--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EDE00002 Date: 09/09/97 From: ANDREW GO Time: 12:00am \/To: ROSS HILL (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: not the expos On 4 Sep 97 01:09am, Ross Hill wrote to Andrew Go: AG>> Couldn't agree with you more. RH> I know man. and all the brits think it's the best game in the world?? RH> hell shoot em all! ;) They probably think baseball sucks too. Well each one is entitled to his/her opinion. RH> baseball rulez!, Actually I can sorta get the scores now, if I buy USA RH> TODAY (which costs like a ton here:( Maybe you should seriously consider getting an internet account so you can get the scores faster. The monthly cost might be far cheaper than what you pay in a month for USA Today. RH> gonna check around and c if it's possibly ;) Good luck in your search! AndrewGo@aol.com http://members.aol.com/andrewgo ... Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight! --- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg] * Origin: Step Into... Hollywood! (6:750/113) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EDE00003 Date: 09/08/97 From: TERRY MAY Time: 09:06pm \/To: BRUCE MARSHALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Awards Re: _Awards_, Bruce Marshall wrote to All on 08 Sep 97: BM> Long time no chat, eh? Anyways, from where I stand, 3 of the 4 major BM> awards have been decided with the Cy Youngs going to Pedro Martinez and BM> Roger Clemens and the AL ROY going to Garciaparra, but, who from the NL BM> will get that? Martinez? There are several pitchers with much better records than him, and we all KNOW that you believe the pitcher with the best record should win the Cy Young. That is, unless that only applies to when it's the Montreal pitcher (read: Ken Hill) who has the better record? ... PITCHERS.BAT found! Delete DH.SYS (Y/y)? --- JetMail 0.99beta22 * Origin: #[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V.E]-[702/736-2822]# (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EDE00004 Date: 09/09/97 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 06:56am \/To: BRUCE MARSHALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Awards Bruce Marshall gave up a long homer to Otis Nixon and said: BM> the Braves broadcasts, they seem to thhink that it's Neagle in a walk I'm not that impressed with Neagle. Neagle's ERA has been a lot better but earlier in the season, he was being bailed out by Atlanta's offense. BM> over, but, with Pedro's very low ERA, I can't see how the writers can BM> overlook him. Martinez' ERA has gone up recently and those writers may look at his 16-7 record and wonder why he's *only* 16-7. That's not to say that he's any good but the perceptions haven't changed in years. I don't think that a lot of those writers even bother looking at run support and blown saves to understand why a pitcher with that low of an era is 16-7 instead of 20-3 (What his record *could* be if he was given the *average* run support that his team has gotten for all pitchers). --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Johnson and Norm, then pray for a storm (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EDE00005 Date: 09/09/97 From: TERRY MAY Time: 11:46am \/To: BRUCE MARSHALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Awards Re: _Awards_, Bruce Marshall wrote to Ed Grinnell on 09 Sep 97: BM> I wonder if that has something to do with where he plays? Listening to BM> the Braves broadcasts, they seem to thhink that it's Neagle in a walk I watch all the Braves games, and I certainly haven't gotten that impression. They mention a number candidates all the time. I've never even heard them call Neagle a favorite, let alone a "walk over." BM> over, but, with Pedro's very low ERA, I can't see how the writers can BM> overlook him. He's allowed a ton of unearned runs, though, whereas Maddux has allowed only one. That doesn't necessarily mean the Braves have that much of a better defense, but it does mean that Maddux can pitch around errors. RA is much more important to a team than ERA. ... Atlanta Braves - Five straight division titles! --- JetMail 0.99beta22 * Origin: #[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V.E]-[702/736-2822]# (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EDE00006 Date: 09/09/97 From: JEFF BALL Time: 12:49pm \/To: BRUCE MARSHALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Awards Hi, Bruce. Quoting your message to All: BM> awards have been decided ... Cy Youngs going to Pedro Martinez Don't write off Neagle or Maddux yet. BM> and Roger Clemens... AL ROY going to Garciaparra, Concur on both, and Nomar probably will be a unanimous pick. BM> but who from the NL will get that [ROY]? My prediction: Phillies' 3rd baseman Scott Rolen. Marlins' pitcher Livan Hernandez will finish second, and Expos RF Vladimir Guerrero third. ... "Johnny, tell Bruce about his fabulous parting gifts!" ___ * ATP/OS2 v1.50 * --- Platinum Xpress/386/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: FidoNet International Coordinator Emeritus, for life (1:202/746) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EDF00000 Date: 09/09/97 From: PAUL LOPEZ Time: 12:03pm \/To: BRUCE MARSHALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Awards Date: 09-08-97 (00:46) Number: 53740 From: Bruce Marshall Refer#: NONE To: All Recvd: NO Subj: Awards Conf: (67) Major League --------------------------------------------------------------------------- BM>Hi everybody, Hi Bruce.... BM>Long time no chat, eh? Anyways, from where I stand, 3 of the 4 major awards BM>have been decided with the Cy Youngs going to Pedro Martinez and Roger Cleme Let's not forget Curt Schilling! Paul * OLX 1.52 * Open mouth, insert foot, echo internationally. --- FastEcho 1.46 * Origin: Lopez Trucking BBS *Hydes, MD. USA* 410-592-5447 (1:261/1371) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EDF00001 Date: 09/10/97 From: BRUCE MARSHALL Time: 04:10pm \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Awards Hi Terry, TM> C'mon, Bruce, there was a lot more to it than ERA. Maddux dominated TM> virtually every major pitching category except W-L record, and he was TM> only 1/2 game behind Hill in that category. Yet you said Hill should TM> have won because he had the better W-L record (one whole loss less than TM> Maddux!). Actually, if memory serves, it was three less losses for Hill than Maddux, same amount of wins. TM> I'm just asking YOU to be consistant. Who do YOU think SHOULD win it this TM> year? TM> Pedro should. Not only because of the ERA, but, also the strike outs (second) and because of the complete games (first). Bruce --- Shotgun v1.38 * Origin: Kings Knights BBS Ottawa, Ontario (1:163/118) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EDF00002 Date: 09/10/97 From: TERRY MAY Time: 02:35am \/To: BRUCE MARSHALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Awards Re: _Awards_, Bruce Marshall wrote to Terry May on 09 Sep 97: BM> And we all know what happened that year, remember, everybody said, BM> "It's Maddux in a walkover with his low ERA" and now that someone else BM> but a Brave has a better ERA then, let's change the rules. C'mon, Bruce, there was a lot more to it than ERA. Maddux dominated virtually every major pitching category except W-L record, and he was only 1/2 game behind Hill in that category. Yet you said Hill should have won because he had the better W-L record (one whole loss less than Maddux!). I'm just asking YOU to be consistant. Who do YOU think SHOULD win it this year? BM> Next thing they'll want to do is change the rules so that only Dodger BM> players win the ROY. They had that rule in, but took it out this year. ... Multitasking: Start download; grab a beer; watch some baseball. --- JetMail 0.99beta22 * Origin: #[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V.E]-[702/736-2822]# (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: EDF00003 Date: 09/09/97 From: DAMIAN STAMM Time: 09:01pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Richie Ashburn Baseball lost a great man today. Philadelphia lost even more. Richie Ashburn, the long time Philadelphia Phillie both as a player and a broadcaster, passed away today at the age of 70. Ashburn, who was elected into the Hall of Fame in 1995, played enterfield for the Phillies for several years, including the 1950 "Whiz Kids." He retired after being named the MVP for the 1962 New York Mets. Most people know him more as a broadcaster than as a player. I grew up listening to Harry and Whitey, one of the great broadcasting tandems in sports. It really didn't hit me until I watched today's game against the ets and he wasn't there. Whitey was a guy who broadcast the game as if you were watching the game with your grandfather. In contrast to many of today's color analysts with their punchy nicknames, flashy calls, and MTV-style presentations, Ashburn called the game in a laid back manner. He never once prepared for a game, instead simply called the game off the top of his head. While many in the business carry novels of note and stats with them, the only thing that Richie relied on was his vast knowledge and deep understanding of the game. This was even extended to his Hall of Fame speech, where he decided against a prepared speech and spoke on the podium the way he always had. Richie Ashburn was an icon in Philadelphia, in a city where baseball is secondary and where bad baseball has become regular. Yet even during the worst of seasons, Ashburn could make the game enjoyable enough to listen, ven if it was just to hear his insight. I will always remember a moment last season. I was flipping through the channels, and baseball had fallen way off my radar screen (I watched fewer than five games last year.) But for three innings, just after Tommy Lasorda retired, Asburn and the Norristown native went on talking about the game in what was an entertaining and enlightening experience. The wit and humor that made Asburn who he was, combined with the charisma of Lasorda made baseball what it should be for the hour or so that they were on. Richie Ashburn will be missed. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: From the Sports Desk of Damian Stamm (1:273/406)