--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DF400000 Date: 11/02/96 From: TERRY MAY Time: 10:48am \/To: JAMES DUNLOP (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Fan Interference - Tarrasco Re: _Fan Interference - Tarrasco_, James Dunlop wrote to Paul Seppala on 30 Oct 96: JD> It's ten feet tall, and Tarasco is 6'1". I'm 6'3" and can easily touch my eight-foot ceiling, standing flat-fooded. And that's without an outfield glove, which adds several inches to your reach. ... Atlanta Braves - 1995 World Series Champions! --- JetMail 0.99beta22 * Origin: *[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V32b]-[702/736-2822]* (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DF400001 Date: 10/26/96 From: CALEB KIM Time: 12:11am \/To: PHILLIP HOLDER (Read 2 times) Subj: baseball commercials PH>What is your favorite MLB commercial with the singers? Mine has to be >the one with the Goo Goo Dolls...please reply with yours. It's probably the only one they're playing these days. I guess the other two are less popular. But it's very very sad those are the only commercials MLB has on TV. Very sad, but it's also very stupid. These people just can't market! Dumb asses. No wonder baseball's losing its fans. They can't even take advantage of this great Fall Classic. Jerks. --- * QMPro 1.53 * The best way to accelerate a MAC is at 9.8 Meters/Sec2! --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Fresh Start BBS * Edison NJ * (908) 248-1678 * (1:107/310.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DF400002 Date: 11/02/96 From: RUSS PAIGE Time: 03:23pm \/To: ROB WISEMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Alomar and the ump -=> Quoting Rob Wiseman to Raamah Zivanovic <=- RZ> What's the deal with Alomar?? Something I can't beleive.. In all the RZ> years that I've watched baseball, I've never seen a person spit in RZ> the face of an umpire.. I mean, sure they mouth off to them or RZ> possibly get physical every once in a while, but I've never seen RZ> them spit at one. RW> But too often I've seen umps chase players into the dugout ala RW> Hirschbeck, and instigate the confrontation. Alomar was IN HIS DUGOUT RW> and through with the conversation about the TERRIBLY botched call RW> Hirschbeck made before the ump called him OUT of the dugout to prolong RW> the argument. When Roberto came out, he was ejected IN A PENNANT RACE RW> for an argument instigated by Hirschbeck. That's when the fireworks RW> started. And the spitting was still wrong. You aren't trying to imply that the umpire started the confrontation, are you? Alomar argued a called third strike. As I understand it, that alone is sufficient justification for ejection from the game. The umpire didn't eject Alomar, and instead gave Alomar exactly what Alomar was giving. There is no rule against an umpire arguing a called third strike. There is a rule against a ballplayer arguing a called third strike. According the the Washington Post reporter, when Alomar reached the dugout, the umpire yelled "not another word!" Alomar yelled something back (I can't remember what, but it wasn't a pleasantry), and Hirsch- beck tossed Alomar. Any way you look at it, Alomar had plenty of second chances. Yes, Hirschbeck blew the call, he blew other strike calls that game. Big deal. There is a rule in baseball that says "Umpire is Lord." RZ> I know their are agreements to protect players from being suspended RZ> in post regular season, but doesn't it make sense if you do the RZ> crime that you should pay for the crime?? Give me a break.. At least RZ> the fans are telling Alomar what they think of him.. RW> And what will be Hirschbeck's punishment? He hunted Roberto down the RW> next day to "kill him" and got NOTHING. Hirschbeck did nothing more offensive towards Alomar than Alomar did towards Hirschbeck. Spitting on Hirschbeck was worse than Hirschbeck's tantrum and threats which HIrschbeck made several rooms away from Alomar. Hirschbeck's furious threats were no more offensive than Alomar's comments regarding Hirschbeck's reaction to the death of Hirschbeck's son from an incurable disease. Baseball exists SOLELY because of rules. It's not like greater society, where if you removed the laws, most people would continue to obey the laws just so that society could continue to function. Baseball ONLY functions because RULES define those functions. Alomar broke one of the most hallowed rules in baseball--he flouted the ultimate authority. Alomar's actions are a real threat to the existence of baseball, which depends on the rules and the enforcement of those rules by the ultimate authority--the umpires. Hirschbeck's threats, which were never going to be carried out, posed no such threat to baseball. It would not be cruel and unusual punishment to ban Alomar for a full season. After all, Marge Schott (the big fat idiot) was banned for TWO full seasons for her words--not her actions--which not only had no effect on baseball, they weren't even ABOUT baseball. ... "42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?!" ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.21 [NR] --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: JP's Place - Falls Church VA 703.237.5786 (1:109/621) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DF400003 Date: 11/02/96 From: RUSS PAIGE Time: 03:23pm \/To: ALAN HESS (Read 2 times) Subj: Amazing! (satan is here) -=> Quoting Alan Hess to All <=- AH> AH> Roberto AH> "Expectorgate" Alomar would not let the Orioles lose. With two outs in AH> the ninth, he singled off of Jose' Mesa to tie the game. In the 12th, AH> he led off with a solo homer that was the winning run in the 4-3 game AH> that clinched the series. AH> Surrounded by the controversy he brought on AH> himself, and followed by a torrent of boos, he nonetheless rose to the AH> occasion in a big game in which his teammates left their bats on the AH> bus. AH> He made a stupid, childish mistake when he spit in Hirschbeck's AH> face (inexcusable no matter what Hirschbeck may have said, and despite AH> the fact that Hirschbeck was the person who kept the argument going by AH> following Alomar to the dugout rather than staying behind the plate), AH> and deserves at least a 10 game suspension at the start of next season, AH> but the guy is a prime-time player. Am I the only one who recognizes what's going on here? It's so obvious. Alomar sold his soul to the Devil, just so that the Devil could arrange a playoff appearance for the O's. The modern version of "Damn Yankees." We need "The Church Lady" to sing the national anthem at the World Series. It's the only way to save baseball. ... "Yield to temptation, it may not pass your way again." - L. Long ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.21 [NR] --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: JP's Place - Falls Church VA 703.237.5786 (1:109/621) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DF400004 Date: 11/02/96 From: RUSS PAIGE Time: 03:23pm \/To: RONALD CROWELL (Read 2 times) Subj: Baseball--what else? -=> Quoting Ronald Crowell to All <=- RC> I am through with baseball, period. Other sport may follow suit, I RC> don't know. The league and owners and players don't give a damm about RC> you or me just our money!! People like alomar and the league's handling RC> of it make me think about where I spend my money. I am one of many that RC> will vote "NO" come Nov. 4. Can't say I blame you. But what's left? Certainly not the other professional sports--they long ago abandoned the true fans in favor of increased popularity and money. College basketball? Where illiterate student athletes compete in over-30-game seasons before crowds of 10,000+, and the best ones leave after their sophomore seasons? College football? Where bowl teams often have several players questionable due not to injuries, but to pending sexual assault and drunk driving charges? I have to admit, though, Ronald, your approach is the only one that I can see having any impact. If the owners profit from their attitude, then there is no incentive for them to change. Boycott them (as I have been doing for the past two seasons) and eventually they will get the message. --Dr. Jones ... Do what you will with this tagline, just don't bother me about it! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.21 [NR] --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: JP's Place - Falls Church VA 703.237.5786 (1:109/621) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DF400005 Date: 11/02/96 From: RUSS PAIGE Time: 03:23pm \/To: RONALD CROWELL (Read 2 times) Subj: Baseballand nov. 4 vote -=> Quoting Ronald Crowell to Terry May <=- > Re: _Baseball_, Ronald Crowell wrote to All on 04 Oct 96: > > RC> I am through with baseball, period. Other sport may follow suit, I > RC> don't know. The league and owners and players don't give a damm > RC> about you or me > RC> just our money!! People like alomar and the league's handling of > RC> it make me think about where I spend my money. I am one of many > RC> that will vote "NO" come Nov. 4. > >>> What MLB vote occurs on November 4? > > Whether to vote for a new stadium in Houston. NO WAY!!! It is an interesting thought. With the Oilers leaving for Nashville, if the Houston voters approve a new stadium, the Astrodome will be vacant except for a rodeo or two every year. Billed as "the eighth wonder of the world," it would sit idle? How wonder - ful. It doesn't seem to make any sense regardless of how you look at it. Baseball in Houston MUST be played indoors. Period. For indoor sports, there is nothing wrong with the Astrodome. It's even relatively easy to access from anywhere in the Houston metro area. How will a new stadium improve things? It's not like the Comiskey Park situation-- the old Comiskey Park was a crappy ballpark. Same with the old Cleveland Municipal Stadium. Building new ballparks there made sense. In Baltimore, Memorial Stadium wasn't that bad, but it wasn't as convenient or as charismatic as Camden Yards. But any new indoor stadium in Houston will be no more convenient, and it can only be marginally improved over the Astrodome for indoor baseball, since the Astrodome isn't bad for indoor baseball. Indy ... Don't hit me, Mr. Moderator... I'll go back on topic... I swear! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.21 [NR] --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: JP's Place - Falls Church VA 703.237.5786 (1:109/621) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DF400006 Date: 11/02/96 From: RUSS PAIGE Time: 03:23pm \/To: VIRGINIA BLALOCK (Read 2 times) Subj: Baseball--and more -=> Quoting Virginia Blalock to Ronald Crowell <=- VB> Ronald Crowell was chewing the fat with All about VB> Baseball on 04 Oct 96 21:27: RC> I am through with baseball, period. Other sport may follow suit, I RC> don't know. The league and owners and players don't give a damm about RC> you or me just our money!! People like alomar and the league's RC> handling of it make me think about where I spend my money. I am one of RC> many that will vote "NO" come Nov. 4. VB> This isn't a local Houston echo, so some folks don't know about the VB> new stadium referendum we are voting for here. But, don't be so short VB> sided that one thing influences your vote. This stadium is for more VB> than Drayton and his millionaire players.. Please elaborate. (BTW, the phrase is "short sighted," not "short sided.") The Houston voters are being asked to approve a new retractable dome stadium to be constructed in downtown Houston, financed in part by additional taxes on rented cars, to replace an old-yet-well-maintained domed stadium in downtown Houston. The old domed stadium will still have to be maintained, financed entirely by the Houston taxpayers, since the Astrodome will essentially earn no revenue at all, having no tenants. The Astros will raise ticket prices to cover their share of the new stadium costs. Please elaborate. Who exactly will benefit from the Houston stadium proposal? Doctor Jones ... "Transporter chief Blalock, beam the landing party to the bridge" ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.21 [NR] --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: JP's Place - Falls Church VA 703.237.5786 (1:109/621) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DF400007 Date: 11/02/96 From: RUSS PAIGE Time: 03:23pm \/To: JENNIFER MARLOWE (Read 2 times) Subj: Name's (sic) of stadiums -=> Quoting Jennifer Marlowe to All <=- JM> A couple of day's ago I read in my local newspaper that tropicana had JM> bought the rights to re-name the ThunderDome in Tampa Bay. I'm just JM> wondering who like the name "Tropicana Field" or don't like the name JM> and think what it should be called. JM> Also The new Braves stadium is going to be called Turner Stadium or JM> something like that. Some people want it to be named after Hank Aaron. JM> What are some opinons about that. [ Just for the record, I want to mention that the plural of "name" is ] [ "names." The word "name's" means either ] [ ] [ 1. Belonging to name, or ] [ 2. Name is. ] [ ] [ The same rules apply to the word "day's." ] I recall that a year or so ago, 3COM Corporation bought the right to name Candlestick Park in San Francisco, a stadium which belongs to the City of San Francisco. At the time, I thought that the agreement was only valid during 49ers games, but I saw some datelines during the baseball season referring to 3COM Park. What's up with that? Can anyone elaborate? As far as the concept goes, I have no problem with stadium owners contracting with private individuals or corporations to use their property to generate revenue. If it brings down the cost to me, the consumer, I'm all for it. ... You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me . . . ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.21 [NR] --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: JP's Place - Falls Church VA 703.237.5786 (1:109/621) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DF400008 Date: 11/02/96 From: RUSS PAIGE Time: 03:23pm \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 2 times) Subj: Stoppers -=> Quoting Terry May to All <=- TM> We all know that Keith Olbermann made a big deal out of Andy TM> Pettitte's record following Yankee losses, suggesting 13-3 "must be TM> some kind of record." Does anyone know what Steve Carlton's record was TM> the year he won about a third of his team's games? As I recall, he won TM> about 25 games for a last place Cardinals team. He must have had a TM> great record as a "stopper." Good question. Steve Carlton won 27 games for the Phillies, in a year that they were well under .500. They may have only won 60 games for all I can remember. However, I don't think that Keith's analysis of Pettite's "record" would even stand as a Yankee team record. In 1978, when Ron Guidry went 25-3 for the Yanks, I believe that 15 of his wins followed Yankee losses. ... "I smoked, but I didn't inhale." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.21 [NR] --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: JP's Place - Falls Church VA 703.237.5786 (1:109/621) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DF400009 Date: 11/02/96 From: RUSS PAIGE Time: 03:23pm \/To: DAVID LENTZ (Read 2 times) Subj: Suspend garcia and other -=> Quoting David Lentz to Paige Miller <=- PM> Perhaps major league PM> baseball (when it has a true commissioner) will push this issue PM> [only allowing the best umpires to work the postseason] with the PM> umpires association. Incidentally, a few years ago, the Yankees lost a PM> postseason game because of a blown call, and Steinbrenner wanted to MLB PM> to change this policy. I wonder what George thinks of the latest blown PM> call? DL> Well stated. DL> I think baseball need to address the umpiring issue, and bad. Like DL> you said, go back to having the best umpires work the post-season. It DL> does seem that umpiring, and therefore the game itself, have gotten DL> worse under Richie Phillips. Name an issue facing MLBaseball that the owners DON'T need to address. -Free agent salaries out of control. -Heck, MINIMUM salaries are out of control. -Income disparity between large market and small market teams. -Team relocations -Municipal extortion over team relocations and stadium construction. -Rising ticket prices -Increasing player violence -Increasing confrontations between players and umpires Baseball is screwing itself. It hurts, too. ... "Don't mince words, David ... what do you *REALLY* think?" ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.21 [NR] --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: JP's Place - Falls Church VA 703.237.5786 (1:109/621)