--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EFP00000 Date: 11/19/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 07:44pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Tampa Bay Picks * Crossposted in SPORTS * Crossposted in ML-BASEBALL Tampa Bay Devil Rays 1st Round Pick Player Pos. Age Former club 1. Tony Saunders LHP 23 Florida 4. Quinton McCracken OF 27 Colorado 6. Bob Abreu OF 23 Houston (traded to Philadelphia for shortstop Kevin Stocker). 8. Miguel Cairo 2B 23 Chicago Cubs 10. Rich Butler OF 24 Toronto 12. Bobby Smith 3B 23 Atlanta 14. Jason Johnson RHP 24 Pittsburgh 16. Dmitri Young 1B 24 Cincinnati (traded back to Cincinnati) 18. Esteban Yan RHP 23 Baltimore 20. Mike DiFelice C 28 St. Louis 22. Bubba Trammell OF 26 Detroit 24. Andy Sheets SS 25 Seattle (traded to San Diego - see pick number 30) 26. Dennis Springer RHP 32 Anaheim 28. Dan Carlson RHP 27 San Francisco 2nd Round Pick Player Pos. Age Former club 30. Brian Boehringer RHP 27 New York Yankees (traded to San Diego with infielder Andy Sheets for catcher John Flaherty) 32. Mike Duvall LHP 23 Florida 34. John LeRoy RHP 22 Atlanta 36. Jim Mecir RHP 27 Boston 38. Bryan Rekar RHP 25 Colorado 40. Rick Gorecki RHP 24 Los Angeles 42. Ramon Tatis LHP 24 Chicago Cubs 44. Kerry Robinson OF 24 St. Louis 46. Steve Cox 1B 23 Oakland 48. Albie Lopez RHP 25 Cleveland 50. Jose Paniagua RHP 28 Montreal 52. Carlos Mendoza OF 23 New York Mets 54. Ryan Karp LHP 27 Philadelphia 56. Santos Hernandez RHP 25 San Francisco 3rd Round 58. Randy Winn OF 23 Florida 60. Terrell Wade LHP 24 Atlanta 62. Aaron Ledesma SS 26 Baltimore 64. Brooks Kieschnick 1B 25 Chicago Cubs 66. Luke Wilcox OF 24 New York Yankees 68. Herbert Perry 1B 28 Cleveland 70. Vaughn Eshelman LHP 28 Oakland --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Jerry Jones is the Anti-Christ (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EFP00001 Date: 11/19/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 07:44pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Arizona Picks * Crossposted in SPORTS * Crossposted in ML-BASEBALL Arizona Diamondbacks 1st Round Pick Player Pos. Age Former club 2. Brian Anderson LHP 24 Cleveland 3. Jeff Suppan RHP 24 Boston 5. Gabe Alvarez 3B 23 San Diego (traded to Detroit with infielder Joe Randa and pitcher Matt Drews for third baseman Travis Fryman) 7. Jorge Fabregas C 27 Chicago White Sox 9. Karim Garcia OF 22 Los Angeles 11. Edwin Diaz 2B 22 Texas 13. Cory Lidle RHP 25 New York Mets 15. Joel Adamson LHP 26 Milwaukee 17. Ben Ford RHP 22 New York Yankees 19. Yamil Benitez OF 25 Kansas City 21. Neil Weber LHP 24 Montreal 23. Jason Boyd RHP 24 Philadelphia 25. Brent Brede OF 26 Minnesota 27. Tony Batista SS 23 Oakland 2nd Round Pick Player Pos. Age Former club 29. Tom Martin LHP 27 Houston 31. Omar Daal LHP 25 Toronto 33. Scott Winchester RHP 24 Cincinnati (traded back to Cincinnati) 35. Clint Sodowsky RHP 25 Pittsburgh 37. Danny Klassen SS 22 Milwaukee 39. Matt Drews RHP 23 Detroit (traded back to Detroit. See pick number 5) 41. Todd Erdos RHP 23 San Diego 43. Chris Clemons RHP 25 Chicago White Sox 45. David Dellucci OF 24 Baltimore 47. Damian Miller C 28 Minnesota 49. Hector Carrasco RHP 28 Kansas City 51. Hanley Frias SS 23 Texas 53. Bob Wolcott RHP 24 Seattle 55. Mike Bell 3B 22 Anaheim 3rd Round 57. Joe Randa 3B 27 Pittsburgh (traded to Detroit. See pick number 5) 59. Jesus Martinez LHP 23 Los Angeles (traded to Florida for centerfielder Devon White) 61. Russ Springer RHP 29 Houston 63. Bryan Corey RHP 24 Detroit 65. Kelly Stinnett C 27 Milwaukee 67. Chuck McElroy LHP 30 Chicago White Sox (traded to Colorado for outfielder Harvey Pulliam) 69. Marty Janzen RHP 24 Toronto --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: is the best freshman I've ever seen - Vitale (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EFP00002 Date: 11/19/97 From: BRUCE MARSHALL Time: 12:44am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Lansing Hi everybody, It was just announced the Mike Lansing has been traded to the Rockies, but, who did Montreal get in return? Bruce --- * Origin: Kings Knights BBS Ottawa, Ontario (1:163/118) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EFP00003 Date: 11/19/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 11:33am \/To: BRUCE MARSHALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Lansing Bruce was waived by Sparky Anderson and then ranted: BM> It was just announced the Mike Lansing has been traded to the Rockies, BM> but, who did Montreal get in return? I'll let you know that as well as several others: ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS -- Acquired third baseman Travis Fryman from the Detroit Tigers for infielders Joe Randa and Gabe Alvarez and pitcher Matt Drews; acquired outfielder Devon White from the Florida Marlins for pitcher Jesus Martinez; acquired outfielder Harvey Pulliam from the Colorado Rockies for pitcher Chuck McElroy. BOSTON RED SOX -- Acquired pitcher Pedro Martinez from the Montreal Expos for pitcher Carl Pavano and a player to be named; agreed to terms with free agent pitcher Bret Saberhagen on a one-year, $1.6 million contract. CHICAGO CUBS -- Acquired pitcher Kurt Miller from the Florida Marlins for a player to be named. CINCINNATI REDS -- Acquired first baseman Dmitri Young from the Tampa Bay Devil Rays as the player to be named later in the Nov. 11 trade for outfielder Mike Kelly; acquired pitcher Scott Winchester from the Arizona Diamondbacks as the player to be named later in the Nov. 11 trade for pitcher Felix Rodriguez. COLORADO ROCKIES -- Acquired second baseman Mike Lansing from the Montreal Expos for pitchers Jake Westbrook and John Nicholson and outfielder Mike Hamlin; re-signed free agent catcher Jeff Reed to a two-year, $2.6 million contract; signed free agent infielder Jeff Huson, who had been with the Milwaukee Brewers, to a minor-league contract. DETROIT TIGERS -- Re-signed first baseman Tony Clark to a four-year contract. MILWAUKEE BREWERS -- Re-signed free agent pitcher Doug Jones to a one-year, $3 million contract with a club option for 1999. NNEW YORK YANKEES -- Acquired third baseman Scott Brosius from the Oakland Athletics as the player to be named later in the Nov. 7 trade for pitcher Kenny Rogers. PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES -- Acquired outfielder Bobby Abreu from the Tampa Bay Devil Rays for shortstop Kevin Stocker. SAN DIEGO PADRES -- Acquired pitcher Brian Boehringer and infielder Andy Sheets from the Tampa Bay Devil Rays for catcher John Flaherty. SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS -- Acquired pitcher Robb Nen from the Florida Marlins for pitchers Joe Fontenot, Mike Villano and Mick Pageler. SEATTLE MARINERS -- Agreed to terms with second baseman Joey Cora on a one-year, $1.65 million contract with a club option for 1999. TAMPA BAY DEVIL RAYS -- Signed free agent pitcher Roberto Hernandez, who had been with the San Francisco Giants, to a four-year contract, $22.5 million with a club option for 2002; acquired first baseman Fred McGriff from the Atlanta Braves for a player to be named; named Frank Howard bench coach, Greg Riddoch third base coach, Billy Hatcher first base coach, Rick Williams pitching coach and Steve Henderson hitting coach. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Support Pete Rose and Nolan Ryan for the HOF (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EFP00004 Date: 11/19/97 From: TERRY MAY Time: 07:07pm \/To: GEORGE HARPER (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: MVP Re: _MVP_, George Harper wrote to Anthony Jones on 17 Nov 97: GH> And an even greater day for Denver, for Colorado, AND for the GH> Rockies. The team is FINALLY starting to get some of the respect it GH> deserves. It's the first time they've had a worthy candidate. ... (^:b Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Neagle d:^) --- JetMail 0.99alpha23 * Origin: #[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V.E]-[702/736-2822]# (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EFQ00000 Date: 11/20/97 From: GEORGE HARPER Time: 10:47pm \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: MVP -=> Quoting Terry May to George Harper <=- TM> Re: _MVP_, George Harper wrote to Anthony Jones on 17 Nov 97: GH> And an even greater day for Denver, for Colorado, AND for the GH> Rockies. The team is FINALLY starting to get some of the respect it GH> deserves. TM> It's the first time they've had a worthy candidate. If that's wht it takes to be "worthy" of the MVP (49 homers, 400+ total bases, .366 average, 110+ RBI) how did other teams' players qualify in years past? The last player to put up numbers close to this was Hank Aaron... By your reasoning, none of the intervening MVP's were worthy of the award...or do your qualifications apply ONLY to the Rockies because of the PERCEIVED advantage of the "Mile High" altitude? (If the advantage were REAL, wouldn't the Rockies have a near-perfect home record?) I sincerely hope that some of the critics of High-Altitude Baseball come to Denver for the AllStar game in July...they'll find out that it's baseball as good as anywhere in the country. ... ARRRRRGGGHHH!!!! ... Tension breaker, had to be done. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- mil failte, caraid * Origin: mil failte from Halls Of Tara BBS 1(303)480-0195 (1:104/447) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EFQ00001 Date: 11/17/97 From: TERRY MAY Time: 01:44pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: The Marlin's were destined to win! * Originally from Area 'BRAVES' * Originally from Eric Edlin on 1:209/10, 17 Nov 97 13:44:23 * Originally to All on 1:209/745 * Forwarded by Terry May on 1:209/745, 20 Nov 97 20:47:08 Apparently-to: Braves.List@REBEL.RONLY.ORG From: Eric Edlin Subject: The Marlin's were destined to win! Came across this today and thought it was a pretty funny....coincidence!!??!!?? If any of you remember the movie "Back to the Future II" you will recall that Bif goes to the future and steals a Sports Almanac, where in turn he goes ack to the past to give it to young Bif. As we all know Young Bif was able to become very wealthy by betting on games where he already knew the final ore. In an obscure line you hear young Bif say "Florida is going to win the World Series in 1997, yeah right" This movie came out in 1987, ten years before the Marlins did actually win he world series. And what's really weird is that Florida didn't even have a baseball team in 1987. Make you go hmmmmmmm... doesn't it. Eric -- Eric P. Edlin HE Diags/Test Eng Phone (650) 933-5201 "Progress always involves risk; you can't steal second base and keep your oot on first." ~Frederick Wilcox -!- ... Atlanta Braves - 1995 World Series Champions! --- JetMail 0.99alpha23 * Origin: #[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V.E]-[702/736-2822]# (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EFR00000 Date: 11/21/97 From: MARK MEDINA Time: 04:55pm \/To: ANTHONY JONES (Read 2 times) Subj: MVP AJ> Well for the first time in Major League Baseball AJ> history, a Canadian has won the MVP award. Larry AJ> Walker, pride of Maple Ridge British Columbia, AJ> Canada, has won the NL MVP! It is a great day for AJ> Canadian baseball and baseball in general. Right on!!! Vive le Canada!!! My congrats to him!! but let us not forget that for the first time in canadian baseball history, both Cy Youngs went to both canadian baseball cities!! --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EFR00001 Date: 11/21/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 10:26am \/To: GEORGE HARPER (Read 2 times) Subj: MVP The Braves traded George Harper to the Pirates for saying: GH> If that's wht it takes to be "worthy" of the MVP (49 homers, 400+ GH> total bases, .366 average, 110+ RBI) how did other teams' players Those numbers aren't as impressive as you make them and what helped him was the fact that he did a good job on the road. Had he had a year like he and his teammates had had for the past couple of years (kick butt at home and roll over dead on the road), Walker would have finished a lot lower than 2nd. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Striking a blow to purists (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EFR00002 Date: 11/21/97 From: TERRY MAY Time: 06:49am \/To: GEORGE HARPER (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: MVP Re: _MVP_, George Harper wrote to Terry May on 20 Nov 97: TM>> It's the first time they've had a worthy candidate. GH> GH> If that's wht it takes to be "worthy" of the MVP (49 homers, 400+ GH> total bases, .366 average, 110+ RBI) how did other teams' players GH> qualify in years past? The last player to put up numbers close to GH> this was Hank Aaron... By your reasoning, none of the intervening GH> MVP's were worthy of the award... I never said those numbers were required to be worthy of the award. What I said was it was the first time they've had a worthy candidate, meaning there was always someone who had a better year, after making park adjustments. GH> or do your qualifications apply ONLY to the Rockies because of the GH> PERCEIVED advantage of the "Mile High" altitude? (If the advantage There's nothing perceived about it. It's a FACT that there are a LOT more runs scored in Coors Field than in the average ball park. That makes hits, runs and RBIs less valuable there than, say, Dodger Stadium. There is no disputing that fact. GH> were REAL, wouldn't the Rockies have a near-perfect home record?) Huh?? You're missing the point. Both teams hit and score more runs at Coors Field. The high altitude doesn't just help Rockies hitters, though it helps them pad their stats over the course of a season, because they play half their games there. GH> I sincerely hope that some of the critics of High-Altitude Baseball GH> come to Denver for the AllStar game in July...they'll find out that GH> it's baseball as good as anywhere in the country. I don't know what this has to do with the MVP award, but in any case, one single game is not going to prove anything. ... Atlanta Braves - 1991, 1992, 1995 & 1996 National League Champions! --- JetMail 0.99alpha23 * Origin: #[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V.E]-[702/736-2822]# (1:209/745)