--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E5D00005 Date: 05/07/97 From: GREG CALIRI Time: 11:00am \/To: KEN FROST (Read 1 times) Subj: The Balk -KF> Thank you very much for the information. I am the sysop -KF> here and am fairly new to the message conferences, I am a -KF> little confused about this one, does it tie into some huge -KF> Baseball information system somewhere, or do you do all the -KF> leg work? -KF> later -KF> Ken -KF> --- For my discussions, I am doing all the leg work. I do not have access to a database, except that I do have some books - including an Official Baseball Rules book. I've also been a Red Sox season ticket holder for ten years and a fan for most of my 46-year life :).... --- * Origin: Computer Castle / 20 Lines / Newton, NH / 603-382-0338 (1:324/127) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E5D00006 Date: 05/08/97 From: MARK YODER Time: 12:31pm \/To: PHIL MUTH (Read 1 times) Subj: You be the statistician Keith Olberman look-alike Phil Muth, said to Mark Yoder: MY>> Hmmm... methinks that the "pine tar" game was not *suspended*, rather MY>> *protested*. Once the protest was ruled upon, they went back to the MY>> po of protest and finished the game. PM> As I recall (I know my aging mind is not perfect), the game *was* PM> suspended on account of the antics of the alleged pine tar offender. The PM> remaining inning-and-a-half was played the next day. It's been so long ago, i honestly can't recall for sure. I'll have to look it up. In any case, even if it was "suspended" and resumed the next day, anything that happened after the protest/suspension would be moot if the ruling by the league president favored the protesting team, because the game would be re-started from the point of protest and anything that happened afterwards (or during the resumed play the next day) would not count, I believe. -= .\\ark =- ... A bird in the hand's better than one overhead. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: Rushmore II: Rockne, Leahy, Parsegian & Holtz (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E5E00000 Date: 05/07/97 From: JEFFREY BELL Time: 10:40pm \/To: ALAN HESS (Read 1 times) Subj: Orioles .-=Alan Hess said to All on 05-04-97=-. > The Orioles have pitching this year! They could be dangerous. *adh* > > *!* Msged 4.10 > * Origin: Nerve Center - Source of the SPINAL_INJURY echo! > (1:261/1000) .-=End of Quote=-. Starting Pitching is descent, but their bullpen is the best they've had in years, which should help them out A LOT...if all their pitchers can get to at least the 7th, it's over... --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Rosie's Place! 2400-28800bps; 24hrs; (313) 941-0865 (1:2410/520) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E5E00001 Date: 05/10/97 From: PAIGE MILLER Time: 09:13am \/To: MARK YODER (Read 1 times) Subj: You be the statistician -=> Mark Yoder took a called strike three for saying to Phil Muth <=- PM> As I recall (I know my aging mind is not perfect), the game *was* PM> suspended on account of the antics of the alleged pine tar offender. The PM> remaining inning-and-a-half was played the next day. MY> It's been so long ago, i honestly can't recall for sure. I'll have to MY> look it up. In any case, even if it was "suspended" and resumed the MY> next day, anything that happened after the protest/suspension would be MY> moot if the ruling by the league president favored the protesting team, MY> because the game would be re-started from the point of protest and MY> anything that happened afterwards (or during the resumed play the next MY> day) would not count, I believe. The sequence of events: George Brett hit a two-out homer off of Rich Gossage in the top of the ninth to give the Royals the lead. Billy Martin of the Yankees complained about pine tar, and after the umpires discussed the play, home plate umpire Tim McClelland approached the Royals bench and declared Brett out. This ended the game. The Royals protested, and after about three days, AL president Lee MaacPhail ruled that Brett's home run was legal. Since the game had been stopped due to the fact that it appeared Brett's home run was the final out, the game was treated as a suspended game, and was resumed weeks later, after a few court challenges by George Steinbrenner, with the Royals leading and the batter following Brett as the first batter. Brett, Gaylord Perry and a few other Royals were ejected because of their actions immediately following the umpire's ruling. An interesting side note: last night (5/9/97), there was another reversed call in a Yankees-Royals game that led to the deciding run. With Kansas City's Offerman on 2nd and Bell on 1st with one out, a ground ball was hit to the Yankees 3rd baseman. He stepped on second to force out Offerman. Offerman was slow to get off the field, and lingered in the area near the third base coaches box, while the throw to first was wild. Bell rounded third and was declared out (mistakenly) by the home plate umpire, who apparently had not seen the force out, for passing Offerman. This appeared to be the third out. After a discussion, the umpires reversed the call, and ordered the Yankees back on the field to continue the inning. Naturally, the Yankees have filed a protest, which, in my opinion, has no chance of being upheld. Had the decision not been reversed, I would guess that the Royals would have protested, and I would feel confident that the Royals protest would be upheld. Although it is very rare to see umpires reverse calls, it is mandatory on such a rules-related mistake. It would be even rarer to see a judgment call reversed. ... Use Windex On Your Windows ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- * KMail 3.10o Knight Moves --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E5E00002 Date: 05/09/97 From: MARK YODER Time: 08:41pm \/To: PAIGE MILLER (Read 1 times) Subj: Laugh of the week Paige Miller caught a foul-tip in the mask for saying: MY>> BTW, didn't we have this extended discussion a few months ago? 8-) PM> Yes, I think we did have this discussion a few months ago, but like all PM> poorly written rules, the discussion never ends. ...and we have a fairly regular habit of recycling old discussions. 8-) PM> My favorite poor wording is 4.09(b) which says, in part, "...the PM> umpire shall not declare the game ended until..." Now, that's not PM> exactly the same as saying "the umpire SHALL declare the game PM> ended when". Does one mean the other? If so, why didn't they write PM> it that way? Makes you wonder, don't it... -= .\\ark =- ... "The law hath not been dead, though it hath slept." Shake --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: "NO WAY" to Interleague Play (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E5E00003 Date: 05/09/97 From: MARK YODER Time: 08:41pm \/To: PAIGE MILLER (Read 1 times) Subj: You be the statistician Aced by Steffi Graf, Paige Miller said to Mark Yoder: MY>> Hmmm... methinks that the "pine tar" game was not *suspended*, MY>> rather *protested*. Once the protest was ruled upon, they went MY>> back to the point of protest and finished the game. PM> Of course the game was protested. After the protest was upheld, it was PM> treated as a suspended game. Of course it was. That's how protested games work. 8-) PM> Okay, let's try one more time. Darkness can cause tie games, and so PM> these are replayed in their entirety. Curfew cannot cause a tie PM> game, because the game is suspended and completed at another time. PM> Thus, darkness or weather can cause a team to play more than the PM> 162 scheduled games, curfew cannot. Since when is a game, which is a tie, called because of darkness, replayed in it's entirety? It should be resumed from the point at which it was halted. Any player (ie pitcher) who had already been in the game and removed would not be able to re-enter in the resumed game, etc... -= .\\ark =- ... I'm not insensitive. I'm Paige. See the difference? --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: "NO WAY" to Interleague Play (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E5E00004 Date: 05/10/97 From: KEN FROST Time: 08:50am \/To: GREG CALIRI (Read 1 times) Subj: The Balk GC> For my discussions, I am doing all the leg work. I do not have GC> access to a database, except that I do have some books - including GC> an Official Baseball Rules book. GC> I've also been a Red Sox season ticket holder for ten years and Thanks for the info, and thanks for having the interest in answering questions that people have. Ken --- * SPITFIRE v3.51 --- SFScan v2.61 * Origin: BEAUTY&THE BEAST 919-871-0618- GO YANKS (1:150/250.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E5E00005 Date: 05/09/97 From: JOSH PARKER Time: 11:42am \/To: ALAN HESS (Read 1 times) Subj: Orioles AH> The Orioles have pitching this year! They could be dangerous. *adh* No No No.. Thats not why they MAY be dangerous.. You can thank "Tha Man" for that.. Welcome to Roberto Alomar.. Tha best second-basemen in all of baseball < cuz Sandberg lix nutz! >.. Seeya l8r.. Josh!! --- TriToss (tm) Professional 11.0 - #172 * Origin: The Outer Limits BBS * Tarpon Springs, FL * (1:3619/37.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E5E00006 Date: 05/09/97 From: JOSH PARKER Time: 11:45am \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: go braves go TM> On 03 May 97, CHRIS OGNIBEN was hit by a Mark Wohlers fastball, and then s And one HELL of a Fast Ball that is.. TM> ... Atlanta Braves - 1995 World Series Champions! Do You like The Braves.. Cuz I LUV them.. They rule.. And they had the best start this year in club history.. 20-6.. Go Braves!!! Josh!! --- TriToss (tm) Professional 11.0 - #172 * Origin: The Outer Limits BBS * Tarpon Springs, FL * (1:3619/37.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E5E00007 Date: 05/10/97 From: CHRIS OGNIBEN Time: 11:56am \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 1 times) Subj: Radio EG>No, it didn't. The Internet BROUGHT people into the fold. It allowed LONG EG>DISTANCE FANS to hear about their favorite team. For someone in Florida, who EG>might be a fan of the Mariners, he has no choice but to sit on his thumbs un EG>the Mariners show up on ESPN, FX or Fox. With the Internet, he could keep ta EG>of the Mariners, just as long distance fans of other teams could keep tabs o EG>them. MLB did the ABSOLUTELY WRONG THING. Yeah i agree, i sure like to follow all the games with my favorite team of the St. Louis Cardinals. But there is two things that you can do to follow those teams. One read the newspapers and keep tabs of their win loss records and possible stories. And two to follow the news and when the local teams of the area you live in face the team that you like. And the last things is, if you really want to hear the play by play of these games in the privacy of your own home. That the best thing is to do is write or call your sports radio station in your area and get them to find a way to carry it. Of course i guess i can now see what you saying. Since the radio stations is like they only carry what makes ratings. And i guess i now see your point. But what about the damage it does to the stations in the area that are being broadcasted to the rest of us through the internet. Where their listeners probably end up listening through the internet so they don't have to use radio's. But tht doesn't make sense since radio is free anyways. I dunno i guess they just have to debate it somewhere and find a way to make it work for everyone. EG>--- TrekEd 1.00 EG> * Origin: Marge Schott, the cure for Baseball Fever (1:170/1701) --- OLX 2.2 TD It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a * Origin: The "CyberVault" BBS System! - Bergen County, NJ! (1:2604/407)