--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCM00001 Date: 08/16/96 From: DELORES E ROWE Time: 10:03pm \/To: SHELLEY GINGRICH (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: J.A. Jance -=> On 08-14-96 23:10, Shelley Gingrich said something about J.A. Jance to der....... Hi Shelley... SG> While eavesdropping on your conversation with russ Jernigan, I SG> noticed you haven't read J.A. Jance. You really must put her on your SG> To Read list. Not only are they fun to read with an enjoyable hero, SG> but the series is set mostly in seattle. I get a kick out of reading SG> about sights and places I am familiar with. You might,too. I did that! :) I just finished Tami Hoag's Cry Wolf and was quite disappointed. I did not enjoy it anywhere near as much as the first two I read. :( SG> See you at the Scrabble game :) Shelley Well, you beat me that time! Play again? der ... A woman is not old until regrets take the place of dreams ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #189 * Origin: TMK BBS - 509.886.7607 - mystique@nwinternet.com (1:344/115.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCM00002 Date: 08/16/96 From: DELORES E ROWE Time: 10:25pm \/To: SUZZE TIERNAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Grimes * Carbons Sent to: Fred Runk -=> On 08-14-96 13:30, Suzze Tiernan said something about Grimes to der....... -=> Quoting Fred Runk to Suzze Tiernan <=- Hi guys and gals.... DER> Yes, that's what Fred told me. I think it would be kinda fun to do DER> the research for her books! Considering that even the smallest DER> village has at least one pub, it could be a life long project!! ST> Can I join you? I'll take notes for you. FR> I'll volunteer to carry your notebook and writing materials. ST> We'll have a great time together - anyone else want to join? This must have originally been in one of the mail packets I lost when I was setting up my new communications program! What a wonderful idea! I know exactly where we'll start...The White Hart...in Witley, Surrey. Beautiful little pub, established before the Pilgrim set off on their great adventure. There's an old Church just up the hill a little way that was built in Norman times. Let's see, what else would you like to see? If we go in the spring, there is wonderful wooded area just down the road where the blue bells are so thick that it looks like blue grass, and aroma is heavenly. There is a little brook to paddle in, or a nice quiet lake to fish for trout... About ten miles from there is Guildford...the highstreet is paved with cobblestones laid by the Romans, there are the ruins of St. Catherines Abbey, which Henry VIII burned during his great snit, the Cathedral, a really nice little pub just down the hill from St Catherines, where the Pilgrims actually stayed on their journey to the Mayflower... How long do we have for this "fact finding" tour? Get your passports ready!! der ... Dogs come when called. Cats have answering machines. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #189 * Origin: TMK BBS - 509.886.7607 - mystique@nwinternet.com (1:344/115.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCM00003 Date: 08/16/96 From: DELORES E ROWE Time: 10:25pm \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Grimes * Original msg to: Suzze Tiernan -=> On 08-14-96 13:30, Suzze Tiernan said something about Grimes to der....... -=> Quoting Fred Runk to Suzze Tiernan <=- Hi guys and gals.... DER> Yes, that's what Fred told me. I think it would be kinda fun to do DER> the research for her books! Considering that even the smallest DER> village has at least one pub, it could be a life long project!! ST> Can I join you? I'll take notes for you. FR> I'll volunteer to carry your notebook and writing materials. ST> We'll have a great time together - anyone else want to join? This must have originally been in one of the mail packets I lost when I was setting up my new communications program! What a wonderful idea! I know exactly where we'll start...The White Hart...in Witley, Surrey. Beautiful little pub, established before the Pilgrim set off on their great adventure. There's an old Church just up the hill a little way that was built in Norman times. Let's see, what else would you like to see? If we go in the spring, there is wonderful wooded area just down the road where the blue bells are so thick that it looks like blue grass, and aroma is heavenly. There is a little brook to paddle in, or a nice quiet lake to fish for trout... About ten miles from there is Guildford...the highstreet is paved with cobblestones laid by the Romans, there are the ruins of St. Catherines Abbey, which Henry VIII burned during his great snit, the Cathedral, a really nice little pub just down the hill from St Catherines, where the Pilgrims actually stayed on their journey to the Mayflower... How long do we have for this "fact finding" tour? Get your passports ready!! der ... Dogs come when called. Cats have answering machines. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #189 * Origin: TMK BBS - 509.886.7607 - mystique@nwinternet.com (1:344/115.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCM00004 Date: 08/16/96 From: RUSS JERNIGAN Time: 07:46pm \/To: DELORES E ROWE (Read 3 times) Subj: Research Hi, Delores! DER> DER>What are you researching? DER> RJ> I'm working on a PhD in Civil Engineering out here at the University DER> RJ> of Colorado at Boulder. Specifically, I'm doing research on soils wit DER> RJ> scattered large (gravel) pieces surrounded by much smaller (fine sand) DER> RJ> material. DER>With respects to what? Stability? Erosion? Water run-off? Stability of slopes and strengths for designing foundations, piles, and suchlike. DER> DER>What are you reading...apart from research material!? DER> RJ> Recently, I've been hooked by J.A. Jance. Working my way through a DER> RJ> string of her novels. Good mysteries and an interesting continued DER> RJ> story line. DER>Hmm. I don't think I am familiar with any of her works? Is she fairly DER>recent? No, there are a good 10 or more novels out. Mostly she writes about a homicide dective in Seattle (who inherited money but keeps working anyway). She also has a much shorter series about a female Arizonia country Sheriff, plus a few stand-a-lones. Just finished Tom Clancy's _Executive Orders_ and Simionsen's (sp?) _Mudlark_. Both good if not great reads. Best, RussJ * SLMR 2.1a * The discipline I most resent is self-imposed -brilliant --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: Rams' Island BBS (1:104/333.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCM00005 Date: 08/17/96 From: BETH FRIEDMAN Time: 05:31pm \/To: MAUREEN GOLDMAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Pat Wrede's web page BF> Interesting. What's the URL, if you remember? MG> www.io.com/~eighner/wbuild/html Aha. That must be Lars Eighner's web page; he used to be active on the WRITING echo, which is where the fantasy world-building stuff was posted originally. I don't suppose there's any chance of you coming back? --- Sirius 1.0ya * Origin: Beth's Point: Minneapolis, MN (1:282/26.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCM00006 Date: 08/16/96 From: JAN MURPHY Time: 07:05am \/To: DENNIS MCCUNNEY (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Preferred Authors > What sells quickly is always a concern, but it's a bigger > one for the > bookstore than the publisher. Any retailer has to generate > the maximum > amount of sales/sq foot possible, and stuff that doesn't > move gets > returned. I think you are missing something here. Publishers need stuff to sell quickly just as much as bookstores do -- they can't afford to have their warehouse space or capital tied up any more than we do. In particular, I'd say they would want stuff to sell quickly and to sell *through* (i.e. not get returned to them by stores, especially the hardcovers). And here's another new wrinkle that has cropped up -- a couple of the major used bookstores in town don't take mystery hardcovers in trade anymore. Zilch. Nada. So if the book is out of print, and you want the hardcover, you shop somewhere else or do without. Why they don't take them, I don't know. Do mystery fans buy fewer used hardcovers than other used book buyers? --- Opus-CBCS 1.73a * Origin: Sci-Fido II, World's Oldest SF BBS, Berkeley, CA (1:161/84.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCM00007 Date: 08/17/96 From: JOHN DECHANCIE Time: 09:20am \/To: DEBBIE SHANKER (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Flw On 16 Aug 96 08:20pm, Debbie Shanker wrote to John Dechancie: DS> I had the librarians at work do a search for you today. It DS> seems Rochester's Frank Lloyd Wright house is in the DS> Prairie style and was commissioned by Edward Boynton. The DS> I copied a bunch of pages and pictures from a few books. DS> If you send me your address, I'll send what I have to you. Thanks, but no need. I have many books on Wright, and I can look it up. His houses are the most photographed in the world. At one time I would have given anything to live in a Wright house; lately, though, modernism has begun to pall on me. What I once viewed as daring now seems merely boisterous. What was once cleanly geometric now appears tacky and simplistic. Another thing I've noticed. Modern architecture does not weather well. Those clean surfaces become mottled and blotched, and the entire structure looks threadbare and makeshift. The International Style is especially vulnerable to the passing of time. All those Mies van der Rohe glass boxes in cities all over the world look sadly dated now. Wright's structures suffer as well, but not as badly. Some of his pure genius might...just might stand the test of time eventually. But Gropius and the lot, no. They are destined for the dustbin of art history. As I said, once I would have loved to live in a Wright house -- but lately I'm more attracted to the other styles -- Gothic Revival and High Victorian -- that were prevalent during Wright's earliest period. ... Failure Writing to Drive C: So, how's it going otherwise? * Silver Xpress V4.3 SW11474 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA (1:129/26) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCN00000 Date: 08/17/96 From: FRED RUNK Time: 01:04pm \/To: DELORES E ROWE (Read 3 times) Subj: Grimes and the Pub tour -=>While in the White Hart, Delores E Rowe explained to Fred Runk that<=- DER> I know exactly where we'll start...The White Hart...in Witley, Surrey. DER> Beautiful little pub, established before the Pilgrim set off on their DER> great adventure. There's an old Church just up the hill a little way DER> that was built in Norman times. Let's see, what else would you like to DER> see? If we go in the spring, there is wonderful wooded area just down DER> the road where the blue bells are so thick that it looks like blue DER> grass, and aroma is heavenly. There is a little brook to paddle in, DER> or a nice quiet lake to fish for trout... "Oh, to be in England Now that April's there And whoever wakes in England Sees, some morning, unaware, That the lowest boughs and the brushwood sheaf Round the elm-tree bole are in tiny leaf, While the chaffinch sings on the orchaard bough In England--now! - Browning - DER> About ten miles from there is Guildford...the highstreet is paved with DER> cobblestones laid by the Romans, there are the ruins of St. Catherines DER> Abbey, which Henry VIII burned during his great snit, the Cathedral, a DER> really nice little pub just down the hill from St Catherines, where DER> the Pilgrims actually stayed on their journey to the Mayflower... Works for me.... DER> How long do we have for this "fact finding" tour? How long is your imagination? DER> Get your passports ready!! Ready! Email: fred.runk@mbhbbs.playcom.com ... "The ballot is stronger than the bullet." Abraham Lincoln ___ X Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 X --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Fred's Place (1:300/6.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCN00001 Date: 08/17/96 From: DELORES E ROWE Time: 09:52pm \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Child abuse.... -=> On 08-13-96 10:40, Robert White said something about Child abuse.... to der....... Hello, Robert... -=> Quoting Dennis Mccunney to Delores E Rowe <=- DER> As someone who suffered physical, sexual and emotional abuse as a DER> child, I guess I have the mentality that the more people are made aware RW> I have to agree with Delores that casting a lot more light on the RW> problem may be part of the solution to a large and persistant crime and RW> social problem. DM> Is child abuse *really* more prevalent, or is it simply more likely DM> to be *reported*? That emphasis by papers looking to build RW> But I also agree with Dennis that a lot of the coverage is simply due RW> to the sensational side of the issue. IMO, unfortunately, it depends on whether or not it's a slow news day. :( If there is no natural disaster or politcal muck-raking to write about, then somethings are likely to be "enhanced" for sensationalism. There will also be cases that will be reported before the sources are checked for authenticity, which, in the long run, does more harm than good. DM> so it *appears* more prevalent. But I suspect this may not be the DM> case, and that actual abuse may not be all that much greater than it DM> used to be. It is simply more likely to be discovered. RW> Fortunately, I was not abused as a child; but I can now look back and RW> recognize that other kids that I knew were being abused, many of them RW> sexually. At the time I was growing up, society tended to turn a blind RW> eye on such things unless it got really public. Not only that, using a belt as a means of correction was not unusual in many areas. RW> Today the kids are selling their stories to Jenny Jones and the RW> parents are on Oprah. Is this good or bad? I really don't know, and I RW> suspect we will have to wait a generation or so to see how this RW> exposure works. IMO, another instance of where "journalism" takes things too far in order to gain audience shares and ratings. OTOH, I have seen some shows that have been handles tastefully, and in such a manner that the material presented was informative, and could have been beneficial to a person looking for help. DM> difficult to break. There are large numbers of folks out thre who DM> are really unfit to be parents, but how do you identify them and DM> prevent problems? RW> All too true, and I'm not sure what the solution is here either. RW> Perhaps classes in parenting in high school? I do believe that this is being done in many highschools. As most States require both parties to obtain a blood test prior to marriage, why couldn't they also provide class - say 8 hours over two nights or something - that teach problem solving and resolution and parenting skills? I know, probably wouldn't help and the costs would be prohibitive! :( To get this back on-topic, I just finished reading Tami Hoag's Cry Wolf and was quite disappointed. Certainly not up to the standards of Night Sins and Guilty As Sin. :( Am now reading Grisham's Runaway Jury. der ... ...Talk is cheap....until Congress does it! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #189 * Origin: TMK BBS - 509.886.7607 - mystique@nwinternet.com (1:344/115.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCN00002 Date: 08/17/96 From: RUSS JERNIGAN Time: 08:33am \/To: JOHN DECHANCIE (Read 3 times) Subj: Wright Hi, John! Good to "see" you again. Gow is everything going? JD>The first Taliesin was in Spring Green, Wisconsin. It still stands, and s JD>still owned by the Taliesin Fellowship, composed of Wright acolytes. JD>(Taliesin West is in Arizona. The Fellowship summers back in Wisonsin, JD>winters in Scottsdale.) This carousel horse collection rings a bell. Did i JD>belong to Wright or some other eccentric? JD>Where is your town and what Wright house is there? I know this wasn't to me but I thought that I'd throw my $0.02 in. I grew up with Wright's largest built project, the Marin County Civic Center. Also, I vacationed for years across the street from the Wright house built in Carmel-by-the-Sea in California. It didn't have a name that I know of -- it was just known as "The Frank Llyod (sp?) Wright House". Best, RussJ * SLMR 2.1a * Life is a moving target. -bj --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: Rams' Island BBS (1:104/333.0)