--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: F3J00001 Date: 03/14/98 From: TERRY MAY Time: 08:09am \/To: STEVE QUARRELLA (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Rose-colored glasses Re: _Rose-colored glasses_, Steve Quarrella wrote to Terry May on 12 Mar 98: SQ> Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was referring to the HOF's ban on Rose, not SQ> MLB's. You were clear. However, I know of no such ban by the HOF. MLB made Rose ineligible for the HOF voters to even have a say-so on whether or not he could be inducted. They took it completely out of their hands. TM>> MLB has banned him from even being CONSIDERED by the Hall of TM>> Fame voters. SQ> SQ> That's not what I'm gathering from what I've read on the HOF's own web SQ> site. I'll post a FAQ they have about Rose in the next message. That would be nice, because they were very upset about it when it happened, that they weren't allowed to decide for themselves whether or not he was worthy of induction. SQ> I think the issue is that Rose gambled on baseball, and may have SQ> gambled on his own team. This reminds me: Weren't Mays and Mantle SQ> essentially booted out of baseball a few years ago, given their SQ> association with casino gambling? I need a refresher on this one. I know Mays was, but I'm not sure about Mantle. I think you're right about him, too. Yet George Steinbrenner is allowed own a team while being involved with race horses. ... Atlanta Braves - 1995 World Series Champions! --- JetMail 1.00alpha0 * Origin: Terry.May@rebel.ronly.org - Las Vegas, Nevada (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: F3J00002 Date: 03/14/98 From: TERRY MAY Time: 08:14am \/To: STEVE QUARRELLA (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: HOF's position on Pete Rose Re: _HOF's position on Pete Rose_, Steve Quarrella wrote to All on 12 Mar : SQ> *The Hall of Fame should have let the writers decide as to Rose's SQ> right to be elected. By depriving the BBWAA of this option, the Hall SQ> of Fame has questioned the writers' integrity. SQ> SQ> This decision has nothing whatsoever to do with the Hall of Fame's SQ> concern over how the writers might have voted in 1992. Very simply, SQ> our Board felt that it would be incongruous for anyone who has been SQ> declared ineligible by Baseball and therefore banned from the nation's SQ> ballparks, to still be eligible for Baseball's greatest honor. Okay, this is where I was confused. It was the writers who were upset about having it taken out of their hands. I sit corrected. Thanks for the informative post. ... (^:b Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Neagle d:^) --- JetMail 1.00alpha0 * Origin: Terry.May@rebel.ronly.org - Las Vegas, Nevada (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: F3J00003 Date: 03/14/98 From: TERRY MAY Time: 08:15am \/To: RIC JOHNSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Rose-colored glasses Re: _Rose-colored glasses_, Ric Johnson wrote to Terry May on 12 Mar 98: >>> And what if you killed your neighbor? You'd be a murderer. RJ> RJ> I don't even own a gun. If I did, and I had shot at my neighbor, RJ> chances are I could be charged with murder. But, I don't own a gun. Who said anything about a gun? You have a knife, don't you? So I guess I can hypothesize that you may have stabbed someone with it. RJ> Pete Rose gambles. And he gambled on sporting events. You ever been RJ> around someone with this uh, weakness? Gimme a break. Yeah, I live in Las Vegas. Gimme a break. RJ> Pete brought his troubles on, and got what he deserved. I don't dispute that. I'm only saying it's unfair to suggest he did stuff for which there is no evidence. Judge him by why he DID, not by what he COULD have done. RJ> The scenario I set up above was hypothetical. What Rose did was not. Well, why even bother with hypotheticals, if you feel Rose got what he deserved based on his actions? RJ> He admits to having bet on contests. Actually, he admits to betting on football. He has never admitted (at least publically) to betting on baseball (though from what I understand, there is strong evidence that he did just that). ... (^:b Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Neagle d:^) --- JetMail 1.00alpha0 * Origin: Terry.May@rebel.ronly.org - Las Vegas, Nevada (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: F3K00000 Date: 03/15/98 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 08:43am \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Recent activities Terry was waived by Sparky Anderson and then ranted: TM> AFAIC, agents are mouthpieces for their clients. So if Falk says it, TM> it's virtually the same thing as Jordan saying it. It's a good thing that the courts don't take your view. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Marge Schott, the cure for Baseball Fever (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: F3L00000 Date: 03/15/98 From: ALAN HESS Time: 01:45pm \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Rose-colored glasses Whilst masticating on , Terry May (1:209/745) wrote to Steve Quarrella: TM> I know Mays was, but I'm not sure about Mantle. I think you're TM> right about him, too. Yet George Steinbrenner is allowed own a TM> team while being involved with race horses. Wasn't George banished for a year or two for associating with a known gambler? *adh* --- Msged/2 4.10 * Origin: Nerve Center - Source of the SPINAL_INJURY echo! (1:261/1000) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: F3L00001 Date: 03/16/98 From: STEVE QUARRELLA Time: 11:43pm \/To: DEBORAH GIBSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Recent activities Hello, Deborah... Old message, I know, but: Saturday February 21 1998, Deborah Gibson said to Bill Tracy: DG> Yes, and Briggs/Tiger Stadium, as funky as it looks, is one of the dest I'm still wondering how Tiger Stadium looks "funky," unless you're talking about the fat bubba in front of it in 1984, with a car burning as he held up his Tigers banner. :-) --- GoldED 3.00.Beta2+ - Spank Our Wombats! * Origin: Valencia: "Smarter than the average bear." (1:124/9005) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: F3M00000 Date: 03/16/98 From: RIC JOHNSON Time: 10:34pm \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Rose-colored glasses >> >>> And what if you killed your neighbor? You'd be a murderer. >> RJ> >> RJ> I don't even own a gun. If I did, and I had shot at my neighbor, >> RJ> chances are I could be charged with murder. But, I don't own a gun. >>Who said anything about a gun? You have a knife, don't you? So I guess I ca >>hypothesize that you may have stabbed someone with it. I guess you could make that leap. And, I'd be in trouble if there was as much evidence against me as there was against Pete. >> RJ> Pete Rose gambles. And he gambled on sporting events. You ever been >> RJ> around someone with this uh, weakness? Gimme a break. >>Yeah, I live in Las Vegas. Gimme a break. Well, then you know how people afflicted with serious gambling problems can be. >> RJ> Pete brought his troubles on, and got what he deserved. >>I don't dispute that. I'm only saying it's unfair to suggest he did stuff fo >>which there is no evidence. Judge him by why he DID, not by what he COULD >>have done. Fair enough. Those things that are known were enough to convict him, and as such, those things were enough to ban him from baseball. >> RJ> The scenario I set up above was hypothetical. What Rose did was not. >>Well, why even bother with hypotheticals, if you feel Rose got what he >>deserved based on his actions? It was probably far worse than what has been made known. I was just speculating on some possibilities concerning his possibly having bet on the Reds. I certainly didn't state it as something that DID happen. >> RJ> He admits to having bet on contests. >>Actually, he admits to betting on football. He has never admitted (at east >>publically) to betting on baseball (though from what I understand, there is >>strong evidence that he did just that). To change the subject just a bit.... Did the Reds organization mess up in letting Pete talk to their minor leaguers recently, or what? Ric * OLX 2.1 * Press any key to continue or any other key to quit --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0074 * Origin: The Arsenal of Freedom - Garland, TX - 972-271-5410 (1:124/9006) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: F3M00001 Date: 03/16/98 From: TERRY MAY Time: 07:59am \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Recent activities Re: _Recent activities_, Ed Grinnell wrote to Terry May on 15 Mar 98: EG> Terry was waived by Sparky Anderson and then ranted: EG> TM>> AFAIC, agents are mouthpieces for their clients. So if Falk says it, TM>> it's virtually the same thing as Jordan saying it. EG> EG> It's a good thing that the courts don't take your view. I wouldn't want them to. I'm just saying that when Jordan's agent asks for something for Jordan, he's speaking for him. It's naive to think agents act completely on their own, especially when someone as powerful and savvy as Jordan is involved. ... Atlanta Braves - Six straight division titles! --- JetMail 1.00alpha0 * Origin: Terry.May@rebel.ronly.org - Las Vegas, Nevada (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: F3M00002 Date: 03/16/98 From: TERRY MAY Time: 08:02am \/To: ALAN HESS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Rose-colored glasses Re: _Rose-colored glasses_, Alan Hess wrote to Terry May on 15 Mar 98: AH> Wasn't George banished for a year or two for associating with a known AH> gambler? *adh* Not that I can recall. I can remember a suspension, but I don't remember what it was for. How can you own horse races without being associated with gambling? Horse racing is not a sport; it's a betting event. That's its whole purpose for existance. And AFAIK, he still has horse racing interests. ... (^:b Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Neagle d:^) --- JetMail 1.00alpha0 * Origin: Terry.May@rebel.ronly.org - Las Vegas, Nevada (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: F3M00003 Date: 03/17/98 From: STEVE QUARRELLA Time: 11:53am \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Rose-colored glasses Hello Terry. HOF>> *The Hall of Fame should have let the writers decide as to HOF>> Rose's right to be elected. By depriving the BBWAA of this option, HOF>> the Hall of Fame has questioned the writers' integrity. This HOF>> decision has nothing whatsoever to do with the Hall of Fame's HOF>> concern over how the writers might have voted in 1992. Very simply, HOF>> our Board felt that it would be incongruous for anyone who has been HOF>> declared ineligible by Baseball and therefore banned from the HOF>> nation's ballparks, to still be eligible for Baseball's greatest HOF>> honor. TM> Okay, this is where I was confused. It was the writers who were TM> upset about having it taken out of their hands. Yup. That FAQ clarified a LOT of things for me when I first found it some time ago. No thanks to the media, of course. :-) TM> I sit corrected. No problem. My intention wasn't to correct you, but rather, provide some facts for the discussion at hand. :) TM> Thanks for the informative post. Any time. SQ>> I think the issue is that Rose gambled on baseball, and may have SQ>> gambled on his own team. This reminds me: Weren't Mays and SQ>> Mantle essentially booted out of baseball a few years ago, given As an aside, my wife was hospitalized right across the hall from Mickey Mantle at Baylor Hospital when he was on his last legs. For a guy who was dying, he sure sounded strong, and he and his party made plenty of noise, leaving me in the position of wringing my hands and wondering if I should go piss on the parade and be the "asshole" who made one of Mantle's last days a heartache, just so my wife (who had just had some serious surgery) could get some sleep! [I left him alone.] TM> I know Mays was, but I'm not sure about Mantle. OK, I got some scoop on Mantle: February 8, 1983 One day after taking a job as director of sports promotions for Claridge Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, NJ, Mickey Mantle is ordered to sever his ties with ML baseball by Commissioner Kuhn. Mantle joins fellow Hall of Famer Willie Mays as players banned from baseball by Kuhn for involvement with legalized gambling. Then-commissioner Peter Ueberroth reinstated both of them on March 18, 1985. Unfortunately, I can't find any details on Mays's ban, other than that his employment by an Atlantic City casino figured into it. TM> about him, too. Yet George Steinbrenner is allowed own a team while TM> being involved with race horses. I understand, also, that there has been some interest on the part of Mike Illitch's wife as regards a Detroit casino. Speaking of Steinbrenner, we have our own little Hitler here in Dallas (Cowboys head coach, er, owner), and the guy has really made me appreciate the Martin/Steinbrenner/Jackson wars of the 70s. Those guys made bickering fun. :) --- GoldED/W32 3.00.Beta2+ * Origin: Il Vaticano (1:124/9005.13)