--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCL00000 Date: 08/15/96 From: DEBBIE SHANKER Time: 08:51pm \/To: SUZZE TIERNAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Private Library > I'm reading "A Monstrous Regiment of > Women", the sequel to "The Beekeeper's Apprentice" which I LOVED. > This > one is much slower going, andf I have read almost 200 pages... I adored Beekeeper...and was truly disappointed with MRW. It seemed to lose the "magic" of Beekeeper. I'm wondering if the new one coming up will be able to capture the fun of the first one. I thought King's "With Child", the third in her "Grave Talent" series was excellent and hope that there is more to come with those characters. <<< Debbie >>> --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: chocolate, Chocolate, CHOCOLATE: Roch, NY (1:2613/321.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCL00001 Date: 08/15/96 From: DEBBIE SHANKER Time: 08:55pm \/To: SUZZE TIERNAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Books > -=> Quoting Debbie Shanker to Suzze Tiernan <=- >> DS> Did you say recently that you had read Alan Russell's new book, >> DS> "Multiple Wounds"? I finished it last night and thought it was >> DS> terrific!! I've been telling everyone at the library about it and ot >> DS> two regulars to put it on reserve. >> Yes, I loved it. Didn't want it to end. Maybe he'll write another >> with the same character(s)? > DS> That would be great. This book is so different from the hotel series. > Very. I hope he does write more of the Am books though. What are Am books? >> BTW, I did get the package of picnic pictures with nary a note. >> What am I supposed to do with them? Pass them on? > DS> He says they're yours to keep. He had a couple of extra sets made up. > DS> You got one of them. > Far out! > Did Steve tell you I got a job - in the Mystery bookstore???????? > Save my soul! Talk about a job that is perfect for a person!! You are going to have a blast! It's so much fun to talk to people about books that you each love. I bet your To Read pile will continue to grow.... <<< Debbie >>> --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: chocolate, Chocolate, CHOCOLATE: Roch, NY (1:2613/321.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCL00002 Date: 08/15/96 From: DEBBIE SHANKER Time: 09:17pm \/To: JOHN DECHANCIE (Read 3 times) Subj: Flw > On 12 Aug 96 07:15am, Debbie Shanker wrote to Robert White: >>> There is a tourist trap located near Spring Green, Wisconsin >>> called The House >>> on the Hill. The house was designed and built by a wealthy >>> acrhitect and it > DS> I thought Taliasin was out in Arizona or Nevada or such. > DS> Didn't realize there was another similar house. I've read a > DS> lot about it and would love to see it. We have a F L Wright > DS> house right here in town but have never gone to seen it > The first Taliesin was in Spring Green, Wisconsin. It still > stands, and is > still owned by the Taliesin Fellowship, composed of Wright > acolytes. > (Taliesin West is in Arizona. The Fellowship summers back in > Wisonsin, winters in Scottsdale.) It must have been the Taliesin West that I had read about. I think it was in a Smithsonian Magazine or something of that sort a number of years back. The pictures were marvelous. > This carousel horse collection rings a > bell. Did it > belong to Wright or some other eccentric? Had never heard of it til Robert mentioned it the other day. > Where is your town and what Wright house is there? Rochester, NY. And I'm embarrassed to say I've never had a chance to go through it. I believe it's now privately owned and every once in a while, the Sunday newspaper runs an article about it with pictures of the inside. I've just gone rummaging through my bookcase and can't find any of the articles...I'm a pack rat but have no order nor filing system...just piles of stuff. I'll probably find an article about it next week while looking for something else . If I remember, (my memory is just as bad as my filing system), I'll check at the library tomorrow and see if I can find something current on the house. <<< Debbie >>> --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: chocolate, Chocolate, CHOCOLATE: Roch, NY (1:2613/321.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCL00003 Date: 08/15/96 From: DENNIS MCCUNNEY Time: 09:04pm \/To: SUSAN BULLA (Read 3 times) Subj: Summer reading ** From Susan Bulla to Dennis Mccunney on 13 Aug 96 18:18:01 ** Summer reading DM> We know enough about biology and biochemistry to have a good idea of DM> what is and isn't transmissable between humans and animals. For it to DM> happen at all, the species in question have to have *very* similar DM> biochemistries, so that a minor mutation in the bug can enable it to DM> thrive in the new environment. Humans and apes are both primates, so DM> there may be some reason for concern. Humans and dogs are way too far DM> apart to worry about germs/viruses being transmissible. SB> No thanks, I think I'll keep this on my "worry list", but I agree SB> it's 'way on down there! Far enough down that it's not on my worry list at all. DM> it, tug off the diaper, clean the kid (guess how!), and try to bury the DM> dirty diaper. No report on whether the dog tended to throw up a lot or DM> have the runs, but it wouldn't be a big surprise if it did... SB> Eeeeewwwwww! Indeed. I think the parent's response was similar but stronger when they found out what was happening. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: * BlueDog BBS * (212) 594-4425 * NYC FileBone Hub (1:278/304) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCL00004 Date: 08/16/96 From: DENNIS MCCUNNEY Time: 02:08am \/To: JAN MURPHY (Read 3 times) Subj: Preferred Authors ** From Jan Murphy to Sam Waring on 06 Aug 96 20:53:41 ** Preferred Authors JM> Speaking of stuff being out of print, this is probably a good JM> opportunity to remind people that books, at least in the US, have a JM> shorter and shorter 'shelf life' these days. Publishing decisions are JM> being made more and more on the basis of what-sells-quickly rather JM> than what is good. Of course you know this already, Sam, but maybe JM> others don't realize that some paperbacks can go out of print in as JM> little as 90 days, and the publisher isn't always ready to reprint JM> them when they do. So I encourage anyone who has a 'favorite' author JM> to 1) buy their books NEW whenever possible -- at least in the US, it JM> doesn't benefit the author one bit if you just read their book at the JM> library and 2) don't wait around when you see a new paperback come JM> out, since there is no guarantee it will be around tomorrow. Buy it JM> before it disappears, and buy it early so the bookstore will have a JM> chance to reorder it before it goes out of print. The problem has been around for a while, and isn't totally related to publisher greed. One of the pet peeves over on the SF echo is the Thor Power Tools case. This concerned a tax court decision that had wide ranging effects on how companies valued inventory in warehouses for tax purposes. While it wasn't directly concerned with publishers, the end result of the court decision was to make it a *lot* more expensive for publishers to keep books in inventory, with a side-effect of putting a lot of books out of print quickly, as publishers declared them OOP and destroyed them rather than paying large taxes on their supposed value. Genre titles are less affected by this than mainstream works: they are more likely to be consistent backlist sellers and get reprinted. An additional concern is the number of new books published vs. the average bookstore's shelf space. The last numbers I saw (years old and out-of-date) had something like 50,000 new titles published per year, with the average bookstore able to stock between 5,000 and 8,000 titles at any one time. The competition for retail space is fierce, and has led to publishers releasing books they know aren't up to snuff because they had nothing else available to fill the release schedule that month, and if they released three titles in a category like mysteries, rather than the four they normally released, they might just lose the shelf space the fourth would have gotten and not get it back. What sells quickly is always a concern, but it's a bigger one for the bookstore than the publisher. Any retailer has to generate the maximum amount of sales/sq foot possible, and stuff that doesn't move gets returned. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: * BlueDog BBS * (212) 594-4425 * NYC FileBone Hub (1:278/304) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCL00005 Date: 08/16/96 From: DEBBIE SHANKER Time: 08:20pm \/To: JOHN DECHANCIE (Read 3 times) Subj: Flw > Where is your town and what Wright house is there? Hello again, I had the librarians at work do a search for you today. It seems Rochester's Frank Lloyd Wright house is in the Prairie style and was commissioned by Edward Boynton. The dining room has the original furniture, carpet, lighting fixtures and hardware which were designed by Wright. It was built in 907-08. Title to the house was acquired in 1968 by the Landmark Society. It is being lived in but the occupants must abide by certain "restrictive covenants in the deed" assuring its preservation. I copied a bunch of pages and pictures from a few books. If you send me your address, I'll send what I have to you. Now I'll have to cruise by and take a look at it personally <<< Debbie >>> --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: chocolate, Chocolate, CHOCOLATE: Roch, NY (1:2613/321.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCL00006 Date: 08/16/96 From: DEBBIE SHANKER Time: 08:43pm \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 3 times) Subj: Carousels > -=> Quoting Debbie Shanker to Robert White <=- > Hello Debbie, >> There is a tourist trap located near Spring Green, Wisconsin >> called The House on the Hill. The house was designed and built by a > snip >> entire carousel with something like 100 animals on it and not one > DS> An entire menagerie carousel!! I assume its just a showpiece and > DS> doesn't actually run.... I have a carousel meeting tonight and will > The carousel runs (as I remember) but you can't ride it. I never > would have > guessed that there was such a thing as a club devoted to > carousels! I've heard > of the groups of fanatics who are devoted to rollercoasters, so I > guess this is a similar fascination. Actually, I'm pretty new to this. I've always loved carousels and figured I was weird or something . But the local paper carried a story about a Friends of the Roch. Carousel group a few years ago and I found lots of people who are even crazier about them then me! We meet once a month and do fund raising and educational projects about "our" 1905 Denzel to just about anyone who is interested. We take part in a large fund raising project every June and sell Tshirts with 4 photos of our menagerie animals on it. Each year either in the spring or fall, we get together and wash down each of the animals with cloths and toothbrushes. It's great fun and we take great pride in our antique. Most of us try to visit other carousels and we try to learn as much about the different carvers and original companies as we can. Needless to say we all collect books and pictures and paintings of the animals. The internet has a great web site on carousels with lots of pix. > DS> discussion. I thought Taliasin was out in Arizona or Nevada or such. > DS> Didn't realize there was another similar house. I've read a lot about > Wright had two studio-homes, one in Arizonia for the winter, and > the one in > Wisconsin for the summer. Both are still schools of architecture > and working studios. > DS> it and would love to see it. We have a F L Wright house right here in > It's amazing where you find a Wright design now and then. I > stumbled on one in > the town of McCook, Neb. a few years ago when I was working in > that area. He > was a visionary and an important influence especially in the way > he used 'new' > materials like concrete & glass blocks, plywood, etc. They have an > annual > event in the Chicago area where a number of FLW's houses are open > to the > public, and they provide maps and a route to drive past many > others. The tour > sells out quickly & is a bit pricy, but I may have to make the > pilgrimage one of these days. We did some research at the library today and I found some tidbits on the Roch. FL Wright house. Its a beautiful house..found some great pictures of it. I'm fascinated by his houses..not sure I could live in one (I'm partial to early american myself) but they are gorgeous to look at. I'm not sure about when or if it's open to the public but since it's part of the Landmark Society, I'd imagine once or twice a year they do have some showings. > Glad I could add a bit of knowledge about your interest, and I'll > look for the > brochure to The House on the Hill (I think we saved it) and see if > there is any more about the carousel in it. That would be great. A few in the group actually spend their vacations going from park to park to see all of the well known ones. <<< Debbie >>> --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: chocolate, Chocolate, CHOCOLATE: Roch, NY (1:2613/321.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCL00007 Date: 08/16/96 From: MAUREEN GOLDMAN Time: 12:11pm \/To: BETH FRIEDMAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Pat Wrede's web page On (15 Aug 96) Beth Friedman wrote to Maureen Goldman... MG> Someone else is apparently behind it, but this is her MG> website. Or at least it is hers in the sense of an MG> authorized website for, say, a TV show. BF> Interesting. What's the URL, if you remember? I'll try to remember to look the next time that I'm on. I feel that you could find it, though, through the search engines. I only learned about it because it was mentioned in an electronic newsletter for writers - all the world-building rules are there, which makes it a valuable utility. ... Am I free? No, but I AM on special this week. --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: Point of No Deposit, No Return (1:153/404.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCL00008 Date: 08/16/96 From: MAUREEN GOLDMAN Time: 12:16pm \/To: MAUREEN GOLDMAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Pat Wrede's web page On (16 Aug 96) Maureen Goldman wrote to Beth Friedman... MG> Someone else is apparently behind it, but this is her MG> website. Or at least it is hers in the sense of an MG> authorized website for, say, a TV show. BF> Interesting. What's the URL, if you remember? www.io.com/~eighner/wbuild/html The fantasy-building material was mentioned in the July issue of Inklings. I downloaded it, zipped, from a different site, also run by Eighner, I believe. Sent an email saying that the zipped version would be a really good addition at the main site, too, since it is all divided by aspects (history of fantasy world, religion, etc.) ... Even in my darkest silence, I hear a voice of rage and ruin, in stereo. --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: Point of No Deposit, No Return (1:153/404.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DCM00000 Date: 08/17/96 From: BELLE BIJOU Time: 02:11am \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 3 times) Subj: Child abuse.... I'd like to say to , Robert White (1:134/40) who said: -=> Quoting Dennis Mccunney to Delores E Rowe <=- DM> Is child abuse *really* more prevalent, or is it simply more likely DM> to be *reported*? That emphasis by papers looking to build >But I also agree with Dennis that a lot of the coverage is simply due to >the sensational side of the issue. DM> so it *appears* more prevalent. But I suspect this may not be the DM> case, and that actual abuse may not be all that much greater than it DM> used to be. It is simply more likely to be discovered. I'm afraid that it really is possible that there is more child abuse now, and an awfully lot of it is the direct result of drug abuse. When you add the fact that drugs are readily available to kids, you end up with kids having kids in addition to their drug problems. Every time I hear someone talk about legalizing drugs, I feel a bit murderous (I can confess that HERE, can't I?) and I'd like to drag them off to see some abandoned crack babies. --- msged 2.05 * Origin: 1:109/253 Dinah's Scrabblemania (1:109/253)