--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGM00048 Date: 12/17/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 05:24pm \/To: BILL MITCHELL (Read 0 times) Subj: GAS PRICES 16 Dec 97 12:01, Bill Mitchell said this about GAS PRICES to Roy J. Tellason. BM> The law requires that anyone who operates a flammable fuel dispensing BM> device be trained in it's operation during the first 24 hours of BM> employment and also provides that only employees may operate such BM> equipment. As an ex-fuel dispensor (gas station attendant), am I as a TRAINED individual, allowed to pump my own gas? ... It's a bird, it's a plane, its a pidgeon..... --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGM00049 Date: 12/17/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 05:33pm \/To: TOM WALKER (Read 0 times) Subj: American Sports Car 17 Dec 97 04:57, TOM WALKER said this about American Sports Car to ROY WITT. TW> ->> Hey! I'm a x-Corvette owner... I know when I'm outgunned and I'll a ->> it. Although I don't like to. ->> ->> Give the Corvette equal cubic inches as the Viper and you'll be ->> singing a different tune. That's the ONLY place it's lacking in ->> comparison and in many places it far exceeds anything the Viper is ->> claimed to be. TW> TW> Well it just proves the old saying, Nothing Beats Cubic Inches. TW> Although the Accura NSX gives it a very good try. That old saying should have been; Nothing beats a lot of Cubic Inches to weight ratio. The NSX uses a lot of rpm to get there. TW> And Incidentally IF, And that is a big IF, I had the Money I would TW> go for the Vette myself. It is a beautiful car. The Viper on the TW> other hand is as they say "Double Ugly"!! That has to have been Chryslers motto. They've all been double ugly since I can remember seeing my first mopar product.. ... I'd post a Pro-Life tag, but there's no ANSI swastika! --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGM00050 Date: 12/17/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 05:38pm \/To: TOM WALKER (Read 0 times) Subj: Battery sizes 17 Dec 97 05:03, TOM WALKER said this about Battery sizes to ROY WITT. TW> ->> I thought they discontinued that when they got the computers online a ->> made those mini trucks pay big truck fees...(that'l teach em) TW> TW> They just changed the Law and cancled the Mini-Truck Exemption to TW> the Truck fees. As far as I know if you put a camper on it you don't TW> have to pay the Fees. BUT then you are in Theory Forbidden to carry TW> anything except passengers. But how many times do you get stopped to TW> see if you have 4 X 8 sheets of Plywood in your camper. :-) If they did stop you, "those are for our picnic table." TW> I think the DMV super snoops only look for Contractors, TW> Businesses, etc using their vehicles for commercial purposes with TW> out commercial plates. Could be. I was always glad to pay the commercial fee. When I went down town or got in a commercial district, those yellow curbs are free parking. Since I put my Amateur Radio plates on it, I've been hesitant to do so because the only way a meter maid would know they were commercial plates would be to look at the registration. ... You wanna bitch? No thanks, I already have one.. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGM00051 Date: 12/17/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 05:42pm \/To: TOM WALKER (Read 0 times) Subj: American Sports Car 17 Dec 97 05:32, TOM WALKER said this about American Sports Car to ROY WITT. TW> ->> Hey Kenny, in the old days, I drove a Flame Red 63 Corvette roadster ->> which ->> screamed, "Come on girls, I've got enough for every one of you!"... TW> TW> That was Money you were talking about, Right. :-) Money makes up TW> for an Amazing amount of Short Comings! :-) That musta been it, since I never had any of those short comings...:) ... Oh, look @TOFIRST@! Another dumb newbie! --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGM00052 Date: 12/17/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 05:43pm \/To: TOM WALKER (Read 0 times) Subj: Laser stops cars 17 Dec 97 05:42, TOM WALKER said this about Laser stops cars to ROY WITT. TW> That would be the very late 60's as the VW Square back didn't get TW> the Bosch Electronic Injection until 1969. And even if I was NOT from TW> Missouri I would have to see that one to Really Believe it! Now IF TW> the guy IN the VW has one of the lousiest Linears made and specially TW> routed his antenna cable Next to the Computer Module maybe. But from TW> a car sitting next to it is a little hard to swallow. It happened, I swear...The car next to it was also running a 100watt linear amp... ... Scots wear kilts cause sheep can hear a zipper! --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGM00053 Date: 12/17/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 05:44pm \/To: TOM WALKER (Read 0 times) Subj: battery sizes 17 Dec 97 06:18, TOM WALKER said this about battery sizes to ROY WITT. ->> Point me in the direction where I can find the dimensions for metric ->> threads... TW> TW> I coundn't find it but Originally I found out about the difference TW> from a VDO Gauge catalog in the Adapters available section. And I TW> have installed several gauge sets that cautioned one to use Metric TW> Adapters if installing in a Metric engine. I did look at a McMaster TW> Carr Catalog also and while they didn't have Metric Pipe Dies in the TW> catalog there was a note on the page with the RIGID Drop Head Ratchet TW> Pipe threaders saying "International Standards Organization(ISO) TW> Metric prices on request". Uh huh! There are only two Pipe Standards in the world. American and British. Since the Brits have gone to the metric system, they may have changed their standards to read in metric (ISO), but the dimensions aren't changed one iota and are called British Standard Pipe... The difference between the two was explained to me today by a tool technician. BSP threads are about one, more or less, thread different from SAE threads but both are dimensionally similar.. ... Govt investigations contribute more to amusement than knowledge. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGM00054 Date: 12/17/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 05:51pm \/To: TOM WALKER (Read 0 times) Subj: battery sizes 17 Dec 97 06:24, TOM WALKER said this about battery sizes to KEVIN RELKOFF. TW> -> AM>> The size is the inside diameter of the pipe. The outside of pipe ->> ->> so that's how they figure it out the size, okay thanks.. TW> TW> Actually that is not entirely correct. Pipe is Sized by inside TW> diameter only in garden variety lowest grade pipe. As one goes from TW> Schedule 20, to 40, 60 and 80 Schedule pipe the Outer diameter stays TW> the same and the Inner diameter becomes smaller with the Increase in TW> Wall thickness. So 1/4 inch pipe doesn't always have a 1/4 inch hole TW> in the middle. Now we all should be confused! Yeah, since 1/4" pipe never had a 1/4" inside diameter.. Hell, 1/8" pipe (sched 40) has a .269 inside diameter.. ... Are you sure it isn't time for a colorful metaphor? --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGM00055 Date: 12/17/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 06:08pm \/To: DON DELLMANN (Read 0 times) Subj: Battery sizes 16 Dec 97 07:40, Don Dellmann said this about Re: Battery sizes to JAY EMRIE. DD> While tripping merrily through the mail, JAY EMRIE was overheard DD> JE>> Please explain why people with SILVER utensils (knoves, forks, JE>> spoons, teapots, etc.) have to keep polishing them to get rid of JE>> the tarnish and keep them looking pretty. DD> DD> But is tarnish the same as corrosion (actual oxidation of the silver DD> itself)? You should invest in a dictionary. Tarnish is the dulling of the luster of a metallic serface by oxidation. ... Roy's Radiator Shop, Best place in town to take a leak... --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGM00056 Date: 12/17/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 06:31pm \/To: JAY EMRIE (Read 0 times) Subj: Battery sizes 16 Dec 97 21:37, JAY EMRIE said this about Battery sizes to RONNIE THOMPSON. JE> We have enough trouble here with the idiots driving into "low water JE> crossings" and getting washed away. Amazing! That must be a universal thing. We have the same thing here. One year the Salt River in Phoenix flooded while I was visiting my Uncle. The news covered the flooded river and how/why many cars with people in them had washed away, only to be found days later about 30 miles downstream... All dead, of course. ... Post enough and eventually you get quoted.... --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 246 AUTOMOTIVE Ref: EGM00057 Date: 12/17/97 From: MARC GERGES Time: 09:54am \/To: GARY SPRINZL (Read 0 times) Subj: Battery sizes Salut Gary! GS>> When an alternator is charging a very low battery, it is maxing out GS>> on amps. Like anything electric/electronic, if you leave it running GS>> at 100% for an extended time, parts will overheat. Among the parts GS>> that can fail if overheated include (but are not limited to) the GS>> diodes and voltage regulator. MG>> You must have quite a bad alternator. GS> No, that's true with all electronics. Run three amps through a GS> transistor rated at 3 amps continuously, and it'll eventually fail. But shouldn't an alternator be rated at a current higher than needed, just to prevent that? MG>> I commute daily for a couple of miles, temperatures about 0 Celsius MG>> right now. Pre-glow the car, burst it into life, and then the whole MG>> orchestra pla lights, often wipers, heating and window defrosting, MG>> radio... the only thin in the car that doesn't need electricity is MG>> probably the engine :-) GS> I take it you have a diesel. Yes. GS> Ignition systems typically add a 25-30 amp drain on the charging system. GS> That's 30 amps more than you have on yours. Did you measure that? Seems quite much to me. There's high voltage in the ignition system, but not necessarily high current. GS> Besides, the alternator in a car is designed to provide more than GS> all of the electrical components in the car will drain (though this GS> is not always the case). However, go adding things like RF amplifiers GS> (240 watts @ 12 volts = 20 amps and since the typical linear amplifier GS> has an efficiency of 45-50%, that's a 40 amp draw from the charging GS> system) and see how many alternators you start going through. Sure, there is a limit when you use big amplifiers and such. But when you have the money to buy those... :) GS>> Shop manuals recommend charging a battery with an external charger if GS>> it has been severely drained of power. MG>> And then they offer you a nice charger for a small price, don't they? MG>> :) GS> I've never seen a charger offered by either Mitchell's, Motor or GS> Chilton, but then, maybe I'm missing something. ;) Maybe - I have never seen anything offered at those shops and don't know if I'm missing something :) But here it goes that when people tell you such things, they often have an interest in selling you something. GS>> This is the same reason why you shouldn't jump-start another car with GS>> your engine running. MG>> The only way to start another car is with your engine running. If you MG>> don't your battery has to power two starts... GS> No, that is not the only way to do it. It is if you have cheap GS> wannabe jumper cables. If you have the proper jumper cables, i.e. 4 GS> gauge or better, then you can start a diesel without your engine GS> running. What does 4 gauge mean? Here we are used to classify those cables by their section. In a fine set of cables, every cable has a section of at least 4, better 6 mm^2. I'm sorry I don't have a clue how to translate this into anything you might understand. GS> But then, what do I know? I only used to do this professionally, as GS> a part of my tow-truck duties. :) Completely disqualifies you :-) But the pro's here make it that way too: branch the cables with one car running and start the other one. GS> The proper way of jumping a car, as described in the car's owner's GS> manual, is to start your engine and run it for a few minutes, to GS> charge the other car's battery, then shut it off and attempt to GS> start the other vehicle. Why should one charge the other battery? As soon as the other car's engine is running, it charges itself. GS> So, your battery has to power two starts? That's what SHOULD happen. GS> Starters can draw 2 to 300 amps on a warm engine, more than that GS> cold. Imagine what can happen to a poor little alternator if you GS> attempted to run that much current drain through it. You don't run it it through the alternator, you run it through the battery. cu .\\arc ...Mary had a little lamb. The doctor was surprised. --- * Origin: sympathy for the debil (2:270/47)