--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E1200001 Date: 12/20/96 From: JUAN ESPADA Time: 07:45pm \/To: SEAN BAVIS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Florida MARLINS Sean, On 17 Dec 96 04:41pm, Sean Bavis wrote to Bruce Marshall: ->> Sounds to me like Florida has too many outfielders with a huge ->> payroll, who is going to start where? ->> Bonilla in right, White in centre and alou in left? SB> What about Conine? Bonilla could play 3rd. Conine goes to 1B... Colbrunn gets traded. je GO MARLINS! --- Via Silver Xpress V4.3 SW24331 * Origin: Silver Xpress Mail System (1:135/54) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E1200002 Date: 12/20/96 From: JUAN ESPADA Time: 09:38pm \/To: STEPHEN FRAZIER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Florida MARLINS Stephen, On 12 Dec 96 12:46pm, Stephen Frazier wrote to Juan Espada: SF> Well, actually, we don't use the DH in THIS league. Either you play on SF> both sides of the ball or you throw a shawl over your legs and go sit SF> in your rocker...or you could go to the American League and become a SF> superstar. Stephen Does the phrase "Interleague Games" means anything to you? je GO MARLINS! --- Via Silver Xpress V4.3 SW24331 * Origin: Silver Xpress Mail System (1:135/54) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E1200003 Date: 12/27/96 From: JUAN ESPADA Time: 07:10pm \/To: BRUCE MARSHALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Florida MARLINS Bruce, On 20 Dec 96 11:49am, Bruce Marshall wrote to Juan Espada: BM> Hi Juan, JE>> Alou goes to LF, bats 6th... Conine to 1B, bats 5th... JE>> Bonilla in 3B and 4th bat, switch cleanup. BM> What happened to Colbrun? He was a good first baseman. Free agent... 'odd-man-out' rule. Trade interest disappeared when teams found out they could get him for free if he was released... when Moises Alou was signed, Jeff Conine was moved to 1B. je GO MARLINS! --- Via Silver Xpress V4.3 SW24331 * Origin: Silver Xpress Mail System (1:135/54) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E1200004 Date: 12/27/96 From: JAMES DUNLOP Time: 11:59pm \/To: STEPHEN FRAZIER (Read 1 times) Subj: [1/2] AL/NL In a message of to Ed Grinnell (1:170/1701), you wrote: EG> AB H HR BA EG> Gibson 1328 274 24 .206 EG> Law 883 191 11 .218 EG> Cloninger 621 119 11 .192 EG> Palmer 489 85 3 .174 EG> Spooner 34 9 0 .265 SF> Gee. You left out Newcombe and the Babe? T'sa matta you? And do these SF> figs SF> show Gibbie hit 24 homers? For 1300 at bats? As a matter of fact, ALL SF> these SF> stats compare favorable with MOST hitters who play EVERY DAY. Do they not? They do NOT!. How many regulars do you find hitting .218? (Spooner's 34 AB is a little small to be considered.) Gibson's HR totals indicate about 10 HR per average "season", which isn't bad, but does NOT compare favorably with "MOST hitters". And his overall offensive production does NOT compare favorably at all. --- The-Box Edit 1.10- PC * Origin: Dunlop Radial Point. Durham, NC. (1:3641/1.206) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E1200005 Date: 12/28/96 From: JAMES DUNLOP Time: 12:07am \/To: STEPHEN FRAZIER (Read 1 times) Subj: NL Cy Young In a message of to James Dunlop (1:3641/1.206), you wrote: SF> I keep telling you, he doesn't HAVE to hit. His fielding saves runs for SF> us. SF> Blauser has no such value in the field. Baloney. Belliard MIGHT (I repeat MIGHT) save runs at short, but nowhere near what he costs at the plate. You say he doesn't have to hit, but of course he DOES. And it costs the Braves every time he gets up, compared to Blauser or any replacement shortstop. And that cost (at the plate) is much greater than any real or perceived benefit Belliard has in the field. --- The-Box Edit 1.10- PC * Origin: Dunlop Radial Point. Durham, NC. (1:3641/1.206) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E1200006 Date: 12/29/96 From: DAVID LENTZ Time: 11:21am \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 1 times) Subj: Odd Series Stats Ed, In a letter to STEPHEN FRAZIER , you wrote: EG>Baloney. Brett Butler, one of the worst baserunners in history, played for EG>LaSorda (I think it's hilarious that you put down LaRussa when his teams are EG>fairly smart runners). He gets picked off more than anyone in baseball but you EG>didn't see LaSorda benching him, did you? Over his career, Lonnie Smith's EG>upside (You concentrate on his baserunning but completely ignore the power EG>hitting that he provided that helped the Braves more than his blunder) was EG>better than his downside. THAT is why he was with Atlanta. I would say the worst base runner is Luis Polonia. However I am willing to accept nominations for worst. My candidate has lead his league in being caught stealing on several occasions. Happy Modeming -- David --- * KMail 3.10o Knight Moves --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E1200007 Date: 12/30/96 From: SEAN BAVIS Time: 08:39am \/To: JUAN ESPADA (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Florida MARLINS -> On 17 Dec 96 04:41pm, Sean Bavis wrote to Bruce Marshall: -> -> ->> Sounds to me like Florida has too many outfielders with a huge -> ->> payroll, who is going to start where? ->> Bonilla in right, White -> in centre and alou in left? -> SB> What about Conine? Bonilla could play 3rd. -> Conine goes to 1B... Colbrunn gets traded. That sounds like a good idea. --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E1200008 Date: 12/30/96 From: MARK YODER Time: 07:36pm \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 1 times) Subj: Interleague play Terry May caught a foul-tip in the mask for saying: AJ>> I think it would make more sense to limit interleague games to AJ>> natural rivals and increase the number of games between the teams. AJ>> In fact, it would make sense to restructure the leagues and their AJ>> schedules to accentuate such rivalries. But making sensible moves AJ>> doesn't seem to be what baseball is about. TM> But what if you're the White Sox and your "natural rival" is the Cubs, TM> who are having a horrible year, and Kansas City's "natural rival" is the TM> Cardinals, who are having a fantastic year? Do you think that's fair to TM> the Royals and their playoff chances? Personally, I dont' think the interleague games should count for squat when determining division champions and wild card spots for exactly the same reason you describe. -= .\\ark =- ... Terry: A legend in his own mind. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: Fighting Irish Fan Club (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E1200009 Date: 12/30/96 From: MARK YODER Time: 07:38pm \/To: LORD STEVEN (Read 1 times) Subj: Olerud trade While courting the Morris Dancers, Lord Steven said: LS> Cause Olerud has done nothing the last 2 years, except get worse. Gee.. and just a couple years ago we were hearing the tales of how Olde'rude was on his way to being one of the best hitters in history. 8-) -= .\\ark =- ... BS (bee ess): n. An uninformed statement made by Lord. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: Fighting Irish Fan Club (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: E1200010 Date: 12/27/96 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 10:15pm \/To: STEPHEN FRAZIER (Read 1 times) Subj: Odd Series Stats Stephen was hit by a Randy Johnson fastball for uttering: SF> either do it or he wouldn't play for a guy like Billy Martin, Dick SF> Williams, Sparky Anderson, or Tommy LaSorda. Maybe even Tony LaRussa. Baloney. Brett Butler, one of the worst baserunners in history, played for LaSorda (I think it's hilarious that you put down LaRussa when his teams are fairly smart runners). He gets picked off more than anyone in baseball but you didn't see LaSorda benching him, did you? Over his career, Lonnie Smith's upside (You concentrate on his baserunning but completely ignore the power hitting that he provided that helped the Braves more than his blunder) was better than his downside. THAT is why he was with Atlanta. SF> Minor leagues ain't where they got Lonnie, and it must not be the place SF> that taught David Justice, Mark Lemke (the Alfonse-Gaston combo of the SF> NL), Ryan (Now, where's that @#*&^ strike zone) Klesko, If it wasn't for their minor league system, they'd be a hell of a lot worse off. They are far from the worst organization (Major OR Minor) when it comes to fundamentals. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Johnson and Norm, then pray for a storm (1:170/1701)