--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGP00085 Date: 12/19/97 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 09:20pm \/To: ROY WITT (Read 0 times) Subj: Battery sizes RW>17 Dec 97 11:16, JAY EMRIE said this about Battery sizes to ROY WITT. RW> RW>> It's been many a year that I could see .003 with the naked eye. A RW> RW>> piece of r insures there is a gap. It also insures that the little RW> RW>> tit that is usual n worn point contacts isn't touching. And a match RW> RW>> book cover gets it almost near as a feeler gage. RW> JE> RW> JE> Guess I can see a mite better than you! I always filed that tit off - RW> JE> even used a fingernail file a few times. RW>Ever try that in -20F weather, stalled on a country gravel road, going on d No, but I have done it in 100+ weather on the side of a gravel country road and darn it with NO traffic for possible help. That darned old Model A picked the darndest times to play out. * OLX 2.1 TD * If I melt dry ice, can I swim without getting wet? --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGP00086 Date: 12/19/97 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 10:15pm \/To: JACK NELSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Electrical connections JN>JN> Even better would be to coat them with grease or an electronics JN>JN> contact cleaner/protectant because their surface won't break and JN>JN> let in air, and they can be applied to the battery posts and JN>JN> terminals before assembly. JN>RW> That's an awful messy way to protect stereo wires...but if JN>RW> they're out of sight and touch, I guess it would be better. JN>JN> If you have computer SIMMs with gold edge connectors and SIMM JN>JN> sockets with tin connectors, this can prevent the tin from JN>JN> corroding. JN>RW> I do this on antenna connections by using a conductive grease. JN>JE> I'm curious, just what grease is conductive? JN>I measured some anti-seize compound, which contains copper and JN>aluminum powder, but it measured infinite resistance. Maybe graphite JN>grease will conduct enough, but for the vast majority of electrical JN>applications, use only nonconductive lubricants because you only want JN>to prevent corrosion, and, as I said, the contacts have no problem of JN>piercing through the insulating film of oil or grease, as you can JN>check by taking apart a heavy-duty switch. Conductive grease will JN>short out contacts that don't even normally touch. All of which says wonders for Silicone grease!!!!! I just tried to measure some SLIP PLATE - a graphite based lubricant and it also measured infinite resistance. One thing must be remembered though. My Fluke meter has only a 9 V battery, and I have no idea of just how much of that voltage in used for resisistance measurements. With a higher voltage, say 110V it probably would conduct significantly. * OLX 2.1 TD * Synonym: word you use when you can't spell the other one. --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGP00087 Date: 12/19/97 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 10:17pm \/To: ROY WITT (Read 0 times) Subj: Engine Wanted RW>17 Dec 97 19:46, Roy J. Tellason said this about Engine Wanted to John Faerb RW> RJT> Here's a question, maybe some folks can clarify this for me RW> RJT> -- if you look in a bunch of the books that you can get on these RW> RJT> cars (Chilton, Motors Manual, etc.) at engine specs, the '70 Dart RW> RJT> I had was rated at 230 HP for that engine, while the '75 was rated RW> RJT> at 170 HP! Can anybody explain to me just what exactly it was that RW> RJT> they did to change the engine and lose all those horses? RW>Long about 71 or 72 they (factories) changed the way they rated engine horse RW>r. (I forget the old and new formulas they used) That helped those folks wh RW>id license fees by horsepower. Illinois was one of them. RW>Then, about that same time, the govt said you (factories again) gotta stop p RW>ting the air with those cars. Smog devices were bountiful beginning in 74 a RW>y 75, horsepower was gone... RW> RJT> Is there stuff I can do to reverse that? Or would I be better off RW> RJT> just getting another engine and building it up from scratch? RW> Basically, your engine lost compression and some cam lobe. Put it back with RW>ermarket stuff and it'll make horsepower again. The biggest (worst) things the manufacturers did back in the 70s was reduce the compression ratio AND retard the cam timing about 5-7 degrees. Same cam grind, just differect timing. I am speaking strictly of Ford 460 V8s here. I would suspect others were similar. Supposed to reduce emissions and ended up doing nothing but reduce power. I corrected that by using a police cam which kept the better timing. * OLX 2.1 TD * Do vegetarians eat animal crackers? --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGP00088 Date: 12/19/97 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 10:18pm \/To: ROY WITT (Read 0 times) Subj: Radiator Leak RW>17 Dec 97 14:28, Curious George Mehner said this about Radiator Leak to oy RW>. RW> CGM> That would be a serious problem for those ethylene glycol antifreeze RW> CGM> products designed to work properly for five years or 100,000 miles. RW> CGM> Texaco says its Havoline 5Y/100,000Mi Extended Life (GM factory RW> CGM> fill) has a shelf life of at least five years, and Prestone claims a RW> CGM> ten- year shelf life for its 5Y/100,000Mi product. This can be RW> CGM> verified by calling Prestone at 1-800-862-7737 or Texaco at RW> CGM> 1-800-STAR-TLC. RW>I prefer my information from their Inet site... RW> CGM> The ethylene glycol doesn't deteriorate easily or quickly, but the RW> CGM> silicone silicate additive found in most antifreezes will break RW> CGM> down into a gel in just eighteen months of storage, according to RW> CGM> Texaco. RW>And Prestone. They also recommend their "extended life" antifreeze over the RW>ormal antifreeze. RW> CGM> The 5Y/100,000Mi coolants are silicate free, as is Toyota RW> CGM> antifreeze. Zerex 5Y/50,000Mi coolant does contain silicate, but RW> CGM> there's no reason to buy it when Texaco Extended Life is about the RW> CGM> same price. RW> Silicate and nitrite/nitrate free as well... Prestone recommends shaking s RW>ed bottles every so often to keep the silicates suspended... On the bottles they DONT. What Prestone MAY POSSIBLE say on the internet doesn't mean a thing UNLESS it is backed up with like info on the product itself so that ALL of the general public has an opportunity to get it. - not just those that get on the net. * OLX 2.1 TD * PowerAccess 1.08: A failure to communicate! --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGP00089 Date: 12/19/97 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 10:20pm \/To: ROY WITT (Read 0 times) Subj: Silicone RW>17 Dec 97 15:05, JAY EMRIE said this about Silicone to ROY WITT. RW> RW>> Silicon grease is a nonconductor and goes away in the outdoor RW> RW>> environment. RW> JE> RW> JE> Correct, silicone grease IS a nonconductor! However, coating the RW> JE> contact surfaces with silicone PREVENTS oxygen from getting to the RW> JE> contacts, thus completely preventing oxidation. Further, when the RW> JE> contacts are supposed to make (plugging in a connector, inserting a RW> JE> lamp, putting a battery cable on, etc. the silicone is pushed aside RW> JE> allowing as perfect as possible electrical connection but still RW> JE> coating the exposed areas. Go away in the out door environment?? No RW> JE> way. RW>Bullshit!!! I used that shit on my 86 Olds to try and protect an antenna mo RW>from leaking water into the hole for the coax on the roof. I packed it ull RW>ilicone grease... 4 months later, it was gone, kaput, not there anymore. RW>t it? Silicone grease is NOT and was NOT meant to seal holes. That was a rather silly thing to do. You should have used one part urethane. Then you would not have had a water leak. RW> JE> RVs are notorious for the clearence light socket contacts RW> JE> corroding, thus preventing the lamp from coming on. Often the bulb RW> JE> an socket are of different materials! My travel trailer is a 1986, RW> JE> with all sockets and lamps coated with silicone when I purchaed the RW> JE> trailer new in 1986. So far not one SINGLE lamp has failed to light RW>Protected environment...not the same.. Protected? Not at all. The clearance lamp lenses have drain slots in them. So do the stop/tail lamp assemblies. Both of them get full of dust and at times collect water. RW> JE> So >NO< IT DOES NOT GO AWAY IN THE OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENT. RW>I say again, listen real close...B U L L S H I T ! All I can say is that you have positively proven that you do not know what you are talking about. * OLX 2.1 TD * Vultures only fly with carrion luggage. --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGP00090 Date: 12/19/97 From: C.A. KLINGEL Time: 11:51am \/To: KENNY HENDERSON (Read 0 times) Subj: FORD 302 VS SBC 305 -=> Quoting Kenny Henderson to John Pummill <=- KH> I like the Cobras, but the guy driving it is an as%hole. He likes to KH> burn out in the main parking lot and rev his engine all the time. Guys like that have big checkbooks ( or a high debt to income ratio ) but they don't have a clue. It's fun to do them with your 5+ year old Fox platform...'cause you know they are still making payments on it. Yes...Mustang guys all hate each others cars. I don't know why it's that way though. :( Regards, Craig Klingel ... You know how those Chevy people are... --- Brought To You By VaporWare 3.0 * Origin: Winner's Circle < SysopTechNet 313 Host > (1:2410/351) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGQ00000 Date: 12/20/97 From: JAY EMRIE Time: 08:12am \/To: DAVID WEI (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Battery sizes DW> -=> Quoting Jay Emrie to David Wei <=- DW> JE> Please explain why people with SILVER utensils (knoves, forks, poons, DW> JE> teapots, etc.) have to keep polishing them to get rid of the tarnish DW> JE> and keep them looking pretty. DW> Is it tarnish or is it corrosion? Have the metal been lefted alone or is DW> it in contact with another metal? I'll have to check my RedOx chart to DW> be 100% sure on this one... :) The silverware I am referring to is the knives, forks ,spoons, etc. that are stored in a velvet lined "silverware box" solely for that purpose. No other metal contact possible. It is CALLED tarnish, while more properly it is oxidation. * OLX 2.1 TD * Give me ambiguity or give me something else. --- RemoteAccess 2.50+ * Origin: Northern Lights! * San Antonio * 210-499-6299 V34/VFC (1:387/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGQ00001 Date: 12/17/97 From: ALAN MORRISON Time: 06:26pm \/To: MARK LOGSDON (Read 0 times) Subj: BMW vs Corvette -=> Quoting Mark Logsdon to Alan Morrison <=- AM> Chevy hasn't produced a 302 in almost 30 years.. How old are you? ;-) ML> I never knew they did. I recall the 283, 307, and 350 v8. Yes, they sold it at least in '68 and '69 as the Z/28 engine. In '70 it went to 350. As most people know the 302 was being built by people for high rpm use before Chevy sold one. The racers called it a 301, and it was made by putting the 283 crankshaft in a 327 block. This ended up with 301.66 cubic inch with the 4" bore and 3" stroke. The high rpm horsepower from the relatively small size was great for road racing, although more cubes were better for drag racing and street use. I recall a guy in high school that had a stock '69 Z/28 that would get rubber in all 4 gears. This was the 302 with single 4 barrel Holley and a Muncie close-ratio 4 speed. You could also order a dual-quad, cross-ram intake setup for racing, which is one of the rarest options found on the '69 302 Z/28. BTW, the SBC started at 265 CI with a 3.75" bore and 3" stroke. It has since made many incarnations including 262, 283, 302, 305, 307, 327, 350 and 400. The 283, 327, 350, and 305 are the more common ones which had production runs for over 5 years each. The 350 has now had a run of over 30 years and is still available in pickups, although this may be near an end. The new Gen III SBC (like the LS1) is rumored to have a complete line in the works as a 4.8 liter @ ~255 HP, a 5.3 liter @ ~265 HP, and a 6 liter @ near 300 HP. This will be in addition to the LS1. --- Blue Wave/386 v2.20 [NR] * Origin: River Canyon Rd. BBS Chattanooga, Tn (1:362/627) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGQ00002 Date: 12/17/97 From: ALAN MORRISON Time: 06:48pm \/To: KENNY HENDERSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Chevy Impala -=> Quoting Kenny Henderson to Alan Morrison <=- AM>I show a LX450 in '96 with an 4.5 liter inline 6. KH> Thats why I used the word 'think' in my message:) Does Lexus have KH> plans to use that big 6 in anything else? Hmm, I don't know. I did notice they are copying some of the European designation with the xx400 being the 4.0 liter V8 engined versions, and the xx450's being the 4.5 liter 6. KH> There are more KH> Japanese AM>V8's coming though and this model may have switched or KH> made one an option. AM>Somebody has a 1.6 liter DOHC V8, can't KH> remember if it was Honda or VW. KH> It might be Suzuki. I just read about it in one of my magazines:) May have been Suzuki... There were so many new engines mentioned in the magazine with the Japan Int'l Auto show that they sort of ran together. Another one that was sort of interesting was the VW w12 engine. What?? A W-twelve? They took their narrow-angle V6 and JB-welded them together to make a 12 cylinder engine that may look something like this: \||/ It looked to be very compact, but I don't know how efficient it would be to have the drag of so many cylinders, valves, etc. in such a small displacement engine (same with the 1.6 L V8). If they have no cooling problems it may lead to some exotic sportscar from VW in the future. --- Blue Wave/386 v2.20 [NR] * Origin: River Canyon Rd. BBS Chattanooga, Tn (1:362/627) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGQ00003 Date: 12/17/97 From: ALAN MORRISON Time: 08:07pm \/To: JAY EMRIE (Read 0 times) Subj: Electrical loads, battery -=> Quoting JAY EMRIE to MARK LOGSDON <=- JE> about 10 minutes. Proves that the late model cars with JE> alternators WILL run without a battery. AM> But it needs voltage to initiate a field in the alternator. JE> Seems that the alternator and rest of the circuitry DOES provide a JE> closed loop thus providing the field. ML>I believe he's questioning whether it will START without a battery. ML>Does it have sufficient residual magnetism to generate a field? I ML>suspect not. JE> I don't think so Mark. The statement was made here some time back that JE> unless a battery was in the circuit an alternator could NOT function. I have run cars off the alternator, which will generate voltage to run the vehicle without a battery. If you remove the battery from a running vehicle and it dies, suspect the alternator. Mark was correct in stating what I meant... You need some voltage to initiate a field in the alternator, meaning it wouldn't push-start unless it had a battery with some amount of voltage. Of course a vehicle with a magneto will push-start, or kick-start, and run with no battery! --- Blue Wave/386 v2.20 [NR] * Origin: River Canyon Rd. BBS Chattanooga, Tn (1:362/627)