--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: F4400000 Date: 04/03/98 From: FRED RUNK Time: 07:08pm \/To: MICHAEL LABRECK (Read 0 times) Subj: Miz Christie -=>While in the White Hart, Michael Labreck explained to Fred Runk that<=- ML> Maybe someday, an author will come up with the idea. Then again, maybe ML> that somebody will be me! :) ML> And when I finish it, I'll post it here for you to read. I'll be looking forward to reading it, as long as this would be on-topic. ... Only fools are certain and immovable. -Michel de Montaigne- ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: F4400001 Date: 04/03/98 From: FRED RUNK Time: 07:18pm \/To: STEVEN HORN (Read 0 times) Subj: Death is now my Neighbor -=>While in the White Hart, Fred Runk explained to Steven Horn that<=- I just checked that reference in DEATH...NEIGHBOR, and I noticed something that gives me hope. Morse, assuming I had the sequence of dialogue correctly, says let's go talk about those papers. We never actually seen him signing them. I think that's an out for Dexter. If there is a next book, we will find out that Morse changed his mind. And, I still wonder about his comment when he asks why he should send Lewis a card when he says he will see him in the morning. Of course, one answer is that he won't retire immediately, but is just doing the paper work for a retirement sometime within the future--a month or maybe six?? And, I know, I'm grasping at straws, but I hate to think there will be no new Morse tales. No Lord Peter, no Brother Cadfael, no Miss Marple, no Sherlock, no Morse... The list goes on... ... An army that cannot retreat will suffer defeat. -Lao-Tze- ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: F4500000 Date: 04/04/98 From: STEVEN HORN Time: 12:14pm \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 0 times) Subj: Death is now my Neighbor On 03 Apr 98 at 19:18, Fred Runk (1:300/105) wrote to Steven Horn: FR> I just checked that reference in DEATH...NEIGHBOR, and I noticed FR> something that gives me hope. FR> Morse, assuming I had the sequence of dialogue correctly, says let's FR> go talk about those papers. We never actually seen him signing them. I FR> think that's an out for Dexter. If there is a next book, we will find FR> out that Morse changed his mind. And, I still wonder about his comment FR> when he asks why he should send Lewis a card when he says he will see FR> him in the morning. FR> Of course, one answer is that he won't retire immediately, but is FR> just doing the paper work for a retirement sometime within the future--a FR> month or maybe six?? I won't disagree with your assessment other than to note that when Lewis receives Morse's note on the Monday, there's no suggestion that Lewis has seen Morse at work earlier that day. FR> And, I know, I'm grasping at straws, but I hate to think there will FR> be no new Morse tales. FR> No Lord Peter, no Brother Cadfael, no Miss Marple, no Sherlock, no FR> Morse... FR> The list goes on... The one I miss is Brother Cadfael. I think the problem is Dexter's own age. If my calculations are correct, he's about 70 and I'm not sure how many books he has left. Take care, Steven Horn (shorn@yknet.yk.ca) Moderator, CAN_SYSLAW Co-Moderator, ALASKA_CHAT --- Msged/386 4.20 beta 3kl1 * Origin: Yukon Mail, Whitehorse, Canada (1:3409/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: F4A00000 Date: 04/05/98 From: FRED RUNK Time: 11:33am \/To: STEVEN HORN (Read 0 times) Subj: Death is now my Neighbor -=>While in the White Hart, Steven Horn explained to Fred Runk that<=- SH> I won't disagree with your assessment other than to note SH> that when Lewis receives Morse's note on the Monday, SH> there's no suggestion that Lewis has seen Morse at work SH> earlier that day. Ah well, guess I'm just hoping for one more titled MORSE'S LAST CASE. SH> I think the problem is Dexter's own age. If my SH> calculations are correct, he's about 70 and I'm not sure SH> how many books he has left. Think I heard someone else mention that also. Guess the time to quit is when one hasn't embarrassed oneself yet, as many others have done, who should have retired after the last book or after the last season. ... "Be still as a mountain, move like a great river."- Wu Yu-hsiang ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: F4B00000 Date: 04/04/98 From: JAN MURPHY Time: 11:08pm \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Death is now my Neighbor > > No Lord Peter, no Brother Cadfael, no Miss Marple, no Sherlock, > no Morse... I know, but -- You need to find some new writers. What about Laurie King's A BEEKEEPER'S APPRENTICE for new Sherlock Holmes stuff? If you want classic detectives from the same age as Sayers, what about Ngaio Marsh? I grant you that it took me a bit to enjoy Marsh's work because I kept being disappointed that the books weren't like Sayers', but once I got past the early work and Marsh began to find her own voice (and got away from the standard 'silly detective' that everyone was doing back then -- all copying E.C. Bentley, most likely), I enjoyed her work immensely. And if you haven't read Josephine Tey, you should. Ditto for Ellis Peters' contemporary mysteries with George Felse; the later ones are rather sketchy, but the first, FALLEN INTO THE PIT, is a fine book. I've also got a staggering to-read pile building up, what with Dick Lupoff's books, Laurie King, Penny Warner, Susan Dunlop, Walter Moseley, the two Japanese mysteries by Woodward (can't remember her first name), Anthony Price, etc. And let's not forget Peter Lovesey. You'll have to scout out used copies, because very little is in print. But if you read nothing else, find ROUGH CIDER, a superb book. And if you want a series with the same detective, check out the Peter Diamond books, which have a nice mix of the seriousness and humor, without going into the totally wacky stuff, like the Bertie books. --- Opus-CBCS 1.73a * Origin: Sci-Fido II, World's Oldest SF BBS, Berkeley, CA (1:161/84.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: F4C00000 Date: 04/06/98 From: STEVEN HORN Time: 10:56pm \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 0 times) Subj: Death is now my Neighbor On 05 Apr 98 at 11:33, Fred Runk (1:300/105) wrote to Steven Horn: FR> Ah well, guess I'm just hoping for one more titled MORSE'S LAST CASE. So am I. I'm just not sure we'll see one. FR> Think I heard someone else mention that also. Guess the time to quit FR> is FR> when one hasn't embarrassed oneself yet, as many others have done, FR> who FR> should have retired after the last book or after the last season. FR> One should not give up hope. After all, P. D. James is 78. Take care, Steven Horn (shorn@yknet.yk.ca) Moderator, CAN_SYSLAW Co-Moderator, ALASKA_CHAT --- Msged/386 4.20 beta 3kl1 * Origin: Yukon Mail, Whitehorse, Canada (1:3409/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: F4C00001 Date: 04/07/98 From: FRED RUNK Time: 07:35am \/To: JAN MURPHY (Read 0 times) Subj: New writers -=>While in the White Hart, Jan Murphy explained to Fred Runk that<=- JM> I know, but -- JM> JM> You need to find some new writers. What about Laurie King's A JM> BEEKEEPER'S APPRENTICE for new Sherlock Holmes stuff? If you want JM> classic detectives from the same age as Sayers, what about JM> Ngaio Marsh? I grant you that it took me a bit to enjoy Heh, I do have some new writers--PD James, Elizabeth George, Martha Grimes, Willam Bayer, Stephen Saylor, Batya Gur, Anne Perry (Monk series) to name a few--but I do miss my old favorites. I read Laurie King's BEEKEEPER'S APPRENTICE and enjoyed it, but wouldn't really want to read a series--I like her other series much better, and I've read the first three--will get the fourth one of these days. JM> Marsh's work because I kept being disappointed that the JM> books weren't like Sayers', but once I got past the early JM> work and Marsh began to find her own voice (and got away JM> from the standard 'silly detective' that everyone was doing JM> back then -- all copying E.C. Bentley, most likely), I JM> enjoyed her work immensely. And if you haven't read I went on a Marsh binge several years ago and read about 20 or more in a month. Found them fun but formulaic. The formula probably wouldn't have been noticeable if I hadn't read so many of them in sequence. I thought they made great TV shows though. JM> Josephine Tey, you should. I think I read one by her--who's her detective? Ditto for Ellis Peters' JM> contemporary mysteries with George Felse; the later ones JM> are rather sketchy, but the first, FALLEN INTO THE PIT, is JM> a fine book. I read that one and liked it, but I read another and really didn't care for it. JM> I've also got a staggering to-read pile building up, what with Dick JM> Lupoff's books, Laurie King, Penny Warner, Susan Dunlop, Walter JM> Moseley, the two Japanese mysteries by Woodward (can't JM> remember her first name), Anthony Price, etc. Don't know most of the others. Tell me about the Japanese mysteries by Woodward--sounds interesting. Are they similar to the Judge Dee mysteries set in medievel? China. Thanks for the recommendations. ... Today's wine I swallow now...Tomorrow's sorrow I'll swallow then. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: F4C00002 Date: 04/06/98 From: MICHAEL LABRECK Time: 01:26am \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 0 times) Subj: Miz Christie Fred: -=>While in the White Hart, Michael Labreck explained to Fred Runk that<=- ML> Maybe someday, an author will come up with the idea. Then again, maybe ML> that somebody will be me! :) ML> And when I finish it, I'll post it here for you to read. FR> I'll be looking forward to reading it, as long as this would be FR> on-topic. I don't see why it wouldn't. The story IS a mystery, and this IS the MYSTERY echo, is it not? -={Michael}=- --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: A Bit Of Light In Your Night 860/290-8578 10p-8a Only (1:142/578) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: F4E00000 Date: 04/08/98 From: JAN MURPHY Time: 09:02am \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: New writers > Heh, I do have some new writers--PD James, Elizabeth George, > Martha Grimes, > Willam Bayer, Stephen Saylor, Batya Gur, Anne Perry (Monk > series) to name a > few--but I do miss my old favorites. Fair enough. ;) > I went on a Marsh binge several years ago and read about > 20 or more in a > month. Found them fun but formulaic. The formula probably > wouldn't have > been noticeable if I hadn't read so many of them in sequence. > I thought > they made great TV shows though. No, they wouldn't have fared well when read that many at a time. I for one despised the TV shows for their fundamental mis-reading of the two main characters. My opinion, of course. It was particularly frustraing because in other ways the show was extremely well-cast, at least from the looks of it. If you knew the books well, you could turn off the sound and identify all the characters on screen by just looking at them. But I didn't like the way either Troy or Alleyn were played, and especially disliked the transmogrification of the scene where the two of them met. I also hated the way they went about sticking Troy in books where she does not appear. At any rate, here are my favorites, and if you skipped any of these, give them a try sometime, if you feel like reading another. Artists in Crime Death in a White Tie Colour Scheme Defintely all the theatricals. Let's see, there's Vintage Murder, and Light Thickens (a masterpiece), and then I get confused because one of them is double-titled and I can never remember which. Killer Dolphin and Night at the Vulcan might be the same one. I'm rather fond of A Clutch of Constables because Troy gets more stage time than usual, even though the book itself is not one of the strong ones. Ditto the one with their son (Dead Water?). Forgive me for being muddled, but I'm sitting here doing this from memory since all my books are in a box somewhere. > JM> Josephine Tey, you should. > I think I read one by her--who's her detective? Alan Grant. Try THE DAUGHTER OF TIME or THE SINGING SANDS, although it's weird to read books whose twist is that the detective is Not His Usual Self when you haven't read the ones where he is his usual self yet, if you know what I mean. --- Opus-CBCS 1.73a * Origin: Sci-Fido II, World's Oldest SF BBS, Berkeley, CA (1:161/84.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: F4E00001 Date: 04/08/98 From: JAN MURPHY Time: 09:13am \/To: MICHAEL LABRECK (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Miz Christie > > ML> And when I finish it, I'll post it here for you to > read. > > FR> I'll be looking forward to reading it, as long as this > would be > FR> on-topic. > > I don't see why it wouldn't. The story IS a mystery, and > this IS the > MYSTERY echo, is it not? Guys, I hate to be a party-pooper, but MYSTERY has never been a workshopping echo, and I'd prefer we don't turn into one. Echo traffic is so erratic these days, I don't think its fair to be talking about something that not everyone will have had the chance to read. Imagine what would happen if somebody missed a big chunk of stuff and asked that it be re-posted; Michael would have to send it out all over again. But then if he only sent the missing part, and somebody new came in then, and wanted the parts HE missed re-posted -- you get the idea. Let's stick to talking about published works, please. Michael, if you want to talk about plot details, and character ideas, along the lines of 'is X acting consistently with the published work', feel free, but please, no drafts. --- Opus-CBCS 1.73a * Origin: Sci-Fido II, World's Oldest SF BBS, Berkeley, CA (1:161/84.0)