--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEV00003 Date: 10/24/97 From: DENNIS MENARD Time: 10:29pm \/To: STEVEN HORN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Hammett -[ Quoting Steven Horn <10-24-97 18:24>, to Suzze Tiernan ]- SH> I know you'll enjoy it. It's been so long since I've read from that SH> period that I can't even be sure if Dashiel Hammett or Raymond Chandler SH> was responsible for the 'Continental Op'. It was Hammett. The "Continental Op" was written in 1923. "The Big Knockover" was written in 1924, "The Dain Curse" in 1928, "Red Harvest"in 1929, "The Maltese Falcon" in 1929, "The Glass Key" in 1931 and finally, "The Thin Man" in 1933. -< Dennis >- ... Gravity brings me down. -=- Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- SLMAIL v4.5a (#0185) * Origin: * Pacific Salt BBS * Whitehorse, YT * Canada * (1:3409/3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEV00004 Date: 10/25/97 From: DENNIS MCCUNNEY Time: 11:08pm \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 1 times) Subj: Hammett ** From Fred Runk to Suzze Tiernan on 24 Oct 97 15:04:00 ** Re: Hammett FR> Who, if anyone, would be your favorite writer from the Golden Age FR> of the Mystery? SH> Dashiel Hammett. ST> Our Mystery reading group a the store is reading "The Thin Man" for ST> our January meeting. I am looking forward to it, as I have never read ST> any of his work. FR> There were several movies, decades ago, featuring a detective called FR> "The Thin Man." I wonder if it was the same character. I also I believe it was. Hammett also wrote for Hollywood, so it's possible he did the adaptations. (Don't have a reference at hand, so I can't be sure of that.) FR> remember a radio detective who was called "The Fat Man." The intro was FR> "he tips the scales at 250 lbs, his fortune DANGER!" or something like FR> that anyway--it was awhile ago. That might also have been based on Hammett -- specifically the "Continental Op" stories. (The protagonist of that series is never named. but he is on the protly side.) --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Lunatic Fringe * Richardson, TX * 972-235-5288 * (1:124/2113) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEW00000 Date: 10/26/97 From: FRED RUNK Time: 02:13pm \/To: DENNIS MCCUNNEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Hammett -=>While in the White Hart, Dennis Mccunney explained to Fred Runk that<=- FR> remember a radio detective who was called "The Fat Man." The intro was FR> "he tips the scales at 250 lbs, his fortune DANGER!" or something like FR> that anyway--it was awhile ago. DM> That might also have been based on Hammett -- specifically the DM> "Continental Op" stories. (The protagonist of that series is never DM> named. but he is on the protly side.) I've read several of the Continental Op series. If it's an adaptation, then it was a considerable one--I don't remember the radio show being that violent, and I could be mistaken about this--decades ago--I think the Fat Man was an independent PI. The Cont. Op worked for an agency, I vaguely remember. FINISHED: Greg Bear. HEGIRA FINISHED: Matsuo Basho. THE NARROW ROAD TO THE NORTH FINISHED: Anne Perry. CAIN HIS BROTHER CR: JG Ballard. HELLO AMERICA, 42/224 CR: Robert Phillips, ed. TRIUMPH OF THE NIGHT, 174/366, ghost story coll. CR: Jack Finney. TIME AND AGAIN, 115/398 Email: fredr@gci-net.com ... Never wear anything in public that embarrasses your cat. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEW00001 Date: 10/25/97 From: STEVEN HORN Time: 10:16pm \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 1 times) Subj: Golden Agers Fred Runk (1:300/105) wrote to Steven Horn at 14:38 on 24 Oct 1997: FR> Ah, you've wandered across the ocean. No, actually I took the Mauretania.:-) FR> He's a good choice. I'm not certain whom I would consider my FR> favorite Golden Ager. I would probably include several, including FR> Hammett, Sayers, Marsh. It would indeed be hard to pick one although I might add Raymond Chandler to the list. I've also found March difficult to read from time to time. Take care, Steven Horn (shorn@yknet.yk.ca) Moderator CAN_SYSLAW --- timEd/386 1.10+ * Origin: Yukon Mail, Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada (1:3409/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEW00002 Date: 10/25/97 From: STEVEN HORN Time: 10:20pm \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 1 times) Subj: Hammett Fred Runk (1:300/105) wrote to Suzze Tiernan at 15:04 on 24 Oct 1997: FR> There were several movies, decades ago, featuring a detective FR> called "The Thin Man." I wonder if it was the same character. I FR> also remember a radio detective who was called "The Fat Man." The FR> intro was "he tips the scales at 250 lbs, his fortune DANGER!" or FR> something like that anyway--it was awhile ago. The "The Thin Man" movies (or at least the first one) were loosely based on the Hammett story. I can't help you with "The Fat Man". Take care, Steven Horn (shorn@yknet.yk.ca) Moderator CAN_SYSLAW --- timEd/386 1.10+ * Origin: Yukon Mail, Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada (1:3409/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEW00003 Date: 10/26/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 01:51pm \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 1 times) Subj: Bro. Cadfael -=> Quoting Fred Runk to Robert White <=- RW> 'The Holy Thief' by Ellis Peters. I'm coming to the end of the FR> I didn't like the PBS Mystery! series because I just can't see Jacoby FR> as Brother Cadfael. He's a great actor, loved him in I CLAUDIUS many FR> years ago and in other works, but he isn't convincing as a FR> rough-and-tough mercenary from the 12th century. I felt the same way, the character as portrayed by Jacoby just didn't gibe with Cadfael in the books. We both probably would have enjoyed the TV series better if we hadn't read the books. My favorites of the PBS Mystery! shows are the Morse episodes. John Thaw captures the essence of Morse as Colin Dexter seems to have written him. RW> 'Zombies of the Gene Pool' by Sharon McCrumb. I read her earlier FR> Many in the SF Fido conference who have read it consider it more of a FR> parody of SF conventions and fans than a true mystery. It may be a parody, but having seen a bit of our local and some US Star Trek 'beam-ins' on the TV, it doesn't seem that much over done of the actual conventions. Just finished 'The Harry Chronicles' by Allan Pedrazas. This is Pedrazas' first book, and it's pretty good for a first effort. It's set in South Florida, which is one of my favorite locales to read about in mysteries. Perhaps this will be the start of another series. Currently reading 'Death of an Irish Sea Wolf' by Bartholomew Gill. It's one of his Peter McGarr series, set in Ireland, and steeped in local lore & history. I generally enjoy Gill's books and this one the best I've read so far. It's kind of a police procedural so you might like it. Just finished a Donald E. Westlake book called 'What's the Worst That Could Happen'. It's a Dortmunder caper with the usual cast of characters that loat in and out this series. I didn't like this one as much as some of the others, but it is an amusing read. James W. Hall has a series set in South Florida that I thought was going to become a successor to John D. McDonald's Travis McGee series. Hall's main character is also a loner who lives his life to his own rules, and inevitably drawn to tilting at windmills, saving damsels in distress and righting rongs. Unfortunately, in his latest caper 'Buzzcut' he stretches credibility all out of shape. Just too many contrived coincidences for my taste, hopefully he ill get back on track in his next effort. I've read a number of Josephine Tey's books over the years, and always like them. 'Brat Farrar' and 'The Franchise Affair' rate pretty high with me, and my latest read 'The Man in the Queue' is also enjoyable. Despite having been written over 40 years ago, I don't find them that dated. 'The Man in the Queue' reminds me of Christie's 'The Mirror Cracked' but that didn't distract from the story for me. TTYL, Bob 8-{) --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: TechTalk; Calgary, Alberta. V.34+ (403)209-2104 (1:134/40) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEW00004 Date: 10/26/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 05:07pm \/To: STEVEN HORN (Read 1 times) Subj: Bro. Cadfael -=> Quoting Steven Horn to Robert White <=- Hello Steven, RW> 'The Holy Thief' by Ellis Peters. I'm coming to the end of the RW> the war between King Stephen and his cousin Empress Maud for the RW> crown of England is particularly fascinating, I want to search out RW> a history of the time to see how it all turns out. SH> Neither Stephen nor Maud wins as Henry II becomes king in 1154. I'd SH> hoped that Ellis Peters would get us closer to that point but then she SH> disappointed me by passing on. I suspect that it was a might disconcerting to her too! :) Thanks for the info on how the war ends. Clears up that loose end at least! SH> As for anachronisms in her work, she wrote superb historical works SH> under the name of Edith Pargeter so they would have been an oversight. SH> And like you, I haven't caught any. Yeah, I think any of the criticism is probably just some nit-picking by scholars trying to flaunt there specialized knowledge. RW> 'Zombies of the Gene Pool' by Sharon McCrumb. I read her earlier SH> The best McCrumb books I've read are the ones set in Appalachia -- She SH> Walks These Hills, The Rosewood Casket, The Hangman's Beautiful SH> Daughter and one other which has Peggy-O in the title. All evocative I have read a few of these as well, including "If I'd Killed Hime When I Met Him..." and also enjoyed them. She captures the feel of Appalacia better than Upstate NY or England, IMHO. SH> What I'm now waiting for is the latest Inspector Morse book. I want SH> to read what "E" stands for. It will be an interesting revelation, but I always liked his 'It's Morse, ust call me Morse'. My favorite Morse book is 'The Way Through the Woods'. I liked the way Morse planted his own clues and misdirections in that one. Hope I didn't spoil it for anybody who hasn't read the book yet. :) Bob 8-{) --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: TechTalk; Calgary, Alberta. V.34+ (403)209-2104 (1:134/40) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEW00005 Date: 10/26/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 05:07pm \/To: SUZZE TIERNAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Current reads -=> Quoting Suzze Tiernan to All <=- -=> Quoting Suzze Tiernan to Robert White <=- RW> The pop-lit press up here in Canada has been hyping Kathy Reich's RW> first book 'Deja Dead' as being the best thing since Patricia Cornwell. ST> Funny, when I was in Grand Bend recently I saw 3 copies of Deja Dead - ST> brand new! - marked $3.81 Canadian!!! And yes, I have read it and Wow, that's strange that the book is being remaindered so quickly, it just came out a couple of months ago I believe. I saw it in our local Chapters store for $26 a week or so ago. I'll wait until I can get it from the library or in PB. Glad you liked it, and the hoopla may not be too much overdone. ST> Unnatural Exposure - Patricia Cornwell. I liked it, but felt there ST> were many issues left unresolved at the end. A lead-in to the next ST> book? That's a common trick of Cornwell's and a lot of other authors. She seems to be involving the niece, Lucy, more and more. I wonder if she is planning a spin-off series? ST> Shakespeare's Champion - Charlaine Harris. This was an ARC of her ST> Just bought Angel of Darkness by Caleb Carr. Next on my list after I Added to my BOLO list. I really liked 'The Alienist' by Carr, so will be hot on his new one. FIDO must have burped your last couple of postings as I haven't seen any from you in quite awhile. Bob 8-{) --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: TechTalk; Calgary, Alberta. V.34+ (403)209-2104 (1:134/40) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEW00006 Date: 10/26/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 02:05pm \/To: IRV KOCH (Read 1 times) Subj: FIDO -=> Quoting Irv Koch to Suzze Tiernan <=- ST> I am re-sending this as I am surprised I have not received any replies IK> It's always had holes. However traffic in this echo is near zero IK> without allowing for that. It's dropped all over; the echos that had IK> low volume to start with are now near zero. The cooking echos seem to be holding their own, maybe due to the chatty over- the-back-fence nature of them. I haven't spent much time browsing an nternet Newsgroups, the few I looked at seemed full of trash and flames. Bob 8-{) --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: TechTalk; Calgary, Alberta. V.34+ (403)209-2104 (1:134/40) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: EEW00007 Date: 10/27/97 From: WAYNE CROW Time: 02:05am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Dean R. Kootnz Hello, I'm new to this echo. Was wondering if there is any Dean Kootnz fans out there or Micheal Chricton fans? Wayne wcrow@wwisp.com --- QMPro 1.53 Tried to play my shoehorn... all I got was footnotes! --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Trafalgar - OS/2 in B'ham 252-3112 (1:3602/1805)