--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEX00000 Date: 10/27/97 From: FRED RUNK Time: 05:57pm \/To: STEVEN HORN (Read 1 times) Subj: Golden Agers -=>While in the White Hart, Steven Horn explained to Fred Runk that<=- Some of my contemporary favorites are PD James, Anne Perry, William Bayers, and Elizabeth George--Martha Grimes also, Ellis Peters, Davies? (Falco, the Roman PI during the time of Augustus Caesar). I just finished Perry's CAIN HIS BROTHER and found that the most disappointing of her Inspt. Monk series--guess Inspector is no longer accurate. Anyway, there are large holes in the logic, and I think she cheated. I had figured out the solution early on, but two "facts" made that solution impossible. As it turned out, on the last page or so, we are told one of those facts didn't exist while the other one we had to assume was a lie by a character. There is no rationale for what happened, or why it happened--it just did. Oh well, the earlier books were very satisfying, so I will shrug this one off and go on. As it is, I found her latest in WallyBooks, so I will go around with W. Monk at least once more. FINISHED: Greg Bear. HEGIRA FINISHED: Matsuo Basho. THE NARROW ROAD TO THE NORTH FINISHED: Anne Perry. CAIN HIS BROTHER CR: JG Ballard. HELLO AMERICA, 42/224 CR: Robert Phillips, ed. TRIUMPH OF THE NIGHT, 174/366, ghost story coll. CR: Jack Finney. TIME AND AGAIN, 115/398 Email: fredr@gci-net.com ... Against stupidity, the very gods themselves struggle in vain. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEX00001 Date: 10/27/97 From: FRED RUNK Time: 06:04pm \/To: STEVEN HORN (Read 1 times) Subj: Hammett -=>While in the White Hart, Steven Horn explained to Fred Runk that<=- SH> Fred Runk (1:300/105) wrote to Suzze Tiernan at 15:04 on 24 Oct 1997: FR> There were several movies, decades ago, featuring a detective FR> called "The Thin Man." I wonder if it was the same character. I FR> also remember a radio detective who was called "The Fat Man." The FR> intro was "he tips the scales at 250 lbs, his fortune DANGER!" or FR> something like that anyway--it was awhile ago. SH> The "The Thin Man" movies (or at least the first one) were loosely SH> based on the Hammett story. I can't help you with "The Fat Man". Can't remember anything about the series, except that opening scenario. It might even have been based on a Hammett character, for all I know--loosely, very loosely based, that is. ... "Klaatu Barada Nikto!" "Oh yeah? You and what army?" ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEX00002 Date: 10/27/97 From: FRED RUNK Time: 06:06pm \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 1 times) Subj: Bro. Cadfael -=>While in the White Hart, Robert White explained to Fred Runk that<=- RW> I felt the same way, the character as portrayed by Jacoby just didn't RW> gibe with Cadfael in the books. We both probably would have enjoyed the RW> TV series better if we hadn't read the books. My favorites of the PBS Could be--I had read at least ten of the novels prior to seeing it on TV, so I had already formed "my image" of Brother Cadfael when I saw it. RW> Mystery! shows are the Morse episodes. John Thaw captures the essence RW> of Morse as Colin Dexter seems to have written him. Yeah, Thaw does a superb job, although the writing recently has weakened, about the time when the shows stopped being based on Dexter's novels and started being based on "characters created by Colin Dexter." I also like the characterizations of PD James Inspector Daiglaish (sp) and Christie's Miss Marpel. I would never watch those old Miss Marpel movies featuring M. Rutherford--at least I think that's who she was. RW> It may be a parody, but having seen a bit of our local and some US RW> Star Trek 'beam-ins' on the TV, it doesn't seem that much over done of RW> the actual conventions. Heh, some of the heat generated led me to suspect it was hitting a bit too close to home. Some even claimed to have recognized some of her characters. RW> I've read a number of Josephine Tey's books over the years, and always RW> like them. 'Brat Farrar' and 'The Franchise Affair' rate pretty high RW> with me, and my latest read 'The Man in the Queue' is also enjoyable. RW> Despite having been written over 40 years ago, I don't find them that RW> dated. 'The Man in the Queue' reminds me of Christie's 'The Mirror RW> Cracked' but that didn't distract from the story for me. Either I've read that one or one with a similar title. Does it open with a man murdered while standing in a queue waiting to get a ticket? ... Thi i YoUg moqeM OU qgUgs. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEX00003 Date: 10/26/97 From: DENNIS MCCUNNEY Time: 01:12pm \/To: STEVEN HORN (Read 1 times) Subj: Hammett ** From Steven Horn to Suzze Tiernan on 24 Oct 97 18:24:00 ** Re: Hammett SH> I know you'll enjoy it. It's been so long since I've read from that SH> period that I can't even be sure if Dashiel Hammett or Raymond Chandler SH> was responsible for the 'Continental Op'. Hammett. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Lunatic Fringe * Richardson, TX * 972-235-5288 * (1:124/2113) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEX00004 Date: 10/25/97 From: MICHAEL LABRECK Time: 12:29am \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 1 times) Subj: Agatha Christie readers? Fred: ML> Hey, *SOMEONE* besides me *DOES* like Agatha Christie! ML> To be honest with you, I like both of them....(Marple and Hercule) ML> My favorite Hercule mystery is "Death On The Nile", and my favorite ML> Marple mystery is "Murder On The Links". What are yours? FR> NEMESIS--definitely paints a different picture of Miss Marple. She's FR> not just a sharp-eyed bystander, but she has a role to play in the FR> grand scheme of things. MURDER MUST ADVERTISE--another of my FR> favorites, but can't explain why at this moment. I haven't read those two yet. I have NEMESIS, but not the other. FR> FINISHED: William Hope Hodgson, THE HOUSE ON THE BORDERLAND FR> FINISHED: Marcel Proust, Vol. I, SWANN'S WAY FR> FINISHED: Greg Bear, HEGIRA FR> CR: Anne Perry, CAIN HIS BROTHER, 142/404 FR> CR: Matsuo, Basho, THE NARROW ROAD TO THE NORTH, 106/143 FR> CR: Robert Phillips, ed. TRIUMPH OF THE NIGHT, 159/366, ghost story FR> coll. I honestly can say that I haven't read any other mysteries other than Agatha Christie. Some of my friends are giving me the names of some authors, but I've forgotten their names. Any suggestions for mystery/suspense authors besides Agatha Christie? Thanks in advance.... -={Michael}=- --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: A Bit Of Light In Your Night 860/290-8578 10p-9a Only (1:142/578) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEX00005 Date: 10/27/97 From: IRV KOCH Time: 12:20pm \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 1 times) Subj: FIDO IK> It's always had holes. However traffic in this echo is near zero IK> without allowing for that. It's dropped all over; the echos that had IK> low volume to start with are now near zero. RW> The cooking echos seem to be holding their own, maybe RW> due to the chatty over- RW> the-back-fence nature of them. I haven't spent much RW> time browsing an Internet RW> Newsgroups, the few I looked at seemed full of trash and flames. This one and a few others have come back from the dead in the last month. A few others I know of dropped to a lower level of traffic (an improvement) and are steady. The Internet newsgroups vary. The Mystery version of this echo is pretty good ... you don't even have to hit the delete key too often if you have an ISP that "filters." THAT's the coming thing. However, for Mystery, the "biggest deal on the net" is the Dorothy-L Listserver list and its growing number of spin offs (HOUNDS-L, GASLIGHT, etc.). --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Ice Fire 423-267-3789 (1:362/629) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEY00000 Date: 10/27/97 From: STEVEN HORN Time: 10:57pm \/To: DENNIS MCCUNNEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Hammett Dennis McCunney (1:124/2113) wrote to Steven Horn at 13:12 on 26 Oct 1997: SH> period that I can't even be sure if Dashiel Hammett or Raymond Chandler SH> was responsible for the 'Continental Op'. DM> Hammett. You're right, of course, but it's been thirty years since I read most of my Hammett and even my brain has its lapses. Take care, Steven Horn (shorn@yknet.yk.ca) Moderator CAN_SYSLAW --- timEd/386 1.10+ * Origin: Yukon Mail, Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada (1:3409/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEY00001 Date: 10/28/97 From: JAN WERTZ Time: 12:15am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Murder She Wrote I have heard that Jessica Fletcher ans _Murder She Wrote_ may be coming back with new episodes as a series again!! I don't have any details, and I'm wondering if someone might have the missing info.... --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Mr Zip "Home of Aunt Gabby Echo" (1:123/17) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEZ00000 Date: 10/29/97 From: FRED RUNK Time: 01:14pm \/To: MICHAEL LABRECK (Read 1 times) Subj: Agatha Christie readers? -=>While in the White Hart, Michael Labreck explained to Fred Runk that<=- ML> Fred: ML> I honestly can say that I haven't read any other mysteries other than ML> Agatha Christie. Some of my friends are giving me the names of some ML> authors, but I've forgotten their names. ML> Any suggestions for mystery/suspense authors besides Agatha Christie? ML> Thanks in advance.... If you like works from Christie's era, then try Dorothy Sayers--her detective is Lord Peter Wimsey--another one I first encountered on MYSTERY! Other favorites of mine of Elizabeth George, Martha Grimes, Colin Dexter, Ellis Peters, William Bayers, PD James... I'm sure you'll get other names around here. FINISHED: Anne Perry. CAIN HIS BROTHER FINISHED: JG Ballard. HELLO AMERICA CR: Gredgory Benford. JUPITER PROJECT, 12/184 CR: Robert Phillips, ed. TRIUMPH OF THE NIGHT, 227/366, ghost story coll. CR: Jack Finney. TIME AND AGAIN, 280/398 Email: fredr@gci-net.com ... The world is a beautiful book, for those who can read it. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EE^00000 Date: 10/29/97 From: STEVEN HORN Time: 11:52pm \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 1 times) Subj: Anne Perry Fred Runk (1:300/105) wrote to Steven Horn at 17:57 on 27 Oct 1997: FR> Some of my contemporary favorites are PD James, Anne Perry, William FR> Bayers, and Elizabeth George--Martha Grimes also, Ellis Peters, FR> Davies? (Falco, the Roman PI during the time of Augustus Caesar). I like P.D. James, Ellis Peters and Elizabeth George, have mixed feelings about Anne Perry, and have not read William Bayers or Martha Grimes. And I've read only one of the Falco books. FR> I just finished Perry's CAIN HIS BROTHER and found that the most FR> disappointing of her Inspt. Monk series--guess Inspector is no FR> longer accurate. FR> Anyway, there are large holes in the logic, and I think she FR> cheated. I had figured out the solution early on, but two "facts" FR> made that solution impossible. As it turned out, on the last page FR> or so, we are told one of those facts didn't exist while the other FR> one we had to assume was a lie by a character. FR> There is no rationale for what happened, or why it happened--it FR> just did. Oh well, the earlier books were very satisfying, so I FR> will shrug this one off and go on. As it is, I found her latest in FR> WallyBooks, so I will go around with W. Monk at least once more. It's been some time since I read CAIN and I admit that I had misgivings because what I thought was the solution had been made impossible. And while I don't mind the assertion of non-existent facts, there should be a clue to the effect that appearance is not reality. Similarly, if a character is likely to lie, one can expect some statement to that effect. But what I dislike more about Perry is that her characters don't develop. P. D. James, on the other hand, is superb in that area -- while reading her work centered around the nuclear powerplant at Larksoken, I was tremendously impressed at the development of the characters. I particularly remember the admin assistant who turns out to be a German-recruited terrorist. Take care, Steven Horn (shorn@yknet.yk.ca) Moderator CAN_SYSLAW --- timEd/386 1.10+ * Origin: Yukon Mail, Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada (1:3409/1)