--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EEK00015 Date: 10/16/97 From: TERRY MAY Time: 01:18pm \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: YOU MEAN.... Re: _YOU MEAN...._, Ed Grinnell wrote to Olivia Stanford on 16 Oct 97: EG> Olivia Stanford gave up a long homer to Otis Nixon and said: EG> OS>> Congrats to the Ump's for sucessfully making the odds greater so OS>> the marlins could win. EG> EG> The umps took away from both teams. The Marlins won fair and square. Hardly. When the umpire changes the rules for both teams, that doesn't make it fair for both teams; it makes it UNfair for both teams. There was nothing "fair and square" about Eric Gregg's strike zone. Now I'm not saying the Braves would have won the series had the games been called correctly, but I am saying that in many cases, the umpires took the game out of the player's hands, and whether they were consistant or not, that's NOT fair. It's no better than an umpire deciding two strikes is a strikeout, but one team adjusts better to his rules than the other team. ... PITCHERS.BAT found! Delete DH.SYS (Y/y)? --- JetMail 0.99alpha23 * Origin: #[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V.E]-[702/736-2822]# (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EEL00000 Date: 10/16/97 From: TERRY MAY Time: 07:34pm \/To: BRUCE MARSHALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Braves Re: _NLCS_, Bruce Marshall wrote to Barry Laws on 16 Oct 97: BM> I said it even before the season started that the Braves were a lot BM> weaker defensively for getting rid of Grissom for Lofton in centre and BM> I was shot down saying that I didn't know anything about Lofton. The Braves will be MUCH better defensively next year with Andruw Jones in CF and anyone but McGriff at 1B. BM> I still consider Grissom one of the best defensive CF in baseball and BM> Lofton just slightly below average defensively. I'm not sure I'd rate Lofton /that/ high, though his speed does make up for a lot of mistakes. ... Atlanta Braves - 1995 World Series Champions! --- JetMail 0.99alpha23 * Origin: #[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V.E]-[702/736-2822]# (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EEL00001 Date: 10/16/97 From: TERRY MAY Time: 07:42pm \/To: DAVE HASSLER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: "Strike Zone" Re: _"Strike Zone"_, Dave Hassler wrote to Ed Grinnell on 16 Oct 97: DH> Are you saying that if the strike zone was called as written that DH> there'd be fewer shutouts? Or would there be more? IMO, it would lead to more home runs, because pitchers would be forced to throw over the plate, but you'd also see more strikeouts, because they'd get the high pitch (which can also lead to more home runs). The power pitchers would really benefit, but the finesse pitchers would have a tougher time. ... Multitasking: Start download; grab a beer; watch some baseball. --- JetMail 0.99alpha23 * Origin: #[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V.E]-[702/736-2822]# (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EEL00002 Date: 10/16/97 From: OLIVIA STANFORD Time: 08:55pm \/To: BRUCE MARSHALL (Read 1 times) Subj: YOU MEAN.... Re: YOU MEAN.... > So yes, congradulations to the Marlins for taking advantage of what was > available as far as pitching goes, and shame on the Braves pitchers for not > doing the same. they tried,or were you out getting beer and nuts ? When they did the same thing,their attempts were called as balls. --- VFIDO 7.00.00 * Origin: A Horse of a Different Color (1:112/64) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EEL00003 Date: 10/17/97 From: DAVE HASSLER Time: 01:31am \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Eric Gregg's strike zone > TM: Re: _Eric Gregg's strike zone_, Anthony Jones wrote to Terry > TM: May on 15 Oct 97: > TM: > TM: AJ> Look I know your upset, but I saw the game, he was calling > TM: them like that all game. > TM: > TM: So as long as you're consistantly bad, that's okay, huh? Rafael > TM: Belliard must be a Hall of Fame player, because he consistantly > TM: can't hit. Haw! Haw! Haw! Thanks for the laugh! :^) > TM: Okay, as a ball player, how do you adjust for a ball that's more > TM: than a foot outside? As a ball player, what do you do when you Clearly, you can't. At least, *I* can't! ;^) All you can do is blink your eyes incredulously at Blue, smack your bat on the plate before exiting to the dugout for another Low-Cal Adult Carbonated Grain Beverage, all the while thinking: "I hope that idiot calls me for a stock tip on Monday....." [yup, tavern league flunkie, that's me]. Dave --- Opus-CBCS 1.79.x * Origin: The VolleyBoard, (503)537-9874 [11p-8a] (1:105/240.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EEM00000 Date: 10/16/97 From: GEORGE HARPER Time: 08:39pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Sour Grapes I've seen a lot of things said about strike zones and poor officiating...most of it by the fans of the losers from The Ted. Face it folks, you groused about the Rockies beating the Braves in the mile-high altitude of Denver, and REALLY complained about the 3-game sweep AT HOME that the Braves suffered at the hands of the Rockies..never stopping to think that the vaunted pitching staff might NOT be the end-all you'd hoped. Nor are your/their pitchers the ONLY good ones around......heck, the Cy Young might even go to a different ball team altogether - imagine that. As much as it galls me that the expansion rivals of the Rockies took THIS "first" away from *MY* favorite team <(The Rockies REALLY deserved better, oo bad they didn't get the breaks from their bull-pen and the mid-summer sputtering of the best overall offense in baseball)>, it is MUCH easier to take than seeing the smug look one would've seen on the face of Ted and Bobby if the Braves had won the NLCS. Just goes to show, Ted's not the ONLY one who's willing to BUY a pennant... --- mil failte, caraid * Origin: mil failte from Halls Of Tara BBS 1(303)480-0195 (1:104/447) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EEM00001 Date: 10/16/97 From: ANTHONY JONES Time: 01:08pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Expos Can anyone send me the Montreal Expos' E-Mail Address?? Thanks Anthony Jones --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Westwood LAN BBS, Fort McMurray, AB, CANADA (1:3402/10.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EEM00002 Date: 10/17/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 06:57am \/To: ANTHONY JONES (Read 1 times) Subj: Eric Gregg's strike zone Anthony was waived by Sparky Anderson and then ranted: AJ> play baseball in my league and I also am an umpire and defend his AJ> remarks. Then you're not doing your job as an umpire. You're supposed to go by the rules and not your own interpretation. There's no way that you can justify Gregg's remarks. AJ> players should have adjusted to it. No, they shouldn't. It's not their job to adjust to an arrogant umpire's total disregard for the rules. It's not a Braves thing, it's a baseball ing. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Marge Schott, the cure for Baseball Fever (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EEM00003 Date: 10/17/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 07:07am \/To: BRUCE MARSHALL (Read 1 times) Subj: expos Bruce Marshall gave up a long homer to Otis Nixon and said: BM> Then, why is it that teams like the Braves and Yankees show most of BM> their home games on TV yet still draw great? They don't -- at least, they don't do the home games in their home city. The Braves fans are watching something from the Turner film vault while the rest of the country is watching the team and the Yankee fans are watching reruns of Seinfeld involving Steinbrenner stories... --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Striking a blow to purists (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EEM00004 Date: 10/17/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 07:24am \/To: BRUCE MARSHALL (Read 1 times) Subj: NLCS Bruce Marshall gave up a long homer to Otis Nixon and said: BM> weaker defensively for getting rid of Grissom for Lofton in centre and I BM> was shot down saying that I didn't know anything about Lofton. You still are. Christ, Bruce, if you're going to jump all over Lofton for ONE lousy play during the playoffs then you're really getting blind by forgetting the things that happened LAST year to Grissom during the playoffs. Just admit it, Bruce, ex-Expos can do no wrong in your eyes, even when they do. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Johnson and Norm, then pray for a storm (1:170/1701)