--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: DCR00000 Date: 08/20/96 From: JOERG LIPOVCEK Time: 06:53am \/To: ALL (Read 4 times) Subj: EuroFolk '97 Hi All! I'm loking forward to find informations about the EuroFolk '97 ... ??? Groetjes & be prepared, Joerg --- * Origin: * Scout Base 9 * Deutsche FastV7 Registration-Site * (2:2452/249) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: DCR00001 Date: 08/20/96 From: MELISSA LEVITT Time: 09:13pm \/To: MILTON STEPHENS (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: scouting Hi Milton, MS>Are you into Scouts now? Not any more. And my boys aren't either, because here, they expect you to have certain religious beliefs to belong. Is that true everywhere? (We do believe in God, but we believe our own way - we don't belong to a specific religion). MS>Can you use some messages to tell us about your time with the Girl Scouts? Well, at thirty four, my memory of it is a bit hazy. But let's see, I remember camping the most. That was fun. We learned a lot about survival, and also learned socialization techniques (which one must learn when hanging out in the woods with thirty other girls!). Also, we had a wonderful leader who really focused on earning the special badges, and she managed to inspire us to heights of motivation we never thought we'd reach in our efforts to earn those badges. MS>What the Scout Echo's need is some input about Girl Scouting. Do you know MS>someone that is in Girl Scouts? I don't know anyone currently. A neighbor of mine is a Boy Scout leader, and her son is a Boy Scout. And since I have no girls of my own, I don't know a whole lot of girls (although this should change within the next year or so, since my son is on the brink of teenagerhood). (: MS>I am 49 now and still into Scouts, I was not a Scout when I was a boy. But MS>oldes son is a Eagle Scout, and my other son is working on his now. My irl MS>are into Boy Scouts and thay like it. How did you get into scouting? Was it when your son joined? Or before? I admire people who become scout leaders, since it is a good influence on the children, and gives the children something worthwhile and educational (yet fun) to do on their off-time. Scouting seems to build character in a gentle way (as opposed to military training, for instance). And hey, what better way to meet new people and have new experiences? (: Melissa --- SLMR 2.1a And now, for something completely different. --- NO RATIOS for LD * Origin: No Ratios for Ld callers 607-785-5688 (1:260/445) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: DCR00002 Date: 08/20/96 From: BRIAN W Time: 10:10pm \/To: MELISSA LEVITT (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: scouting ML> Not any more. And my boys aren't either, because here, they expect you ML> to have certain religious beliefs to belong. Is that true everywhere? Who is they??? I KNOW for a fact that our Council doesn't require you to belong to a certain religous group, just that you believe in a higher power. Maybe the pack or troop your boys were going to join had that rule, but they shouldn't have. It shouldn't be true anywhere ML> admire people who become scout leaders, since it is a good influence on ML> the children, and gives the children something worthwhile and Also you have to admire Scout leaders because of the time and energy they give up for the scouts. --- NO RATIOS for LD * Origin: No Ratios for Ld callers 607-785-5688 (1:260/445) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: DCR00003 Date: 08/21/96 From: DON BACH Time: 06:03pm \/To: GLEN TODD (Read 4 times) Subj: scouting Hi, Glen! GT> There was quite a bit of debate a while back as to whether this referred GT> to Deity in a general way or specifically to the GT> monotheistic Abrahamic god (Jehovah) that is shared by GT> the Muslims, Jews, and Christians. The former I GT> would have no problem with, but quite a number of GT> people seem to be of the strong opinion that it is the GT> latter that is referred to, and thus that Scouting is GT> specifically Abrahamic. This I see a major problem GT> with. The BSA Cub Scout Promise, Scout Oath and membership applications have no mention of religion, except that one must believe in a God. The Big Bear Cub Scout Book even lists religious emblems that may *optionally* be earned by members of the Hindu and Baha'i faiths in addition to Christian, Jewish and Islambic faiths. To achieve the Bear badge, either the boy's particular religious emblem must be earned *or*: "Practice your religion as you are taught in your home, church, synagogue, mosque or other religious community". Similar language is used in the requirement for the WEBELOS Badge, but allows the boy to chose from 2 of 8 options. Don Cubmaster, Andrew Jackson Council Pack 12 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: No Regrets, Clinton, MS (601)924-8247 9P-5A (1:3632/65) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: DCR00004 Date: 08/21/96 From: DON BACH Time: 06:54pm \/To: DAVID GILES (Read 4 times) Subj: Write to others! Hi, David! DG> I saw your message and thought I'd let you know I am still alive. Great! I bet you've had a busy summer! DG> Interesting topic you have brought up. When I was a DG> Boy Scout, we addressed our Leaders as "Mister", DG> followed by their last name. Now we use Scouter Dave, DG> Scouter Glen, etc. What do you use with your boys? I insist on Mister. Sometimes the boy's parents will correct the boy before I have to. But I go with either "Mister Don" or "Mister Bach". I have several parents who still insist on "Yes, sir" or "Yes ma'am". However sometimes I make exceptions like: "Whatever you call me, don't call me late for dinner". YIS, Don Andrew Jackson Council Pack 12 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: No Regrets, Clinton, MS (601)924-8247 9P-5A (1:3632/65) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: DCR00005 Date: 08/21/96 From: GLEN TODD Time: 03:56pm \/To: DAVID GILES (Read 4 times) Subj: Write to others! Bright the day, David! Saturday August 17 1996 23:21, David Giles wrote to Don Bach: DG> Interesting topic you have brought up. When I was a Boy Scout, we DG> addressed our Leaders as "Mister", followed by their last name. Now we use DG> Scouter Dave, Scouter Glen, etc. What do you use with your boys? When I was a Scout it was always "Mister" followed by the last name. Other adults similarly, unless they specifically requested otherwise (which happened only once in my memory.) Only exception was my father, who was always 'Doc' -- much to his disgust. Now I'm 'Doc', and dislike the sobriquet equally. Wind to thy wings, Glen ... "Bother," said Pooh as he greased the blind man's cane tip. --- GoldED/386 2.50+ * Origin: High Reaches CyberSchool BBS == (719) 687-5974 (1:128/203) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: DCT00000 Date: 08/22/96 From: MILTON STEPHENS Time: 06:04am \/To: MELISSA LEVITT (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: scouting ML> MS>Are you into Scouts now? ML> ML> Not any more. And my boys aren't either, because here, they expect you ML> to have certain religious beliefs to belong. Is that true everywhere? ML> (We do believe in God, but we believe our own way - we don't belong ML> to aspecific religion). ML> ML> MS>Can you use some messages to tell us about your time with the Girl ML> Scouts? ML> Well, at thirty four, my memory of it is a bit hazy. But let's see, I ML> remember camping the most. That was fun. We learned a lot about ML> survival, and also learned socialization techniques (which one must ML> learn when hanging out in the woods with thirty other girls!). Also, ML> wehad a wonderful leader who really focused on earning the special ML> badges,and she managed to inspire us to heights of motivation we ML> never thoughtwe'd reach in our efforts to earn those badges. ML> ML> MS>What the Scout Echo's need is some input about Girl Scouting. Do ML> you knowMS>someone that is in Girl Scouts? ML> I don't know anyone currently. A neighbor of mine is a Boy Scout ML> leader,and her son is a Boy Scout. And since I have no girls of my ML> own, I don'tknow a whole lot of girls (although this should change ML> within the nextyear or so, since my son is on the brink of ML> teenagerhood). (: ML> MS>I am 49 now and still into Scouts, I was not a Scout when I was a ML> boy. But MS>oldes son is a Eagle Scout, and my other son is working ML> on his now. My girlMS>are into Boy Scouts and thay like it. ML> ML> How did you get into scouting? Was it when your son joined? Or ML> before? Iadmire people who become scout leaders, since it is a good ML> influence onthe children, and gives the children something worthwhile ML> andeducational (yet fun) to do on their off-time. Scouting seems to ML> buildcharacter in a gentle way (as opposed to military training, for ML> instance). And hey, what better way to meet new people and have new ML> experiences? (: ML> ]\/[elissa, All you have to do is belive in God, not join a Church. This is on the Adult paper work you fill out. That is the only place it is at. I got into Scouts, becouse of my boys. Now the hole family is into scouts. Thanks for you E-mail, keep up the good work. Also at first my wife did some girl scouting with my girls but it did not work out. The wife and kids are in the Exploring part of Scouting. That is where the girls can be apart of BSA. Check with your councils office on the God and Scouting. You will find out that you don't have to be a member of the Church (the unite you tlked about) to be a Scout. Yours in Scouting ]\/[ilton * SFEMB 0.47 [TS80084] | On my ]-[onor, I will try! * BBS TCode: 343AR --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: The Scouting BBS * Houston, Tx. USA * (1:106/8824) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: DCT00001 Date: 08/21/96 From: JOE NICHOLSON Time: 11:44pm \/To: GLEN TODD (Read 4 times) Subj: scouting -=> Quoting Glen Todd to Don Bach <=- GT> There was quite a bit of debate a while back as to whether GT> this referred to Deity in a general way or specifically to GT> the monotheistic Abrahamic god (Jehovah) that is shared by GT> the Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Glen, during the 70's and 80's when I was a Scout leader, we used the terms "Deity" and "God" to include any and all religions. BSA did not/does not define what a member's belief has to be. ... Firemen DO IT with a lot of heat. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: 9-1-1 BBS FF's/LEO's/OSHA/SAFETY (619) 669-0385 (1:202/911) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: DCT00002 Date: 08/21/96 From: TOBIAS HUWE Time: 12:57pm \/To: JEREMY DENNIS (Read 4 times) Subj: ScoutNet ( was : Re: scouting) -- re : "scouting" -- 18.08.96 -- by : *Jeremy Dennis* (MSGID 1:123/215 9ee06989) -- Hi Jeremy ! JD>>This is a slow base. There are usually 2-3 messages a day. TH>> Come on and join the WorldWide ScoutNet JD>is this an e-mail discussion list? It includes mailing lists to internet, but the real ScoutNet is a Network based on "fido-"technology. It is working well here in Europe (Germany, Swiss, Austria, Netherlands, Italy ...), but I am not shure about the status in the US. Let`s see...here I found an adress of your CC in the US: Country Coordinator United States of America Dave Tracewell ++1-209-339-0220 (BBS) ScoutNet#71:100/0.0 Dave_Tracewell@scout.net I hope there is a working network on your side. You can also visit the Web- Server on http://www.scout.net I don`t know, if this topic is interesting for you, but in fact I give some more information about the ScoutNet Network (as I see not well formatted to be used with my CrossPoint ;-)) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ScoutNet information====================This information file explains what ScoutNet is.This file may be distributed free, as long as no changes are madeto it's contents.In fact we encourage you to distribute this file as much as possible.This file will be upgraded in the near future, as we go along expanding,there will be new indeas to invoke in the Net.Richard Prevost, Henk Plantje and Peter de Hilster - January 01 1995.Contents1. History of ScoutNet.2. ScoutNet today.3. ScoutNet general.4. ScoutNet structure.5. ScoutNet Rules.6. How to join ScoutNet.1. History of ScoutNet.ScoutNet has it's origin at Scouting BBS, The Netherlands and was testedtogether with Daniel Saxer, Thomas Subotitsch, Henk Roelfsema andMario Muntwiler before we went on-line for the world.Scouting BBS was founded on the first of July 1990. Earlier that year3 Scouts, Henk Plantje, Richard Prevost and Peter de Hilster found out thatthe World- Jamboree was coming to The Netherlands in 1995.We thought that it was a good idea to start a Bulletin Board withinformation about the Jamboree.We created a small BBS with a BBS-programme called RBBS. With the initialset- up we contacted Scouting Headquarters in Holland to show the system.It was a pity to find out that scouting HQ was not interested because theythought that the effort to run a BBS like this was to big compared with thenumber of users that would use the system.A big disappointment off course, but it didn't stop us.We started on the first of July 1990.In the next two years until spring 1992 we got a lot of experience byrunning a bulletin board.In the spring that year we decided we would like to try to connect toa network. Therefore we installed a Mailer (Frontdoor) and made contactwith SIG-NET. SIG-net is a world-wide network with thousands of connectionsof bulletin boards all over the world.As from there we began to enlarge our experience in communicationsbetween bulletin boards.We found out that the BBS programme we used, was not the most common.And in the autumn of 1992 we switched to Remote Access. This programmewas very much more to our needs than RBBS and we started to change theaccent of the BBS more to Scouting.Up until that time we made no difference between Scouting and non- Scouting,all the message areas an file areas were mixed. From that point (up till now)we started with a scouting and a non-scouting part in the BBS.As we made ourselves known to the public by all kinds of BBS listings,the scouting part grew in importance. Early 1993 we made contact with amember of a group in Rotterdam (Pieter Berghuis) who liked to set- upa scouting-BBS himself. The SCOUTNET idea was born.It took a whole year to pickup the part from the drawing board to createa real network. In January 1994 we received a letter from Pieter Berghuisthat the world bureau in Geneva Switzerland was interested in what we weredoing. And suddenly telephone calls from Austria (Vienna) came to connectto our network.From that point on the things were starting to speed up, in the next3 months we really created a network with a couple of bulletin boardsin Europe.Peter Berghuis was not ready to join us (but he will....) but a BBS inGroningen was ready to go (Joop BBS, Henk Roelfsema). So we startedwith 5 bulletin boards, 2 in the Netherlands (as mentioned), 2 inSwitzerland (SCOUTBOX by Daniel Saxer and Pfadi box by Mario Muntwiler)and 1 in Austria (Scout-box by Thomas Subotitsch).Now as I write this, there are a lot of bulletin boards connected aroundthe boards in Switzerland, Austria and the Netherlands (Also, so calledpoints - people who do not have a BBS, but connect to the net like a BBS -are welcome and already several connections are made.)Also in Germany, Belgium, England and Italy are connected. It will onlybe a matter of time until SCOUTNET will be really world-wide. You wouldbe amazed how many bulletin boards there are all over the world with(at least a part) containing scouting related business.2. ScoutNet today.ScoutNet is for and by scouts. Scouting BBS is the headquarters of SCOUTNET.Richard Prevost is the IC (International coordinator), the spokesman ofScoutNet and he is the chairman of the Country Coordinator Council.(every country has 1 CC)The Scouting network is intended to connect all the bulletin boards,who have one ore more scouting areas, to each other to exchange messages,programmes and information files all concerning scouting.3. ScoutNet general.ScoutNet has two kind of managers, the message areas and the file areasmanagers. (moderators)A moderator can have one ore more message - and/or file areas to supervise.- ScoutNet message areas.There are (at this moment) about 30 message areas. Each area is supervised bya `moderator'.A list of moderator will be in a separate file called arealist.txt. The message area moderator: - answers the questions asked in his or her area(s). - watch that users write in the correct language. - redirects messages which are not related to his or her area subject. - watch that users don't misbehave - ScoutNet file areas.There are (at this moment) about 20 file areas. Each area is supervised bya `moderator'.A list of moderators will be in a separate file called arealist.txt. The file area moderator: - is always looking for new files related to his/her area. - always watches that there are no illegal files in his area. - is checking his/her files for virus presence when necessary. - checks his/her files for a right description. Next to the moderators there are BBS sysop's. The sysop's take care ofthe message and file flows between the several bulletin boards connectedto ScoutNet.4. ScoutNet structure.The structure of the network is simple. Each country has a countryco-ordinator (CC), This is the BBS that takes care of the internationaldata-flow.In each country there are Hub's which pick up and sent there data to andfrom the country co-ordinator BBS. All the other bbs's pick up and sentthere data from the hub's.The country co-ordinators sent and receive there data to and from theHeadquarters Scouting BBS The Netherlands. In some cases there will bea country co-ordinator who is central point to his region. (To make thetelephone costs as low as possible e.g. Austria polls to Switzerlandinstead of Holland)5. ScoutNet Rules.In fact there are not too many rules. Nothing that conflicts with the lawis permitted (off course!).See the policy file to find out about the rules.6. How to join ScoutNet.You can join ScoutNet in several ways:- As a Country coordinator- As a HUB- As a bbs- As a point.Please crash mail the completed form (included in this set of files) to71:71/0 or your nearest Region or country Co-Ordinator. You should usethe ScoutNet address 71:71/9999 to send it, no session password is necessary.The answers given will remain STRICTLY confidential and will not be madepublic. The information is sought in order for the network to streamlinethe flow of mail.It is MANDATORY to return this form by way of netmail in order to provethat your system is able to send and receive netmail, since this abilityis a pre-requisite for your participation in the network.We look forward to having you in our network!Richard Prevost (IC), Henk Plantje (sysop) and Peter de Hilster CC NL,Scouting BBS, The NetherlandsPO Box 967, 2003 RZ Haarlem,BBS (Frontdoor-RA) +31 23 243951 (DATA 14k4) or +31 23 248103 (DATA 14K4) JOIN The Future ! (JOIN SCOUTNET!) S C O U T N E T - W E C O N N E C T S C O U T S