--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DAB00015 Date: 06/02/96 From: DOROTHY REYNOLDS Time: 06:17pm \/To: PATRICIA FERRARA (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Imagination -=> Quoting Patricia Ferrara to Dorothy Reynolds <=- -=> Quoting Dorothy Reynolds to Belle Bijou <=- dr> Why is it that whenever they make a movie from some of these good dr> books, they manage to mess it up? dr> I'm not much of a TV fan anyhow. Prefer reading. Leaves more to dr> the imagination. PF> I think you managed to answer your own question there, Dorothy. Guess I did. Added the prefer reading as an afterthought and didn't realize I had answered the question. Tend to do that a lot. :} PF> Reading allows you to conjure up your personal vision of what PF> is being described. When everything is presented to you on PF> screen you are limited not only to what the film maker PF> envisioned, but also to what the filmmaker is capable of PF> transferring from his own imagination to the screen. Given PF> how vastly one person's tastes and perceptions can differ PF> from another's, filmmakers seem destined to disappoint more PF> people (who read the book) than they are going to please. Your explanation is great. I suppose it is in the eye of the beholder. I love the written word and if I run across something that particularly strikes me, will often read it until I have it memorized. It's kind of like the words to a song. A beautiful melody is just that and pleasing to the ear, but beautiful words added to the melody is double the pleasure. What makes me feel badly about a filmmaker ruining a good book with a bad film, it tends to turn a potential reader away from the book and what a loss to the author. Humans being what they are, they think, "I hated the movie, so I don't want to read any books by this author." Unfair, but often happens. Of course, the author doesn't have to sell the movie rights, but unfortunately, the Almighty Dollar does tend to corrupt one's better judgement. PF> I do like to watch movies, but with one exception, I have yet PF> to see one compare favorably with the book it was adapted from. PF> The exception, for me, is Gone With The Wind. Ah yes. Gone With The Wind. A classic. Funny you should mention that one, as I was thinking the same thing. Too bad Margaret Mitchell didn't live long enough to receive the rewards for not only her book, but the movie as well. I truly believe she would have gone on to bigger and better things had she lived. PF> Oddly enough, I occasionally find myself reading a good mystery PF> and thinking, "This would make a GREAT movie!" I chalk it off PF> to a malfunction of brain circuitry, and usually come to my PF> senses quickly enough. I do the same thing, then my next thought is, Naw, the movie makers would probably find some way to screw it up. I loved Elmore Leonard's Get Shorty, but didn't go see the movie, even though it got rave reviews. May see it one of these days, just to see if it detracts too much from the book. I do like to watch movies, in fact, am an Old Movie buff. Those were the days when they made wonderful movies, and many times from excellent books, but they are a rarity these days. A bunch of pretty faces with few acting skills, marching woodenly across the screen, mouthing four letter words that lend nothing to the story. But today's viewing public seems to eat it up. I'm not a prude, by any means, but one can only stomach so much dirty language before it becomes disgusting. Well I'll get off my soap box now. Nice to hear from you, Patricia. Stay in touch. Sincerely, Dorothy PF> Patsy PF> -!- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 PF> ! Origin: Orion's Sword | Bush, LA | (504) 867-9701 | V.* (1:3828/1) ... Perhaps imagination is only intelligence having fun. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- GEcho/32 1.20/Pro * Origin: Pacific Rim Information -=- San Diego, CA -=- (1:202/711) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DAB00016 Date: 06/02/96 From: DOROTHY REYNOLDS Time: 06:35pm \/To: BELLE BIJOU (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Susan Isaacs -=> Quoting Belle Bijou to Dorothy Reynolds <=- BB> I'd like to say to , dorothy reynolds (1:202/711.3) who said: BB>I think that COMPROMISING POSITIONS was her best book. It was also her BB> firs BB> Raul Julie and Susan Sarandan starred in the movie, which (unhappily) BB> was BB>just okay. > Why is it that >whenever they make a movie from some of these good books, they manage to >mess it up? Case in point. Last night I watched V.I. Warshawski on TV, >(Sara Paretsky's protaganist), Played by Kathleen Turner, and frankly >was quite disappointed. Nothing like the exciting woman she is in the >books. Happens a lot, and it's too bad. BB> Yes, I feel like I've been waiting ages for someone to make a movie BB> based on James Lee Burke's books, and "Heaven's Prisoners" has gotten BB> pretty mediocre reviews. All seem to agree that Alec Baldwin was BB> miscast - which was certainly my first reaction! BB> I've seen a lot of discussion about James Lee Burke here, and definitely plan to read him. We have a whole bunch of his books in our private library in the building. My to read list is so long, I don't have enough hours in the day to read and do my own writing. Sometimes I think I need to clone myself so I can do both at once. Tee hee. As for Alec Baldwin, he's not my favorite actor anyhow. Maybe I have seen him miscast too many times? Unfortunately, this often happens to actors and they never really get a chance to show their true talent-if they have any. What role did Alec play in Heaven's Prisoners? Would like to know so when I get around to reading the book, I'll see if I can picture who would have been better for the role. Oh the little games we play in our heads. Are you still writing Belle? Hope so. Let me know how it's going. Ever in friendship, Dorothy BB> -!- msged 2.05 BB> ! Origin: 1:109/253 Dinah's Scrabblemania (1:109/253) ... I know I have a clean mind, I change it often enough.. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- GEcho/32 1.20/Pro * Origin: Pacific Rim Information -=- San Diego, CA -=- (1:202/711) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DAB00017 Date: 06/02/96 From: DOROTHY REYNOLDS Time: 06:47pm \/To: BELLE BIJOU (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Sara Paretsky -=> Quoting Belle Bijou to Dorothy Reynolds <=- BB> I wonder, since you like Sara Paretsky, if you've read her WINDY CITY BB> BLUES yet? It's her latest and is a book of stort stories, which I BB> usually do not enjoy, but I enjoyed these stories even more than I do BB> her books. BB> No, I haven't read that one yet. I'm reading BURN MARKS at the moment. This is the second one of hers I've read. Can't remember the other one, but I liked it. I'll probably think of the title in the middle of the night. My memory is getting terrible, but I have an excuse. OLD AGE. Will be 73 the 23rd of this month, so guess I'm entitled. :}:}. Young at heart though. That counts for something, doesn't it? Good luck with your writing. Take care. By the way, love your name. It's very pretty. Talk to you soon I hope. Dorothy BB> -!- msged 2.05 BB> ! Origin: 1:109/253 Dinah's Scrabblemania (1:109/253) ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- GEcho/32 1.20/Pro * Origin: Pacific Rim Information -=- San Diego, CA -=- (1:202/711) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DAB00018 Date: 06/03/96 From: DOROTHY REYNOLDS Time: 06:31pm \/To: THOMAS TSCHOELLITSCH (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Where is everybody? -=> Quoting Thomas Tschoellitsch to Dorothy Reynolds <=- TT> DOROTHY REYNOLDS wrote in a message to ALL: DR> Have been sending messages but getting no reply. Is anybody out DR> there, or is Fido burying messaages in the yard again? DR> Please let me know if my messages are coming through. May be DR> something wrong with my local BBS. TT> Don't think so, I got all of your recent messages. Seems though that TT> I do not get any other messages.. Thanks for answering Thomas. Messages are coming through fine. You are getting a message from me here in sunny San Diego. What mysteries do you like to read? Any favorite authors? Am in the middle of a Sarah Paretksy right now. Burn Marks. Pretty good and I'm having a hard time figuring out "Who Done It?" I haven't seen your name here before. You must be new. Welcome aboard. Think you'll find this a friendly place. Some of the people in the Writing Conference also participate here. (I'm one of them). Guess with spring upon us, a lot of the regulars are enjoying the warm, sunny days. Write me again and I'll answer. Ciao back to you. Dorothy DR> ... You know you're getting older when the happy hour is a nap. ___ DR> Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 DR> ___ GEcho/32 1.20/Pro DR> - Origin: Pacific Rim Information -=- San Diego, CA -=- DR> (1:202/711) TT> Ciao, Thomas TT> -!- timEd 1.10 TT> ! Origin: Add BUGS=OFF to your Config.Sys (2:316/60.10) ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- GEcho/32 1.20/Pro * Origin: Pacific Rim Information -=- San Diego, CA -=- (1:202/711) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DAB00019 Date: 06/03/96 From: DOROTHY REYNOLDS Time: 06:56pm \/To: STEVEN HORN (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Where is everybody? -=> Quoting Steven Horn to Dorothy Reynolds <=- SH> dorothy reynolds (1:202/711.3) wrote to Steven Horn at 10:14 on 29 SH> May 1996: dr> Yeah, Joan is gardening. Got a message from her yesterday. I'll dr> probably hear from Suzze soon. Glad to know they're still around. dr> Thanks for answering my query. SH> People change their interest, they lurk or they go on holidays. But SH> the mail goes on and has not been interrupted since January. Guess I was just surprised so few messages were in the Conference, but traffic is picking up a bit. I've gotten lots of nice replies from some of the regulars, as well as new people. As you say, interests change, etc. I'm retired and this is one of my favorite things to do. The computer and corresponding with folks all over has opened a whole new world for me. Feel like I have lots of new friends out there and miss them when I don't hear from them for awhile. Still reading those mysteries and finding lots of new authors. Some excellent, some okay and some a "one time only" read. Like all of you, have my preferences. Do you have a favorite author? Well Steven, time to fix dinner so will say bye for now. By the way, my E-mail address is: INT:bears@tnl-online.com Use bears as a handle because I collect teddy bears. Have about 50. Silly me, haven't grown up yet. (Grin). Ever in friendship, Dorothy Reynolds SH> Moderator CAN_SYSLAW SH> E-mail shorn@yknet.yk.ca _or_ shorn@web.apc.org SH> -!- timEd/386 1.10+ SH> ! Origin: Yukon Mail, Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada (1:3409/1) ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- GEcho/32 1.20/Pro * Origin: Pacific Rim Information -=- San Diego, CA -=- (1:202/711) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DAB00020 Date: 06/05/96 From: DOROTHY REYNOLDS Time: 07:29pm \/To: CATHERINE VANICEK (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Where is everybody? -=> Quoting Catherine Vanicek to Dorothy Reynolds <=- CV> To DOROTHY REYNOLDS from Cate Vanicek & her laptop Siamese. DR> Please let me know if my messages are coming through. May be CV> something DR> wrong with my local BBS. CV> I don't know what's been happening, but I've been getting almost no CV> mail at all from MYSTERY either. Today, though, their were 28 CV> messages. I just don't get it. Hello Cate: Like you, I've been getting quite a few messages th past few days Guess people have been busy doing other things. As one person answered, "It's spring." Some of the old timers are still here. I admit, haven't left too many messages myself until but I do check every day and lurk. If I have something to say, then I add my ha'pennies worth. But it's good to see messages coming through again. Glad to see you here. CV> My regualr BBS, Bitter Butter Butter, Portland-Oregon area, is going CV> down permanently very soon. I don't know where I'll get a replacement CV> to carry MYSTERY. Oh Cate, I'm sorry to hear that. Do hope you find a replacement BBS and soon. Is this going to affect your participation in the Writing Conference too? I do so enjoy your input on both conferences. A lot of people are switching over to the Internet. I wonder if the local BBS's are going to fade away entirely one of these days. My local sysop is cutting one of her boards very soon. She had three at one time but converted one to Internet. When she shuts one of the remaining two down, there will still be one to use. I kind of like the BBS as it is. I've gotten used to the simplicity of it. The internet is kind of scary. So much new stuff to learn in order to operate it, but then, I'm not all that swift about this electronic stuff. Do like the idea of messages going through faster though. Read any really good mysteries lately? I'm getting ready to read Anne Rule's Dead By Sunset. It came into our private library the other day. Have heard a lot about her but this will be my first time to read her. Will let you know how I like her. I understand she's quite a compelling writer. How's your writing coming along? And how are you? Hope your physical problems are under control and that you're feeling better. I read a message that you've been suffering with back problems. Well lady, will close and hope to hear from you soon. Be well. Ever in friendship, Dorothy CV> -!- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 CV> ! Origin: Bitter Butter Better BBS, Tualatin OR, 503-691-7938 CV> (1:105/290) ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- GEcho/32 1.20/Pro * Origin: Pacific Rim Information -=- San Diego, CA -=- (1:202/711) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DAB00021 Date: 06/05/96 From: MAUREEN GOLDMAN Time: 09:59pm \/To: CATHERINE VANICEK (Read 4 times) Subj: Echo list On (05 Jun 96) Catherine Vanicek wrote to Tom Almy... CV> Tom, CV> I know that you are going to be taking Butter down, so I hate to bother CV> you with a question -- again. But I received mail from the Echolist Catherine, you posted this on MYSTERY. ... "Are you sure it isn't time for a colorful metaphor?" - Spock --- PPoint 1.88 * Origin: Point of No Deposit, No Return (1:153/404.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DAB00022 Date: 06/06/96 From: CATHERINE VANICEK Time: 06:47pm \/To: DEBBIE SHANKER (Read 4 times) Subj: Where is everybody? To Debbie Shanker from Cate Vanicek & her laptop Siamese. > To Debbie Shanker from Cate Vanicek & her laptop Siamese. > DS> Started Mary Higgins Clark's newest and was so put off by the first > DS> chapter, that I never finished it. I managed to get about half way > DS> through but didn't think it was worth the effort. I suppose it was > DS> meant to grab the audience...instead it reminded be of a Poe story I > DS> had read as a kid and scared the daylights out of me. > Oh, no! And I've already purchased it. I wouldn't have been > quite so > disappointed if people on DorthyL had disliked it, too. I wonder > what's > happening with her. DS> Give it a try. Everyone at the library liked it. I just had a DS> personal issue with it. Debbie, Ah, I see. I can't read mysteries in which there are graphic depictions of drowning deaths, because my teenage son drowned. That fact definitely colors how I see things. Thanks, Cate --- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 * Origin: Bitter Butter Better BBS, Tualatin OR, 503-691-7938 (1:105/290) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DAB00023 Date: 06/06/96 From: DENNIS MCCUNNEY Time: 10:14pm \/To: FRED RUNK (Read 4 times) Subj: what are you reading... ** From Fred Runk to Dennis Mccunney on 04 Jun 96 19:50:06 ** what are you reading... DM> I enjoy the Basil Rathbone/Nigel Bruce films, but I agree about DM> the portrayl of Watson. Doyle's Watson was about Holmes age and DM> considerably less bumbling. While not Holmes' equal in detection DM> (who was?), he was intelligent, loyal, brave, and instantly ready to DM> render medical assistance or back Holmes with his revolver, whichever DM> was required. While Rathbone made a good Holmes, Holmes would never DM> have put up with Bruce's Watson. FR> Agreed. That always bothered me about Nigel Bruce's depiction. FR> Wonder if it was his or the director's. I suspect it was the director's idea, to provide a dose of comic relief in the contrast between the characters. If they wanted to portray Watson accurately, they would never have cast Bruce for the part. FR> Haven't seen you much around in SF lately. I don't think you'll see too much of me fpor a while: things have become entirely too interesting here. Details are best left for netmail, but I've become unemployed and have far more important thgings to do than participate in Fido. FR> Haven't read that much by Crichton, aside from TERMINAL MAN. One of FR> these days I will pick up his novel set in an alternate universe, one FR> when the Germans had invaded and conquered England. DM> I'm not a Crichton fan, but that one rings no bells at all. Are DM> you sure you aren't thinking of Len Deighton's _SS/GB_? If so, it's DM> very much worth reading. FR> Yep, that was the book. Another also pointed out that I had confused FR> the two. SS-GB has always intrigued me, but I never have gotten to the FR> point of actually getting the book. Even picked it up and browsed FR> through it. Looked interesting, but I guess it just wasn't the time for FR> it. FR> Maybe I will get it and read it along with PKD's MAN IN THE HIGH FR> CASTLE and Spinrad's THE IRON DREAM. That will make an interesting trio. There's a novella by Keith Roberts whose title escapes me that has a similar premise. Hitler was always of two minds about Britain, and expressed admiration for the English people. He gave the impression he'd really rather form an alliance with Britain than fight her. In Robert's story, that has happened, and Germany dominates Britain. The protagonist is a Brit who runs into the seamy underside of German culture, and realises they made a mistake in allying instead of fighting. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: * BlueDog BBS * (212) 594-4425 * NYC FileBone Hub (1:278/304) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 244 MYSTERY Ref: DAC00000 Date: 06/06/96 From: FRED RUNK Time: 10:55pm \/To: BELLE BIJOU (Read 4 times) Subj: Exceptions -=> While in the White Hart, Belle Bijou insisted to Fred Runk that <=- BB> Sounds like the book (like PLAYING FOR THE ASHES) has a BB> split story and the usual characters don't show up until BB> half way through. Actually no. Didn't mean to mislead you. Olivia, who is involved in the case, tells a bit of her story, then we find Lynley at Helen's place, about to propose, when he gets a call about a murder, etc. However, this one is out of London, so he's got a problem with the local constabulary, especially the detective inspector who is on the case already. She might appear in some later works, as she and Tommy didn't exactly hit it off, which frequently is a warning signal that here's a new continuing character. ... He who knows others is learned; he who knows himself is wise. -Lao Tse ___ X Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 X --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Fred's Place (1:300/6.2)