--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCQ00009 Date: 08/19/96 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 06:14pm \/To: DELORES E ROWE (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Child abuse.... -=> Quoting Delores E Rowe to Robert White <=- Hello Delores, RW> But I also agree with Dennis that a lot of the coverage is simply due RW> to the sensational side of the issue. DER> IMO, unfortunately, it depends on whether or not it's a slow news day. RW> Today the kids are selling their stories to Jenny Jones and the DER> IMO, another instance of where "journalism" takes things too far in DER> order to gain audience shares and ratings. OTOH, I have seen some shows DER> that have been handles tastefully, and in such a manner that the DER> material presented was informative, and could have been beneficial to a Oprah sometimes does a better job of trying to inform and present solutions than most of the other Geraldo school of journalists; but even she stoops to crass tearjerkers and hero worshiping of Tom Cruise or Mel Gibson, especially when it's rating time. RW> Perhaps classes in parenting in high school? DER> I do believe that this is being done in many highschools. As most DER> States require both parties to obtain a blood test prior to marriage, DER> why couldn't they also provide class - say 8 hours over two nights or DER> something - that teach problem solving and resolution and parenting DER> skills? I know, probably wouldn't help and the costs would be DER> prohibitive! :( I know here in Calgary, they have a class in living skills that teaches hings like how to open a bank account and balance a checkbook, how to plan a udget, and things like that. And I know that some of the social agencies have ourse for young mothers and counseling to help them cope. Unfortunately these hings only usually reach the ones that seek them out and want help. All too many times the ones that need the help the most are the least likely to accept it. DER> To get this back on-topic, I just finished reading Tami Hoag's Cry DER> Wolf and was quite disappointed. Certainly not up to the standards of DER> Night Sins and Guilty As Sin. :( Am now reading Grisham's Runaway DER> Jury. I've never read any of Hoag's books, but she is on my list to look for; along with about 100 others of course. I read about 100 pages of Grisham's 'The Client' and pitched it into a corner. I really can't stand the way he writes. His plots are thin and illogical, and his characters tend to be real stereotypes. Now should I tell you what I don't like about his books? Bob 8-{) --- Blue Wave/Max v2.20 * Origin: TechTalk; Calgary, Alberta. V.34+ (1:134/40) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCQ00010 Date: 08/20/96 From: FRED RUNK Time: 05:06pm \/To: DELORES E ROWE (Read 3 times) Subj: Grimes and the Pubs -=>While in the White Hart, Delores E Rowe explained to Fred Runk that<=- DER> Ah, indeed, England is beautiful in the spring....but only if it DER> doesn't rain everyday, or if the fog isn't so thick that you can't see DER> a hand in front of your face! Ah, but that's the charm of England. A bright sunny day means so much more there than it does here in Tucson. DER> Good! Actually I worked across the street from St. Catherines Abbey, DER> and the building I worked in was an Inn at that time.(Mayflower). It DER> was protected by the National Trust so could not be modernized with a DER> great deal of paperwork! It still had the original muck and plaster DER> walls (whitewashed many times) and the original leaded light windows. So very atmospheric. DER> Man, what a pain they were to clean! The floors were so old, they DER> actually undulated! I worked upstairs, and was always somewhat afraid DER> that we were going to get to the ground floor a lot quicker than we DER> got up stairs! I did not have the same appreciation for things ancient DER> in my youth, as I do now. I didn't realize quite how unique my DER> surrounding were. Neither did I. Wonder if it has something to do with the passing years. . DER> How long do we have for this "fact finding" tour? FR> How long is your imagination? DER> A lot longer than the numbers in my check book!! I know what you mean. DER> Get your passports ready!! FR> Ready! DER> DER> How many are going on this trip, anyhow? I think there was a least one other who volunteered to take notes. Email: fred.runk@mbhbbs.playcom.com ... Do not judge a book by its movie. ___ X Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 X --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Fred's Place (1:300/6.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCQ00011 Date: 08/20/96 From: PATRICIA FERRARA Time: 06:58pm \/To: DENNIS MCCUNNEY (Read 3 times) Subj: Child abuse.... -=> Quoting Dennis Mccunney to Robert White <=- RW> Perhaps classes in parenting in high school? DM> DM> I don't think it would help the problems we're discussing. It might DM> help in technical matters, by teaching some of the practical elements DM> involved, the way that Home Economics classes used to try to prepare DM> women for married life. DM> DM> But the spiral of abuse we're talking about won't be cured by DM> classes in high school. Abusers are generally abused themselves, DM> and the pathological behavior we're lamenting is something learned by DM> observation and example ay a *very* early age. Yes, but many people who are abused don't WANT to continue the cycle. If it's all they grow up knowing, it's almost a foregone conclusion that they will respond to their children in the same way they were responded to. Teaching some of the practical elements involved, for those who will use them, is much better than allowing them (and their children) to be doomed to repeat the cycle without even offering them a chance to break the chain. And there ARE those who will use them. There are also those who will ignore them. And there are those who are, as you said, so damaged that they simply won't be reached by parenting classes. I like the term "spiral of abuse". It's a very appropriate way to what we're talking about. It paints a feeling of emotional vertigo, helplessness, of falling deeper and deeper into a pit of despair. Enough. To get back on topic (I've been having to say that a lot in this echo, lately), what are you reading now? I'm in the middle of one of Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe mysteries that I picked up at a Friends of The Library sale. I always seem to find at least one treasure each time I attend their sale. Patsy --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Orion's Sword | Bush, LA | (504) 867-9701 | V.* (1:3828/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCQ00012 Date: 08/20/96 From: PATRICIA FERRARA Time: 07:43pm \/To: HELEN FLEISCHER (Read 3 times) Subj: New Titles -=> Quoting HELEN FLEISCHER to Patricia Ferrara <=- HF> My memory is terrible. Several of my favorite authors were not only HF> quite prolific, writing far more titles than I can keep in my head. HF> Worse, some wrote in the days when publishers where a lot more HF> whimsical about changing titles when they re-released a book in this HF> country or even sometimes on the second UK edition. Admittedly, it's a pretty dirty trick for them to change the title when re-releasing a book. You and I hardly stand a chance. On the bright side, with my memory, I might have forgotten the story as well. HF> The Copperfield HF> List of Mystery Authors has been a real boon for those and it's small HF> enough to fit in my purse on shopping expeditions. I love this echo! I have learned so much from you all. I never heard of TCLMA. Is it revised annually? PF> Reading is a magic carpet ride, isn't it? How could anyone, PF> once they've learned to read, not enjoy it? HF> Hard to say. Now I'm in Oklahoma, by reading Jean Hager's _Ghostland_. I'm in New York with Nero Wolfe and Archie Goodwin, thanks to Rex Stout. I'm doubly grateful because it's a city that I am not interested in braving in real life... HF> I was hooked on reading before I ever started school. I can't say for sure, but I imagine I was also. I don't have any distinct memories of being read to, but I imagine I was. I'll have to ask my older sister or brother. My parents both died when I was 5. HF> Some people never try reading for pleasure and some of the HF> things they made us read in school were more than enough to put me off HF> those authors for a long time, if not reading in general. I finally cured my sister of her horrible reading habits. She was reading only for self-education... self-help books, inspiration, etc. Actually, I'm taking too much credit for her cure. Her sons (ages 16 & 17) started her on their Dean Koontz and Stephen King books. She launched into John Grisham's from there, and I reeled her in hook, line, and sinker when I handed her a Patricia Cornwell and a Jonathan Kellerman. HF> Good luck on your FOTL shopping. Perhaps by going at lunchtime HF> you'll miss the worst of the crowds? Certainly Saturday would be HF> worse than Friday. Ordinarily, things are pretty quiet there on both days. This time, there was a considerable increase in customers, but still not a crowd. Of course, I didn't go on Saturday. I came home with a big enough stack on Friday. :) TTYL! Patsy HF> ... Where am I going? And what am I doing in this handbasket? HF> * Q-Blue 1.0 * Helen Fleischer is helen@mbbs.com in Fairland, MD HF> -!- GEcho/2-PCB/2 HF> ! Origin: * MetroNet * Columbia, MD * (410) 720-5506 * (1:261/1137) --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Orion's Sword | Bush, LA | (504) 867-9701 | V.* (1:3828/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCR00000 Date: 08/19/96 From: JOHN DECHANCIE Time: 06:13pm \/To: RUSS JERNIGAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Wright On 17 Aug 96 08:33am, Russ Jernigan wrote to John Dechancie: RJ> Hi, John! RJ> Good to "see" you again. Gow is everything going? Everything's going to Gell in a gandbasket. Otherwise, fine. RJ I RJ> grew up with Wright's largest built project, the Marin County Civic RJ> Center. Also, I vacationed for years across the street from the Wright RJ> house built in Carmel-by-the-Sea in California. It didn't have a name RJ> that I know of -- it was just known as "The Frank Llyod (sp?) Wright RJ> House". Or "That crazy house," as Wright houses have been called for a century now. Just to keep on topic, this exchange has given me an idea for a murder mystery set in a FLW house. Thanks. ... "Tau, tau, carry the tau...Yeah, that's the ticket." --A. Einstein * Silver Xpress V4.3 SW11474 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA (1:129/26) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCR00001 Date: 08/21/96 From: SHELLEY GINGRICH Time: 12:26am \/To: REBEKAH DICKERSON (Read 3 times) Subj: Good Author RD> I have'nt been on this conf. long and I was just wondering if anyb RD> knows any good authors.I like stuff written by Agatha Christie RD> and Sherlock Holmes books,but I'm running out of stuff to read.I wou RD> really appreciate any suggestions. Here's my list of great mystery authors. Lillian Jackson Braun, Carolyn Hart, Nancy Pickard, Diane Mott Davidson, J.A. Jance, Tony Hillerman, Susan wittig Albert, Jonathan Kellerman, Michael Palmer - That ought to be enough for starters. You realize, I hope, that asking a question like that in a Conference like this could be dangerous to your sanity. As a very busy Mom to 2 very busy girls,I tend to read the "light stuff" more often than not. I enjoy the little gimmcks that many of these authors employ - for example, Braun's mysteries are solved by Siamese cats, while Davidson's heroine is a caterer who includes recipes in each book. Happy Reading. 8-) --- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #189 * Origin: TMK BBS - 509.886.7607 - mystique@nwinternet.com (1:344/115.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCR00002 Date: 08/21/96 From: SHELLEY GINGRICH Time: 12:32am \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: good read I just recently discovered an author I'd never tried. His name is Dave Pedneau. His characters are Whit Pynchon, who works for the DA's office, and Anna Tyree, a newspaper reporter. The books are named after common police acronyms - DOA, AKA, etc. I can't find BOLO and writing to the publisher gave me no help. Any suggestions ? Having fun reading messages, but I've added several new authors to my "must read" list, and it's already way too long. So many books, so little time. Sigh. --- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #189 * Origin: TMK BBS - 509.886.7607 - mystique@nwinternet.com (1:344/115.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCR00003 Date: 08/21/96 From: HELEN FLEISCHER Time: 11:09am \/To: PATRICIA FERRARA (Read 3 times) Subj: New Titles PF> Admittedly, it's a pretty dirty trick for them to change PF> the title when re-releasing a book. You and I hardly PF> stand a chance. On the bright side, with my memory, I PF> might have forgotten the story as well. Alas, Upfield stories seem unforgettable. ;) I do plan to re-read them all, in order, once I finally find the two I'm missing. By then I may have forgotten enough of the details, but I bet I'll enjoy them even if I haven't. PF> I love this echo! I have learned so much from you all. PF> I never heard of TCLMA. Is it revised annually? I don't know if it's still available. I have two copies; my old reliable and a newer edition I bought when I couldn't find my old one. The magic worked, I found the old one once I bought a new one. The only place I've ever seen it was at the Mystery Bookshop in Bethesda and I hear from people who've gone looking for it recently that they couldn't find a copy. {Right, Suzze?} PF> I'm in New York with Nero Wolfe and Archie Goodwin, thanks PF> to Rex Stout. I'm doubly grateful because it's a city that PF> I am not interested in braving in real life... Same here! I go a lot of places in mysteries that I'm just as glad I don't have to visit in person. PF> I can't say for sure, but I imagine I was also. I don't PF> have any distinct memories of being read to, but I imagine I PF> was. PF> I'll have to ask my older sister or brother. My parents PF> both died when I was 5. I'm pretty sure I was read to from a very early age, though I don't recall it. I do remember lying on my tummy on the piano bench reading my own books before I ever started first grade. I think the fact that I would spin round on the bench between pages convinced my parents I wasn't quite ready for school. ;) PF> I finally cured my sister of her horrible reading habits. PF> She was reading only for self-education... self-help books, PF> inspiration, etc. Actually, I'm taking too much Mercy! There's more fiction in most of those than the average mystery. PF> Ordinarily, things are pretty quiet there on both days. Lucky you. Our library's book sales are a fire marshall's nightmare, they're so crowded. Current Read: Now I'm in Moscow, in the winter of 1951, reading _Murder Through the Looking Glass_ by Andrew Garve. Talk about going places you can't go in real life! ... If you build no castles in the air, you build no castles anywhere. * Q-Blue 1.0 * Helen Fleischer is helen@mbbs.com in Fairland, MD --- GEcho/2-PCB/2 * Origin: * MetroNet * Columbia, MD * (410) 720-5506 * (1:261/1137) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCR00004 Date: 08/21/96 From: HELEN FLEISCHER Time: 11:09am \/To: JOHN DECHANCIE (Read 3 times) Subj: Wright JD> Just to keep on topic, this exchange has given me an idea for a JD> murder mystery set in a FLW house. Thanks. Well, that's good news! I've been wondering if there was such a thing ever since this thread started. Then I hoped if there wasn't that maybe you'd get round to writing one. Do tell us when it's done and published! Not that I'm impatient or anything. ;) I have to confess to having 2 books of yours on my to-read shelf that I haven't gotten to yet. SF/fantasy rarely rises to the top when I reach for the next book, lately. Have you written any mysteries before? ... No matter what it is, it's more important than housework. * Q-Blue 1.0 * Helen Fleischer is helen@mbbs.com in Fairland, MD --- GEcho/2-PCB/2 * Origin: * MetroNet * Columbia, MD * (410) 720-5506 * (1:261/1137) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCR00005 Date: 08/21/96 From: BELLE BIJOU Time: 11:28pm \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 3 times) Subj: Child abuse.... I'd like to say to , Robert White (1:134/40) who said: >I'm about half way throught Edna Buchanan's 'Suitable for Framing' and it >is >great. You were certainly right thinking that I would like her and the >Florida setting. She certainly does nothing to enhance the appeal of >Miami >though. The local C of C would probably just as soon lynch her! I thought you'd enjoy her. Her constant on-going descriptions of the every day lunacy of the place are just mind boggling, aren't they? And you know that given her background, most of them are probably true! --- msged 2.05 * Origin: 1:109/253 Dinah's Scrabblemania (1:109/253)