--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DD100001 Date: 08/30/96 From: STEVEN HORN Time: 09:35pm \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 3 times) Subj: Ellis Peters Adding to my message of Aug 02 1996 to you: SH> Fred Runk (1:300/6.2) wrote to Steven Horn at 12:32 on 30 Jul 1996: FR> Ah, my copy reads first paperback printing, Feb. 1996, which I FR> presume means first in US. SH> Remember that we in Canada were colonials a lot longer than you SH> were.:-) So there are still some things we get first. FR> My knowledge of English history is not that good, so I hadn't known FR> about the civil war between Stephen and Maud. I even went to the FR> encyclopedia when I first began reading the series to make sure FR> this was real, and not a fictional conflict. I then deliberately FR> avoided reading more about the conflict and its resolution, so I FR> could get some idea of how it felt to be in the midst of the war FR> and not know the resolution. SH> Ellis Peters wrote a number of superb historical novels under the SH> name of Edith Pargeter. Four of them were part of the Brothers of SH> Gwynned quartet which focus on Anglo-Welsh relations in the SH> mid-13th century, a period I had studied. They were accurate to SH> the "academic" history and described the times (as did the Cadfael SH> novels) in a very believable manner. FR> As you say, though, there will be no more, so I pulled out my ency. FR> and did a little reading to see how it did end. It looks as though FR> there was plenty of material there for Peters. SH> Enough for another gross. As you know, Cadfael's Penance stopped SH> in 1146 and Henry II did not secure the throne until 1154. FR> I would have enjoyed meeting Henry II and seeing him through FR> Brother Cadfael's eyes. I wonder about Eustace though. Is much FR> known about him? SH> My sense is that Cadfael would have viewed Henry II realistically. SH> And by all accounts Henry was a cool and calculating customer -- SH> not necessarily a nice human being. I think The Lion in Winter may SH> have been too kind to him.:-) SH> As for Eustace, I assume you mean Eustace IV, Count of Boulogne. SH> His claim was no better than Stephen's and if one forgets about the SH> feudal requirement that only males could inherit a fief, Maud SH> (Matilda) had the better claim to the throne after the death of SH> Henry I to begin with. I also note that the Church refused to SH> recognize Eustace as Stephen's successor in 1152. SH> In any case, Eustace died in 1153. That made the question SH> academic. Did this ever reach you, Fred? Take care, Steven Horn Moderator CAN_SYSLAW E-mail shorn@yknet.yk.ca _or_ shorn@web.net --- timEd/386 1.10+ * Origin: Yukon Mail, Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada (1:3409/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DD100002 Date: 08/29/96 From: FRED RUNK Time: 08:37pm \/To: DELORES E ROWE (Read 3 times) Subj: My eyes hurt.... -=>While in the White Hart, Delores E Rowe explained to Fred Runk that<=- DER> Hi Fred.... DER> DER> Did you start back to school yet? The kids started school today, but DER> I don't think the local colleges start until the middle of next month. Yep, this week was the first week of class. Surprised to find four going so far. Three of the courses are on a rural campus, so I usually lose one because of low enrollment. DER> I have been on a total reading binge for the past week! I have DER> hundreds of messages to slog through, and my eyes hurt!! I've just limited myself to answering messages directed at me and letting the others pile up. I will browse through them over the long weekend. DER> I read two Patricia Cornwell's...Post Mortem and Cause of Death. The DER> first was as good as the last..or vice versa!! I really enjoy her DER> books, and have yet to be disappointed. Haven't read any of hers yet--she's the one with the coroner detective, sort of a "Quincy" type? DER> I read Sudden Prey by John Sandford Another of his Lucas Davenport DER> murder-suspense novels. It was fairly good, but there was a lot of DER> violence, some of which was purely gratuitous. Am not familiar with these. Who is Lucas Davenport? DER> Did you finish your summer reading projects? NO WAY!!!! Did you? My next mystery will be Batya Gur's LITERARY MURDER. There was another title there, but this one seemed to shout ME--ME--ME--ME!!! Email: fred.runk@mbhbbs.playcom.com ... To stop drinking...study a drunkard while you are sober. ___ X Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 X --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Fred's Place (1:300/6.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DD100003 Date: 08/31/96 From: FRED RUNK Time: 11:33am \/To: JOAN RENNE (Read 3 times) Subj: used books -=>While in the White Hart, Joan Renne explained to Fred Runk that<=- JR> I'm with you on this one Fred. I hit the bookstore about the 10th day JR> of the month to pick up the new releases in paperback. I finally I don't dare do that. I stay away as much as possible (humanly possible anyway--nowhere near divinely possible ) from bookstores. Dens of iniquity! JR> bought a pair of bookcases from a bookstore going out of business JR> (because of hugh stores). My only problem is that I didn't buy enough! I know the situation. I now have two bookcases, devoted solely to books that are unread or scheduled for a reread. JR> I've got a basement full of boxes of both hb and pb with no where to JR> put them so I can re-read all those goodies from 15 to 20 years ago. JR> :( I also have eight bookcases of stuff already read, and many of which are working on making the reread list. JR> I know that somewhere I have all of Philip Wylie and Ayn Rand's books, JR> but darned if I can find them. I did find all of the W.E.B. Griffen Philip Wylie--haven't heard that name in awhile. What do you have by him? JR> One of these days I'll luck out and find more bookshelves at low JR> prices and I'll put all the books where I can find them! yeah, right. That'll last for about a month or two. JR> * SLMR 2.1a * ... Money-the root of all evil. A woman needs roots. Men do too. Email: fred.runk@mbhbbs.playcom.com ... Trust in Allah--but tie your camel tight! Persian Proverb. --- X Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 X --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Fred's Place (1:300/6.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DD100004 Date: 08/30/96 From: LEE GREENE Time: 10:09pm \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 3 times) Subj: used books hi fred, are you just interested in myustey's? i like them myself, what about first editions? there was an dealer in derry, but there closed, is there any other dealer's around that reputable? drop an line if you hear of anything, nice talking to you....bye --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: The Firing Line, Pelham NH (603)-898-1314 USR DS (1:132/357) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DD100005 Date: 08/31/96 From: DELORES E ROWE Time: 04:24pm \/To: SHELLEY GINGRICH (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: My eyes hurt.... -=> On 08-30-96 20:51, Shelley Gingrich said something about My eyes hurt.... to der....... Hi Shelley... Are you Faired out yet? SG> All of her books are great. Have you read Body Farm ? I have learned SG> a lot about forensics from her books. Almost makes me want to help SG> out our local police force Some might say they could probably use the help! Actually, I have met Jerry Rappe, the County Coroner, and have a standing invite to attend any autopsy I want! I really want to do it, it's just finding the right time. Yes. I did read Body Farm. SG> I like Michael Palmer a lot. I must admit that between him and Robin SG> cook I'm now a little leery of certain medical procedures. I read a SG> Palmer about MRI's followed by a Cook about an outdated cobalt SG> machine. I'll get a 2nd opinion before any tests !! hehehe! I just finished Critical Judgement..the one about the MRI machine. I never was real fond of those things, and it will be a VERY cold day before I get one now!! Sounds like you and I like a lot of the same stuff! Let me know if you are ever going to have a yard sale and sell some of your books! SG> I think my favorite Michael Palmer was The Sisterhood. I liked that one too. I'm reading another Sandra Brown right now and it's pretty good. der ... ...Talk is cheap....until Congress does it! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- TriToss (tm) 10.0 - #189 * Origin: TMK BBS, Mem W.A.E.I.C., 509.886.7607, mystique@nwi.com 1:344/115) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DD100006 Date: 08/31/96 From: SHELLEY GINGRICH Time: 10:52pm \/To: DELORES E ROWE (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: My eyes hurt.... DER> I'm reading another Sandra Brown right now and it's pretty good. My favorite Sandra Brown was The Witness. DER> Sounds like you and I like a lot of the same stuff! Let me know if DER> are ever going to have a yard sale and sell some of your books! I have the unfortunate habit of wanting to keep books by my favorite authors. If I do decide to get rid of a book or two, I take them to a used bookstore in Spokane when I go to visit my mom. I find books by my NEW favorite authors to use the credit I receive. I either need to quit finding new authors or quit liking the old ones so much. I doubt I can talk my old favorites into writing fewer books . If I just had a couple more hours in my day...sigh. I tried giving up sleep but it always catches up with me! Haven't forgotten the Jance chronology. Just haven't had much time. Spent the morning at yard sales --- my 5th grader just informed me she can't get her drawers closed and can't decide which shoes to wear Tuesday. What can I say? I've hit some really good yard sales this summer. Mallory says she'll be the "coolest dressed" kid in school. Spent the afternoon doing Wal*Mart (what a zoo!) and Costco - we're ready for school at last! ttyl --- TriToss (tm) 10.0 - #189 * Origin: TMK BBS, Mem W.A.E.I.C., 509.886.7607, mystique@nwi.com 1:344/115) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DD200000 Date: 09/01/96 From: FRED RUNK Time: 11:56am \/To: STEVEN HORN (Read 3 times) Subj: Ellis Peters -=>While in the White Hart, Steven Horn explained to Fred Runk that<=- SH> Adding to my message of Aug 02 1996 to you: SH> Remember that we in Canada were colonials a lot longer than you SH> were.:-) So there are still some things we get first. Well, I guess "fair's fair." SH> Ellis Peters wrote a number of superb historical novels under the SH> name of Edith Pargeter. Four of them were part of the Brothers of SH> Gwynned quartet which focus on Anglo-Welsh relations in the I had seen them listed in some of the various book catalogues that I get regularly in the mail. Think I bought a book from one of them once, so I'm on numerous strange, obscure, and intriguing lists. SH> Enough for another gross. As you know, Cadfael's Penance stopped SH> in 1146 and Henry II did not secure the throne until 1154. I guess we will never know now. Do you think someone else will continue the "Brother Cadfael" series? SH> My sense is that Cadfael would have viewed Henry II realistically. SH> And by all accounts Henry was a cool and calculating customer -- I think it would have been interesting to read the encounter--she doesn't seem to glamorize the "real characters" that much. I can't even guess if she was on either Stephen or Maud's "side." Cadfael didn't seem to see too much difference between them--both flawed characters who shared responsibility for continuing the war. SH> As for Eustace, I assume you mean Eustace IV, Count of Boulogne. SH> His claim was no better than Stephen's and if one forgets about the SH> feudal requirement that only males could inherit a fief, Maud SH> (Matilda) had the better claim to the throne after the death of I gather she was Henry's designated heir, but Stephen got there first. Was it the bias against women rulers that brought about Stephen's coronation? SH> In any case, Eustace died in 1153. That made the question SH> academic. Does simplify the situation, doesn't it? Sort of like many authors who kill off characters because leaving them around at the end will cause problems. SH> Did this ever reach you, Fred? Bit confused here. Is this a second message you sent? If so, then the first disappeared somewhere. Fred Runk Sept. 1, 1996 Email: fred.runk@mbhbbs.playcom.com ... Never wear anything in public that panics your cat. ___ X Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 X --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Fred's Place (1:300/6.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DD200001 Date: 09/01/96 From: DELORES E ROWE Time: 11:29am \/To: SHELLEY GINGRICH (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: My eyes hurt.... -=> On 08-31-96 22:52, Shelley Gingrich said something about Re: My eyes hurt.... to der....... Hello Shelley... DER> I'm reading another Sandra Brown right now and it's pretty good. SG> My favorite Sandra Brown was The Witness. That's the one I just finished, and it WAS good! DER> Sounds like you and I like a lot of the same stuff! Let me know if DER> are ever going to have a yard sale and sell some of your books! SG> I have the unfortunate habit of wanting to keep books by my favorite SG> authors. If I do decide to get rid of a book or two, I take them to a SG> used bookstore in Spokane when I go to visit my mom. I find books by SG> my NEW favorite authors to use the credit I receive. I either need to SG> quit finding new authors or quit liking the old ones so much. I doubt SG> I can talk my old favorites into writing fewer books . I am of the same ilk. When I moved here from Phoenix, six years ago, I was moving from a house with almost 3,000 sq.ft to an apartment with less than 1,000! The house had several built-in, floor to ceiling bookcases. Obviously, I had to do some paring down...not an easy job! I ended up giving about 3,000 books to the Visiting Nurses Assoc for their annual book sale. It was like giving away my children!! I have done a pretty good job of rebuilding since I moved here, and have more books than living space!! I rarely, if ever, get rid of a book once it makes it's way into my house. I have been using the library a lot..it discourages me from keeping them!! SG> If I just had a couple more hours in my day...sigh. I tried giving up SG> sleep but it always catches up with me! SG> Haven't forgotten the Jance chronology. Just haven't had much time. SG> Spent the morning at yard sales --- my 5th grader just informed me she SG> can't get her drawers closed and can't decide which shoes to wear SG> Tuesday. What can I say? I've hit some really good yard sales this SG> summer. Mallory says she'll be the "coolest dressed" kid in school. SG> Spent the afternoon doing Wal*Mart (what a zoo!) and Costco - we're SG> ready for school at last! I remember those times well! I really don't like crowds...I get very claustrophobic...so I try not to "do" Walmart, Costco, Eagle, etc if I can help it! Will you be at the Chelan County Fair? der ... Originality is the art of concealing your source. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- TriToss (tm) 10.0 - #189 * Origin: TMK BBS, 509+886.7607 - 884.7237, mystique@nwinternet.com (1:344/115) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DD200002 Date: 09/01/96 From: DELORES E ROWE Time: 12:20pm \/To: JOAN RENNE (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: My eyes hurt.... -=> On 08-30-96 01:41, Joan Renne said something about My eyes hurt.... to der....... Hi Joan... JR> I like the way she writes. I too have read them all, and feel the JR> same way you do about her. I guess I have to wait until next year before we can anticipate a new one! DER>I read Sudden Prey by John Sandford Another of his Lucas Davenport DER>murder-suspense novels. It was fairly good, but there was a lot of DER>violence, some of which was purely gratuitous. JR> I think all of his "*.Prey" books are good. I haven't been disappointed, so far. I just found him earlier this year. DER>I also read Critical Judgement by Michael Palmer. JR> I think I'll give him a try. He's another one that I have discovered recently, and have enjoyed all that I have read, so far. I believe that he was an ER doc himself, thus all of his that I have read are based in the medical field. JR> Some one I sorely miss is John D. MacDonald and his Travis McGee JR> books. Mostly because of his rush to the poor damsel in distress JR> attitude. :) I liked some of them, but, after a while there was a certain "sameness" to all of them. Did he die? der ... Whoever said "you can't keep a good man down" didn't own a couch. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- TriToss (tm) 10.0 - #189 * Origin: TMK BBS, 509+886.7607 - 884.7237, mystique@nwinternet.com (1:344/115) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DD200003 Date: 09/01/96 From: SHELLEY GINGRICH Time: 02:55pm \/To: DELORES E ROWE (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: My eyes hurt.... DER> Will you be at the Chelan County Fair? I'll take my kid's entries, but don't think we'll go to the Fair. By the time I've spent about 65 hours at the NCW Fair I can't get too excited about Chelan Co. --- TriToss (tm) 10.0 - #189 * Origin: TMK BBS, 509+886.7607 - 884.7237, mystique@nwinternet.com (1:344/115)