From: RONNIE THOMPSON Time: 08:24pm \/To: TOM WALKER (Read 0 times) Subj: Radiator Leak -=> Quoting Tom Walker to Ronnie Thompson <=- -> TW> Why Not. Out here in California you can get Dehydrated Water for -> TW> Earthquake emergency Kit! :-) :-) -> -> What is included in the dehydrated water packet?? You have the H2 -> (can't -> figure how to make the little 2) and just add oxygen?? :) TW> Whatever is left After All the Moisture is removed in the TW> De-Hydrating process. :-) :-) TW> And the instructions say to RE-Hydrate it just Add water. :-) Am I the only one here, who this just doesn't sound quite right to?? :) Ronnie in NC ... "I'll take 'Things Only I Know' for 400, Alex." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: (1:3634/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGV00010 Date: 12/24/97 From: RONNIE THOMPSON Time: 08:24pm \/To: PERCY WONG (Read 0 times) Subj: Antifreeze -=> Quoting Percy Wong to Jay Emrie <=- PW> I have been told by a expert a few years ago that that crap about PW> mixing water and anifrezze was just pure bunk, money gimick. I don't PW> know anymore, I hope somebody will enlighten me please. :) An "expert"??? Perhaps this expert was into replacing radiators, heater cores, and water pumps. Here is an article from the newspaper, in which the author is considered to be a pretty good mechanic: ############################################### RT> Following is a article that was in our local newspaper this weekend, RT> from syndicated columnist Robert Sikorsky, who writes a nationwide RT> column called "Drive it Forever" This one deals with antifreeze, RT> and the proper mix, for best results. It might answer a few questions RT> that others have left in the minds of some, in regards to PROPER RT> procedures. RT> QUESTION: Dear Bob: Why can't the consumer use pure, 100 percent RT> anti- freeze in the car's cooling system? A lot of us think it would RT> be preferable to trying to mix the proper proportion of this and that. RT> RT> Maybe it's a silly question. Perhaps we should instinctively know the RT> answer. At any rate, I would be grateful if you could shed some light RT> on this mystery. JH RT> RT> ANSWER: There are three main reasons why pure antifreeze-ethylene RT> glycol_ shouldn't be used at full concentration in a car's cooling RT> system. RT> The first reason, and perhaps the most important is that pure ethylent RT> glocol freezes between 0 degrees and minus 5 degrees Fahrenheit. It RT> is only when pure antifreeze/coolant is mixed with water that its RT> freezing point is lowered. RT> RT> So, if you need protection below the zero mark, you had best mix the RT> antifreeze with water in the proportions suggested by either the car RT> maker or antifreeze manufacturer. Playing guessing games or trying to RT> alter the manufacturer's suggested proportions will only do harm to RT> your car. RT> The second reason is the flip side of the first: pure RT> antifreeze/coolant doesn't have the heat-transfer abilities that an RT> antifreeze/coolant-and-water mixture does. RT> RT> THE NEXT PARAGRAPH IS IMPORTANT=MY EMPHASIS (RT) RT> RT> In fact, if pure antifreeze/coolant is used in a car's cooling system, RT> the system LOSES (emphasis mine again) about 35 percent of the RT> heat-transfer capabilities it would otherwise have had when mixed with RT> the proper amount of water. RT> RT> Pure antifreeze/coolant isn't nearly as efficient at getting the heat RT> out of the engine as is antifreeze/coolant and water. (MY emphasis RT> coming) RUNNING ON PURE ANTIFREEZE/COOLANT IS PURE FOLLY, AND WILL ONLY RT> HASTEN THE DEMISE OF YOUR ENGINE. RT> RT> The third and final reason to use a mixture is that water must be RT> mixed with the antifreeze/coolant in order to keep the latter's RT> performance additives- silicate, phospates and nitrates-suspended. (My RT> emphasis again coming) WITH- OUT WATER, THESE IMPORTANT ADDITIVES HAVE RT> A TENDENCY TO SETTLE, AND IF THEY DO THAT, YOU LOSE ANTICORROSION AND RT> OTHER ADDITIVE PROTECTION. RT> end article Ronnie in NC ... Answers: $1, Short: $5, Correct: $25, dumb looks are still free. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: (1:3634/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGV00011 Date: 12/25/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 09:28am \/To: ALAN MORRISON (Read 0 times) Subj: '91 Mk VII 21 Dec 97 17:10, Alan Morrison said this about '91 Mk VII to Ronnie Thompson. AM> As soon as I discovered the Haynes manual didn't even include the AM> computer trouble codes, which are in a separate manual, it became AM> apparent the price doubled. Now I have two Haynes manuals that cover AM> less than the Mitchell's and factory manuals. If you look at where Haynes is published, it's completely understandable why they don't have all the information... ... Tiny Yellow Stream, by I. P. Freely..... --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGV00012 Date: 12/25/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 09:35am \/To: RONNIE THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Monte Carlo probs. 22 Dec 97 19:02, Ronnie Thompson said this about Monte Carlo probs. to Roy Witt. RT>> Doesn't take much to make a carb act up, especially Holleys. RT> RW>> That's right. Q-jets, on the other hand, can have all kinds of RW>> junk in the float bowls and still get you down the road. RT> RT> Usually it's not what's IN the float bowl, it's what is stuck under RT> the needle valve. The difference between a vertical valve and a horizontal one. ... I'm Han Solo, Captain of the Millinium Falcon. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGV00013 Date: 12/25/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 09:37am \/To: RONNIE THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Radiator Leak 22 Dec 97 21:08, Ronnie Thompson said this about Radiator Leak to Roy Witt. RT> -=>> Quoting Roy Witt to JAY EMRIE <=- RT> JE>> opportunity to get it. - not just those that get on the net. RT> RW>> No, but they do give you a 1-800 number to call so you can get RW>> that information. That is, if you have a telephone...:) RT> RT> With a line that is live :) Or a quarter for the pay phone. ... Pregnant is the past tense of virgin.. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13)