--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: CEL00000 Date: 10/13/95 From: SAM ALBRECHT Time: 07:53am \/To: HANS HUSSMANN (Read 3 times) Subj: COUNCIL PATCHES You mean with all the messages you have been sending you still haven't gotten any Vancouver badges. Well we'll just have to correct that real quick. Let me know which ones interest you and I will accomadate. Happy Hunting Sam. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: * Dial-A-File BBS * Vancouver BC Canada * (604)736-FILE * (1:153/776) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: CEL00001 Date: 10/14/95 From: BRIAN TIETZ Time: 02:53pm \/To: ROBERT RAWLS (Read 3 times) Subj: New Boy Scout BBS!! BT> this year my Lutheran youth group and I went to to houstan Texas and BT> thento san Antonio....My Troop wants to get Circuit-Net...So I'll let BT> them haveyour name if you want and you'll certainly be geting lots BT> more mail..:-).. RR> more of the mail, the marrier. oh well, do it if you want to. we RR> don't have a Lutheran youth group. was it an outing that you went to? RR> well i don't have much time left, so i got to go. c-ya till next RR> time.--- Well my church is the one who has the group..well...what kind of camps do you have in Texas?...have you ever heard of camp Narvaro, or of Camp Noyo??...talk to you later.. * SPITFIRE v3.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#139) * Origin: Fantasy Wilderlands/Vetlink #80 * Rohnert Park, CA (1:161/905) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: CEM00000 Date: 10/14/95 From: JOE NEKIEL Time: 02:11pm \/To: LORNE WHITE (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Amer. Chestnut Trees FREE Lorne, no I am not in scouting, in fact I am in whatever is the dead opposite of scouting. The organization I work for is a wilderness treatment center and we currently have 60 hard core juvinile delinquents living at our facility. working with boy scouts is probably comparativly easy compared with what I have to deal with, for the most part they seem to be pretty good kids they just have no direction and fewer skills. Hopefully when they complete the program they manage to stay out of trouble, we can't be doing to bad as 69% of them manage to do OK for at least a year. Joe Nekiel ... Push any key. Then push the any other key. --- GEcho 1.02+ * Origin: FireSide BBS * Rome Ga * (706)295-0650 * FidoNet@ (1:133/3008) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: CEM00001 Date: 10/12/95 From: ANTONY LACEY Time: 12:18pm \/To: LORNE WHITE (Read 3 times) Subj: Hello World Lorne White previously scribbled to Antony Lacey ... LW> Hi Antony: Hiya Lorne... LW> Sorry to hear that there are only 3 BBS in the UK on LW> ScoutNet. Would have thot you'd have more interest over'ome, in I would have thought there'd be a lot of Interest here, but it seems not. There is even a project going on locally to see the best way of keeping groups in touch between groups, HQ etc. but not many people have heard much :-)) LW> checking out the world. Do you think it might be possible to have the LW> 3 of you put city & country in your Origin Taglines? I have added a new origin for this area, now to see if it works :-)) LW> Right now, the only way the rest of us can guess that you're British LW> is because of the long list of numbers which are likely your LW> telephone number, right? Yep, and the +44 is the International code for the Uk anyway .... and some of your colleagues 'from over' there use some code to confuse us here .. e.g not everyone knows that Mi means Michigan or whatever. Unless someone can tell us where these areas are they're still a mystery, some I have made a guess at ... like FL means Florida? LW> Also, would you be interested in chatting up a Canadian Sea LW> Venturer Company? (They should likely be called "Lake" Venturers .....lots of interesting bits cut..... LW> Day (first Monday in October). If your Venturers want to talk to our LW> lads & lasses, I'll get you the Internet address of the Southern LW> Niagara Sea Venturers. We have no Ventures at our troop yet, and Ventures are generally in a decline in our District at the moment (every section goes through these phases) .... but send the address anyway, I myself would like to chat ... Yours In Scouting *Antony* 14th Coventry Sea Scouts, Coventry Uk --- JetMail 0.99beta21 * Origin: All At Sea from Coventry, WM, Uk (fidonet.org 2:2500/706) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: CEM00002 Date: 10/14/95 From: RON BOYD Time: 12:28am \/To: JAY HENDERSON (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Cub Scouting Hello Jay: I went through Cubs as a child, and all the way through Boy Scouts (received Eagle in 1965), but did not go through Exploring. I dropped out of Scouts when I was about 17 years old. I am now 45 years old, have a son in Cubs, and one in Boy Scouts. I am a leader in both (Webelos and ASM). YIS, Ron --- * Origin: The Jack of All BBS - Hartselle, AL - (205)773-2859 (1:3607/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: CEM00003 Date: 10/17/95 From: ROBERT RAWLS Time: 06:35pm \/To: BRIAN TIETZ (Read 3 times) Subj: New Boy Scout BBS!! we have El Rancho Cima, and some camp by Conroe, but i forgot what it's called. we also have Lake Summerville, Lake Conroe. well i have to go. c-ya --- * SPITFIRE v3.5 The Longhorn BBS, Houston, Tx 713-937-8636 *1:106/8636* --- SFScan v2.61 * Origin: The Longhorn BBS, Houston,Tx (1:106/8636.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: CEP00000 Date: 10/17/95 From: TJ PAYNE Time: 05:01pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: BSA Unit Membership polic For Your Information: The following is a letter from P. Karl Rowley Director, Council Services Division on National Stationary Boy Scout Logo Boy Scouts of America National Office 1325 West Walnut Hill Lane P.O. Box 152079 Irving, Texas 75015-2079 214-580-2000 TO: Scout Executives DATE: August 1995 FROM: P. Karl Rowley Director, Council Services Division SUBJECT: UNIT MEMBERSHIP POLICY The National Executive Board of the Boy Scouts of America approved the following policy at the NAtional meeting on May 19,1995, Chicago, IL. This policy provides the authority for a Scouting unit to determine its own youth membership. It will be included in the next printing of the Rules and Regulations, No. 57-492. In addition, as the following publications are updated the statement will be included: "Cub Scout Leader Book", No. 33220; "Scoutmasters Handbook", No. 33002; "Troop Committee Guidebook", and, Explorer Leader Handbook", No. 34637. "RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE BSA", ARTICLE XI, CLAUSE 7A "Scouting units are small, intimate groups. In the Cub Scouting and Boy Scout programs the units are made up of even smaller groups, dens and patrols, which often meet regularly in private homes. So long as they are faithful to Scouting's membership philosophy, set forth below, it is for the unit to determine on the basis of considerations such as group size or youth behavior whether to admit or to continue the membership of a youth member. It is the philosophy of the Scouting movement to welcome all boys and young people, regardless of race or ethnic background, who are willing to accept Scoutings values and meet other requirements of membership. Young people of all religious backgrounds are welcomed in Scouting, some participating in units for boys of a particular religion and the greater majority participating in units open to members of various religious backgrounds". If you have any questions please call (214) 580-2102 The above letter was given to the District Commissioners at a Council staff meeting, and was suggested to give a copy to all of the Commissioners Staff in all 8 Districts --- * QMPro 1.53 * I lurk quietly and carry a big OFF/ON switch. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Cyclops BBS 813-925-3776 (1:137/401.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: CEP00001 Date: 10/02/95 From: FRED WELCH Time: 12:19am \/To: HELEN HAWKINS (Read 3 times) Subj: fundraising Helen Hawkins to ALL, 09-28-95: HH> ..."Intro to Scouting" course ... for any adults who are new ... HH> I'd like to present a wide range of fundraising ideas from a HH> broad spectrum of the Scouting world. Troop 36, Denver Area Council, BSA uses some of the standard funders - $25 supermarket gift certificates (discounted for up to 10% profit if bought in $10K lots), an annual "garage sale" that encludes T-36, another BSA Troop, a couple Cub Packs, & an Explorer Post (approx. a SC group), etc. The Troop is large-ish, so we need lots of gear, & our service area is mostly affluent 'burb, so the parents & Scouts expect top quality stuff: annual budget is around $22K. Supermarket certs bring in about $1000/month, 2/3 of which goes into the Troop general fund, & 1/3 to selling Scouts' accounts (for dues, summer camp, Philmont, weekend outings for which there's an outlay (ski trips, etc.), & outdoors gear). A lot of High School clubs/teams use the same funder, so our participation is about 40%. It brings in less per year, but we've most enjoyed selling gift certificates for pies from a local bakery/restaurant (kind of upscale, with an in-house bakery & yuppie bar). Whole pie normally sells for $7.95. Store sells Troop certs @ $4.00/. We sell 'em for $6.95. Scout gets $2.00 in his personal account, unit gets $1.95 per cert for general operating funds. The end-user gets a $1 discount, plus the envelope each cert comes in has on it a two-for- one dinner coupon. The restaurant gets guaranteed volume at cost for the bakery side of the business, advertising that they get *paid* for, plus a sizeable percentage of the people come in for dinner (to use the twofer coupon) when they pick up the pie, which is perceptible revenue. *Plus* there are always certs that are never redeemed, & which represent pure profit. Everybody gets a good deal out of the transaction. First couple of years, we sold 1000 certs. 3rd yr we sold 2000. 4th yr 2500. 5th yr 3000. Each year we sold out inside 10 days, & could have sold more if they'd been available. But 3000 turned out to strain the resources of the bakery side, & for the last 2 yrs we could only get 2500. Sold 'em all in 7 days. 2500 seems to be a number that keeps the restaurant mngmt happy, so unless they expand, that's what'll be available this spring & in the future. I myself buy 10 just for myself, plus 10 for the annual day-long PLC planning retreat. The Troop buys 50 for things like Annual Banquet, annual 2-day Committee planning retreat, & special events. Scouts compete to see who sells the most. 3-Scout teams, with an adult supervisor/driver. Each Scout is issued 10 certs, & the adult is issued 50. When a Scout sells 10 (often at the first 2-3 houses he tries), the adult issues another 10. When all 80 are sold, the team collects another 80 from the Fundraiser Chair. It's not uncommon for a team to sell 160 each night. After the drive is over, we hold a just-for-fun meeting in place of a regular Troop meeting. Each Scout on the team that sold the most gets to paste the SPL in the face with a pie, and the top individual gets to pie the adult of his choice (it's considered a significant honor to be chosen). Every Scout who sold 10 or more gets to participate in a no-hands pie eating contest. Top 5 sellers & the pie-eating winner rcv prizes donated by local Coleman distributor. *Very* popular meeting! :-) * Origin: Missing Link Indian Hills CO USA 303-697-4097 (1:104/693) * OLX 2.2 TD * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: The Missing Link BBS (1:104/693.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: CEP00002 Date: 10/12/95 From: FRED WELCH Time: 03:07am \/To: FREDERICK OSBORNE (Read 3 times) Subj: Totn' Chip Frederick Osborne to ALL, 08-Oct-95: FO> I would be interested in hearing how other Boy Scout units FO> operate and manage their Totn' Chip programs. I'm Outdoor Program Chair for T-36, & Health & Safety Chair for T-361, Denver Area Council, BSA, and share with my opposite numbers responsibility for oversight of the Troops' YPP, Totin' Chip, Firem'n Chit, Safe Swim Defense, and Safety Afloat programs, plus an in-house program we call "Campstove Quals" (qualification to use specific campstove models, in response to "...under qualified adult supervision..."). In Ts-36/361, all these safety qualification programs are integrated into overall Program, H&S, and except for YPP, into Outdoor Program as well. Totin' Chip & Firem'n Chit begin at the Webelos level: we run get-acquainted/shakedown overnight campouts at an edge-of-town State Recreation Area a month before and a month after Crossover, and the meetings that precede 'em are devoted to preparation. Because these close-in overnighters are a "gift" night under canvas for anyone with the slightest experience, and an easy way to show both Scout Spirit and leadership abilities, they are very popular with the veteran Scouts. Visiting Webelos are integrated into New Scout Patrols. Vet Scouts, Troop Guides & Instructors, & Patrol Advisors go over the fundamentals of Scout Patrol camping at the prep mtgs with the younger guys, covering theories behind knife/saw/axe/handaxe use, fire-building, sanitation, shelter types/selection/erecting, & giving practical demos. Scouts arrive for the campouts Friday night, Webelos on Saturday morning. New Scouts & again-integrated Webelos spend Saturday a.m. rotating thru a variable selection of skill-instruction stations, taught by TGs & Is, monitored by ASMs & PAs, and under general direction of New Scout ASPL & ASM. Typically, each session is 1 hr & 15 minutes in length. Station's adult supervisor introduces topic, relates BSA requirements to safety realities, and introduces youth instructors. Instructors review the specific requirement, demo the techniques, do a fast Q&A, lead newbies through hands-on practice, and do a summation. Adult super signs off Scouts who satisfy requirements. Saturday p.m. consists of wider Patrol activities that are mostly just-for-fun but lay foundations for later skill instruction. Guys who didn't complete an a.m. session requirement - or who are simply interested - may break free for a while & infiltrate a.m. stations to pick up details missed earlier or additional tips. Fire-building & knife/saw/axe/handaxe stations always have a couple kids in 'em. Depending on what the afternoon activities are, there may or may not be a vet Scout running a given station then, but the adult super is there for the day: we've tried rotating adults to a new station after lunch to keep 'em from getting bored to tears, but the kids who show up in the p.m. do much better when there's JL & AL continuity. Saturday evening provides lots of opportunities to put into practice skills introduced during the day - the kids *love* to pull tents down & put 'em back up, and to do all the Totin' Chip things. The *hard* parts are to find enough knives & hatchets & saws that need sharpening, and Patrols for whom to build cooking fires! Meeting following the outing, PLs & ASPL review campout for entire Troop, & SPL recognizes Scouts who advanced or rcvd Chips/Chits. This way, Webelos get a ground-school, 2 campouts with skill sessions, immediate review, and follow-up on the fun stuff in Boy Scouting. At the pre-Crossover camp, about 30% of the New Scouts get it for the second time & 60% for the third, so they easily fulfill Boy Scout requirements that they haven't covered during the excursions since themselves Crossing, & have a no-hassle weekend campout. At the outing following Crossover, everybody gets yet another crack at everything, and the reiteration really solidifies the skills. It is everyone's 2nd no-hassle campout, generally 3rd, & for some it is #4. Drawback: it is adult- and JL-intensive. PLC has to have a special session to plan the pre-Crossover outing (our PLCs change just before then, but they've a good blueprint & recent experience for the post-Crossover iteration), and we try very hard to tap the Webelos' parents for Sat/Sun supervision. * Origin: Missing Link Indian Hills CO USA 303-697-4097 (1:104/693) * OLX 2.2 TD * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: The Missing Link BBS (1:104/693.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 237 SCOUTING #2 Ref: CEP00003 Date: 10/17/95 From: ROBERT E. MURPHY Time: 08:38pm \/To: GABBY CZERTOK (Read 3 times) Subj: World Jamboree Hello, I am sorry I have not written to you sooner. July 10th I left for Scout camp and did not get back until July 23rd. In less than 24 hours I had to leave to meet my Explorer post for the Jamboree. I did not get back into the USA until Aug. 22nd. I had to start school right away and I have not had much time to call my local BBS. I had a great time at the jamboree, did you? I am sorry I could not find you there. Mabey you saw me or my group: There was only 90 of us from the US, we were wearing the dark green shirts with green shoulder loops. I have to go. Robert E. Murphy P.S. Would you want to exchange contingent bagdes? --- PCBoard (R) v15.21/5 * Origin: The ACCESS System - Huntsville, Alabama (1:373/9)