--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 241 LINUX Ref: F2P00011 Date: 02/19/98 From: GERRY DANEN Time: 08:47pm \/To: ALL (Read 5 times) Subj: Linux [1] * Crossposted from: STN.NEWS: News and Announcements The next 3 messages contain Caldera Linux information. Gerry Danen (gdanen@connect.ab.ca) C+Net BBS @ 403-477-9545 http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/9823 Moderator STN.Y2K: Year 2000 information & discussion 1 year, 315 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes, and 50 seconds until January 1, 2000. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: C+Net BBS. Programming & Networking. (1:342/601) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 241 LINUX Ref: F2P00012 Date: 02/19/98 From: GERRY DANEN Time: 08:48pm \/To: ALL (Read 5 times) Subj: Linux [2] * Crossposted from: STN.NEWS: News and Announcements Fired for Choosing Linux? Jesse Berst, Editorial Director ZDNet AnchorDesk MONDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 1998 Nobody ever got fired for choosing IBM was the mantra of the 70s and 80s. IBM didn't always have the latest and greatest, but it was always the safe choice. Slowly, surely, Microsoft and its Windows NT operating system have been taking over this role. Lately, however, a growing cadre of users are proposing a seven-year-old "freeware" operating system as an alternative to NT. Linux (pronounced Lynn-ucks) is a Unix variant maintained by volunteer programmers around the world. But is it a safe choice? Let's take a look, starting with the good news about Linux's growing popularity. Linux is not just for geeks anymore. As many as five million computers now run the operating system, usually as a platform for a Web server. More and more of those Linux computers are showing up in corporate settings, as documented by Smart Reseller magazine. Click for full story. Easier than ever to obtain. You can download Linux, or you can buy convenient CD-ROM compilations, often called "distributions," which bundle the OS with utilities, Web servers and application software for a nominal fee (typically about $50). Two of the most popular distributions come from Red Hat (www.redhat.com) and Caldera (www.caldera.com). PC Week recently gave the Red Hat compilation a thumbs up. Click for full story. Trade shows and conferences such as the 4th Annual Linux Expo, May 28-30, at Duke University in Durham, N.C. Click for conference info. Linux books and magazines. The Linux Journal is a great source of how-to information, in print and online. You can also find dozens of Linux books from various publishers. Click for Linux books available online through Barnes and Noble. Linux support and help online. You can find numerous pages and newsgroups dedicated to Linux. I've linked two of the most popular in the sidebar. Okay, Linux may have a low, low cost. And many technical merits. And lots of help for do-it-yourselfers. But can it pass the all-important "cover your ass" test? I'm not so sure. There's no single company behind Linux. No single source of support. No sales rep you can call in and yell at if Linux fails unexpectedly, leaving you without an operative Web site. Nobody to blame, in other words. Except you, if you were the person who recommended this product. Tell us about your experiences and inclinations. Would you take this risk? Have you done so already? Did you experience any political fallout? Hit the TalkBack button below to send us your comments. Then jump over to my Berst Alerts forum to discuss Linux with other AnchorDesk readers. I'm all for competition in the OS marketplace. And I always root for the little guy. So I think it's great if you are willing to promote Linux to your boss. As long as you are aware of the risk you are taking. The risk of getting fired. Source: http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_1774.html. Gerry Danen (gdanen@connect.ab.ca) C+Net BBS @ 403-477-9545 http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/9823 Moderator STN.Y2K: Year 2000 information & discussion 1 year, 315 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes, and 50 seconds until January 1, 2000. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: C+Net BBS. Programming & Networking. (1:342/601) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 241 LINUX Ref: F2P00013 Date: 02/19/98 From: GERRY DANEN Time: 08:49pm \/To: ALL (Read 5 times) Subj: Linux [3] * Crossposted from: STN.NEWS: News and Announcements Linux: Not Just For Geeks And College Kids Anymore By Jason Perlow February 11, 1998, 8:30 AM EST If you've been doing business in the Microsoft, Novell or commercial Unix worlds, the concept of a freeware operating system may sound alien to you. Or, if you do know about Linux, perhaps you envision a typical user as an 18 year old, socially-challenged male college student with unkempt hair, a collection of Mountain Dew cans, and a way-cool nickname for arcane Internet chat room discussions on such topics as "the relative merits of Debian versus Slackware distributions." Not the space for a systems integrator to be playing in, you say? Well, Linux has come a long way, baby, and its not just for geeks anymore. Linux (pronounced Leen-ucks) is an operating system that is developed under the GNU General Public License, and thus its source code is available to everyone on the Internet. In 1991, Linus Torvalds, a Finnish college student, developed Linux. Since then, thousands of amateur programmers all over the Internet have participated in its development and it has evolved into a very functional, powerful and usable clone of Unix. Linux Resources on the Internet RedHat - http://www.redhat.com Slackware - http://www.cdrom.com Debian - http://www.debian.org Infomagic - http://www.infomagic.com Caldera - http://www.caldera.com General Information Linux Home Page - http://www.linux.org IRC #LinuxOS - http://www.linuxos.org Hardware HOWTO - http://sunsite.unc.edu Naturally, many of these programmers were college students--the only people with enough free time to write a free operating system--and thus Linux earned its reputation as the OS for true computer geeks. Only the truly adventurous and technically inclined dared to lay their hands on it, and its geeky reputation plagued the mainstream acceptance of Linux--until now. There have been many developments in Linux since the early days, and several vendors have made it easier to install the free operating system by publishing "distributions," or CD-ROM compilations of the OS and homegrown installation utilities along with bundled shareware from the Internet. RedHat Software, Walnut Creek Slackware, Debian, Caldera and Infomagic offer the major Linux distributions, and all are available for $50 or less. These distributions can also be downloaded from their respective Web sites for free. So now you know what Linux is and where you can get it. The question remains, then: As a reseller and a systems integrator, can you make money with it? The answer is a resounding, "Yes". Linux--though free and supported almost exclusively through the Internet--is a powerful network OS with many features for which you would have to pay thousands of dollars for the equivalent functionality of a commercial version of Unix, NT or IntraNetware. For example, a $50 Red Hat Linux 5.0 CD for Intel-based systems will get you a full-blown Unix-compatible operating system, TCP/IP networking, a commercial X Window server, the Apache Web server, a POP3 E-mail server, a SQL database server, and more. And for $29.95, you can get the version 4.2 "Powertools" collection of 6 CDs containing Linux distributions for Intel, DEC Alpha and Sun SPARC, with literally thousands of programs and utilities, including C++ and Java development tools and tomes of Linux documentation from various sources. Sounds like a TV infomercial? Perhaps. But can you leverage Linux against such heavyweights as Microsoft, Novell, Sun and SCO? Absolutely. Gregory Niditch, a systems integrator with 13oclock Technologies in New Orleans, is a Microsoft Solutions Provider who also does Linux consulting. "Linux comes in handy in environments needing a turnkey Internet/Intranet solution," says Niditch. Because Linux is primarily a free operating system, and there are no per-user and per-session costs involved as with NT and IntraNetware, 13oclock is able focus on consulting services, software development, training and support contracts instead of on the mechanics of selling expensive software licenses. "There are times when we will suggest commercial operating systems like NT if the customer requires a specific application or a development tool," says Niditch. However, Linux integrates extremely well with NT, NetWare and commercial versions of Unix. The entire suite of Unix-based TCP/IP utilities come with the OS, and Linux can talk to NT natively using Samba, a freeware Microsoft Network/LAN Manager-compatible subsystem. Those who are Linux-inclined and are looking for IntraNetware support should look to Caldera Openlinux Standard, which retails for $399.00. Openlinux Standard includes a NetWare NDS client and NetWare administration utilities, in addition to a full license of Netscape FastTrack 2.0.1, the Sun Microsystems Java Development Kit for Linux, Star Division StarOffice (a spiffy Microsoft Office clone from Germany), the Adabas D SQL server from Software AG, and Caldera's easy-to-use Desktop GUI. Caldera also offers the WABI libraries for Linux for $99.00, which allows you run 16-bit Windows 3.x applications. So there's a treasure trove of software to be found in a Linux distribution CD for the price of a few cappuccinos at Starbucks. "What about technical support?" you ask. Perhaps the idea of going to Linux gurus on Internet Relay Chat channels and UseNet newsgroups worries you, especially if you are going to be purchasing and configuring Linux-compatible hardware. Not to worry. "Linux tends to be more dynamic than other Unix because it has a much larger user base and development team. Because of this, you will find that Linux has a great deal of hardware support, and that bugs get found and fixed quickly," says "Zummy," a consultant on the Efnet IRC #LinuxOS channel. And if "Zummy" and other Linux gurus online don't give you the warm and fuzzies, RedHat Software and Caldera both offer technical support for their distributions. RedHat charges for its tech support via a third party, Collective Technologies, via 800 and 900 numbers, and Caldera charges $60 per incident call after the first 30 days or 5 incidents, whichever comes first. The idea of building a Linux-compatible system of course, may frighten the integrator who is used to dealing with typical channel offerings from Compaq, HP, IBM and Sun. But provided you consult the Linux Hardware Compatibility "HOWTO" file or review the Linux compatibility list for your specific distribution, an integrator with a few PC-savvy techs onboard should have no problem putting a solid system together. Linux supports a wide range of PC hardware with a few caveats a.. Linux, like Windows NT and many commercial Unixes for the PC platform, prefers Adaptec, Buslogic, and DPT SCSI host adapters. b.. Special care needs to be taken when choosing video cards. The general rule is to stay a generation behind, as the latest whiz-bang Windows accelerator may not be supported yet. RedHat, which sells the MetroX accelerated commercial X server with its product, is more aggressive with supported cards, so check before you build. c.. If you must have a turnkey Linux system, VA Research, Mountain View, Calif., will configure a Linux-compatible machine according to your specifications, or you can buy a preconfigured unit with all server software preloaded and ready to go. The VarServer 1000-5122C, for example, features 256 Mbytes of RAM, twin Pentium II 233MHz processors,18Gbytes of Ultra SCSI storage and a 4-Gbyte DAT drive for $7140. As an all-inclusive software product for integrators and resellers looking to capitalize on the Unix Internet/intranet market, Linux is an excellent low-cost alternative to comparable NT, IntraNetware, or commercial Unix solutions without all the upfront costs--if you aren't afraid to get your hands dirty. So what are you waiting for? Crack open a Mountain Dew and check out a Linux CD. Source: http://www.zdnet.com/sr/business/opportunity/980211b.html. Gerry Danen (gdanen@connect.ab.ca) C+Net BBS @ 403-477-9545 http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/9823 Moderator STN.Y2K: Year 2000 information & discussion 1 year, 315 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes, and 50 seconds until January 1, 2000. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: C+Net BBS. Programming & Networking. (1:342/601) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 241 LINUX Ref: F2P00014 Date: 02/19/98 From: GERRY DANEN Time: 08:50pm \/To: ALL (Read 5 times) Subj: Linux [4] ... pricing * Crossposted from: STN.NEWS: News and Announcements Caldera Linux Pricing Caldera Part# Product US MSRP 100-OLB2-001 OpenLinux Base $59.00 100-OLS1-001 OpenLinux Standard $399.00 100-OLS1-001E OpenLinux Standard (Educational)* $199.50 100-OLS1-001U OpenLinux Standard (Upgrade from CND/Base) $359.00 100-WABI-001 Wabi 2.2 for OpenLinux $99.00 105-WABI-001 Wabi 2.2 for OpenLinux (Educational)* $69.00 Additional Licenses for Wabi are no longer available. 103-STAR-001 StarOffice 3.1 for OpenLinux $199.00 103-STAR-002 StarOffice 3.1 for OpenLinux (Competitive Upgrade) $149.00 105-WPML-001 Caldera WordPerfect & Motif Bundle (Educational)* $129.99 100-COD1-001 OpenDOS Version 7.01 $29.99 100-TECH-001 Technical Support (Per Incident Support) $60.00 100-TECH-002 Technical Support (Annual Support Contract) $1,500.00 To order Caldera products, call (888) GO LINUX or +1 801 765-4888 outside of the U.S. MSRP is in U.S. dollars only. For pricing in Europe, contact Avalan at +44 (0) 1923 208440. Prices effective June 16, 1997. * For educational pricing, read the information below to check qualifications. Educational Pricing Information Almost all Caldera products are available at substantial discounts to qualified educational institutions and individuals. Qualifications and prices for this program are listed below. Please note that not all products for which prices are provided are immediately available. Please direct questions to info@caldera.com. To order, call 1 800 850 7779 in the U.S., or +1 801 765-4888 outside the U.S. Qualifying for an Educational Discount The following groups and individuals may purchase Caldera products at educational prices. These programs are available worldwide, with some pricing differences; contact your local reseller. All resellers may participate in educational programs, but must use the same qualification criteria set forth below. Groups not listed here may inquire about the availability of educational pricing. a.. Institutions: Any school in the United States that is accredited by its respective state Office of Education or by an agency or association that is nationally recognized by the United States Secretary of Education; any school worldwide that is recognized and approved by the province in which it operates; any United States school district; or any worldwide school board; or any educational institution formally recognized by its respective government. Institutions should submit orders on an institutional purchase order or contact Caldera for credit information. b.. Individuals: Qualified individuals include any teacher or paid administrator or staff member of a qualified institution (as noted above), or a degree-seeking college student enrolled at a qualified institution. Individuals may purchase one copy of each product offered by Caldera. Individuals should fax a copy of their ID card or other similar proof of eligibility when ordering. Call for details. c.. Campus bookstores are welcome as resellers. Please contact Caldera at info@caldera.com OpenLinux Operating System a.. OpenLinux Lite (free for download). b.. OpenLinux Base c.. OpenLinux Standard With OpenLinux, you'll be up and running in as little as 30 minutes, enjoying the 32-bit speed and power of a UNIX workstation on your PC. Products for the OpenLinux Operating System a.. Netscape Products for OpenLinux b.. StarOffice 3.1 c.. Wabi 2.2 for Linux d.. Adabas-D e.. WordPerfect/Motif Bundle For even more applications for the OpenLinux operating system, check out OpenSolutions: Caldera's Online Third-Party Solutions Catalog. The Caldera OpenLinux Product line is a multi-tasking, multi-user operating system that gives you the power and reliability of UNIX on a personal computer. OpenLinux is Caldera's "distribution" or package of Linux, surrounded with utilities, graphical interfaces, installation procedures, third party applications and much more. OpenLinux is a brand that users, resellers and ISV's alike can count on to provide a stable and functional base for their computing solutions. OpenLinux is ideal for small, medium and large companies who must optimize their investment in existing systems, hardware & training. OpenLinux augments connectivity between existing corporate networks including NetWare/IntranetWare, UNIX, Windows NT and the Internet. OpenLinux is products and solutions packaged in several tiers and price points. They include: a.. OpenLinux Lite--A freely available evaluation copy of OpenLinux. It is also designed for use by book and software publishers who wish to include a commercially stable version of Linux in their books and products. OpenLinux Lite ver. 1.1 includes: a.. Linux kernel (latest, most stable version available) b.. X Windows System c.. Utilites d.. Developer Tools (gcc, perl, debugger, vi, etc.) e.. Internet/Intranet (TCP/IP, FTP, DNS, NFS, etc.) f.. Apache Web Server g.. Caldera Desktop (90-day evaluation copy) h.. CRiSP text editor i.. Menu-based Install and LISA j.. JDK (Java Developers Kit) k.. SAMBA server/client b.. OpenLinux Base--A low-cost easy-to-install operating system with an integrated Desktop, Internet client and server components, and Intranet connectivity. OpenLinux Base ver. 1.1 includes: a.. Everything in OpenLinux Lite with full licences b.. Caldera Desktop License c.. Netscape Navigator d.. Metro X X-Server e.. StarOffice Office Suite (Personal Edition) f.. Full Documentation (Printed and Online Versions) c.. OpenLinux Standard--A complete Internet/Intranet client and server solution with tools like Netscape FastTrack commercial Web server with a full NetWare NDS client. OpenLinux Standard ver. 1.1 includes: a.. Everything in OpenLinux Base b.. NetWare/IntranetWare Client and Administration Utilities c.. Netscape Gold d.. Netscape FastTrack Web Server (secure) e.. E-mail and News Reader f.. HTML editing tools g.. Caldera OpenDOS (Personal Edition) h.. ADABAS-D Relational Database (Personal Edition) i.. StarOffice Productivity Suite (Commercial License) j.. Linux and Netscape Documentation (Printed and Online Versions) Caldera added "Open" to its product line to emphasize that the operating system source code is open, so you can see exactly how the operating system works. Caldera is setting a commercial "standard" on how Linux is distributed and integrated into commercial solutions. Click on the corresponding links to find out more about each exciting flavor of OpenLinux! Gerry Danen (gdanen@connect.ab.ca) C+Net BBS @ 403-477-9545 http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/9823 Moderator STN.Y2K: Year 2000 information & discussion 1 year, 315 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes, and 50 seconds until January 1, 2000. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: C+Net BBS. Programming & Networking. (1:342/601) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 241 LINUX Ref: F2P00015 Date: 02/19/98 From: JOSH ROLLYSON Time: 02:30pm \/To: BRANDON KING (Read 5 times) Subj: test Posting a test message in an INTERNATIONAL echo is just a little annnoying. --- Squish/386 v1.11 * Origin: None (1:3629/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 241 LINUX Ref: F2P00016 Date: 02/19/98 From: JOSH ROLLYSON Time: 02:31pm \/To: DAVID BELL (Read 5 times) Subj: close to launch preparations don't use cua ports. They are depreciated and likely to be removed in the near future. The ttyS? ports should be the ones used. ttyS0=dos com1 ttyS1=dos com2 and so on. I use mgetty here for my dial up. You might want to try it. --- Squish/386 v1.11 * Origin: None (1:3629/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 241 LINUX Ref: F2P00017 Date: 02/19/98 From: JOSH ROLLYSON Time: 02:36pm \/To: ALL (Read 5 times) Subj: Ifmail/Ifcico. I am trying to set up ifcico/ifmail/iftoss etc to work as a point node. The docs have been little or no help to me, and have just managed to confuse me more. Can anybody help me out. (I am using the Debian Ifmail-tx package) --- Squish/386 v1.11 * Origin: None (1:3629/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 241 LINUX Ref: F2P00018 Date: 02/19/98 From: MIKE MCCLAIN Time: 08:53pm \/To: ALL (Read 5 times) Subj: swap file under doslinux Hello ALL, I just got DOSLinux set up on a used 120M hard drive, but I've only got 4M ram on my 386 machine. one of the READMEs says I should setup an 8M swapfile, but there is no 'man swapfile' info available. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks, MiKe --- BBBS/L v3.33 How * Origin: Ocean Beach Linux BBBS (619)224-4878 (1:202/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 241 LINUX Ref: F2P00019 Date: 02/19/98 From: FRANCOIS THUNUS Time: 04:08pm \/To: DANNY PHILLIPS (Read 5 times) Subj: process Hello ! 18 Feb 98 22:15, Danny Phillips wrote to Bruce Kingsbury: DP> Is ther anyway that you can run a system and there be no processes? ust DP> a hypothetical question. I think the answer is yes. don't think so. There are always daemons running in the background, and if nothing else, you'll still have a shell running. If you don't have a shell, I don't think the system is running :-) Francois Thunus Miksi Internetissa: puhutaan englantia ? Oletko kuullut pienimma:sta: yhteisesta: nimitta:ja:sta: ? 2:270/25.2@fidonet | Views expressed here root@Club.TeleMatique.org | are strictly my own. http://www.telematique.org/ft | (unless otherwise stated) --- GoldED 2.51.A1026+ * Origin: Xara Sto Pragma ! Gasperich - Luxembourg -> (FidoNet 2:270/25.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 241 LINUX Ref: F2P00020 Date: 02/20/98 From: TUUKKA VAINIO Time: 10:52am \/To: MIKE LUSK (Read 5 times) Subj: Help > I have 3 errors that I can't figure out... > 1) make[1]: as86: Command not found You probably haven't installed those assembler-files, since that's an assembler compiler if I recall right. Just copy that from somewhere to /usr/bin and try to recompile. > 2) make[1]: *** [bootsect.o] Error 127 > 3) make[1]: [zImage] Error 2 Those might go away with that fix too. --- BBBS/2 v3.42 ToMmIk-5v * Origin: BCG-Box 4 (2:222/0)