--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEZ00013 Date: 10/29/96 From: PETE MARCELLO Time: 03:36pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: I am back Well folks, after an absence of almost a year, I have returned. Being from Atlanta, I found the Braves loss of the Series depressing at best... We had chances to win all the games we lost, we just somehow lost the ability to hit in the clutch... Kinda like happened to the Dodgers vs San Diego and Braves. I'm not whining... just well... being blue. :) I saw the Series stats posted earlier... I'm wondering if the person that posted them would take out the hitting stats of the first game and compare them again... I realize that the bombardment of the first game skewered those stats pretty well. :) And a comment to Jennifer Marlowe about stadium names... Personally, I don't guess Tropicana Field sounds THAT bad... but I do feel as though the stadium in Atlanta should have either been named Hank Aaron Stadium, or after Ivan Allen, the man that brought baseball to Atlanta. Well, that's all I have to say for now... I look forward to some spirited discussion now that I am back... Pete --- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #123 * Origin: Coaches Corner * Franchise Sports Games (1:133/5009.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEZ00014 Date: 10/29/96 From: PAUL SEPPALA Time: 09:29am \/To: LORD STEVEN (Read 2 times) Subj: This Series -> PS in the bullpen to bail him out. I still expect the Braves to -> win, PS especially since the Yanks are looking down the barrel of -> Smoltz, Maddux PS and Glavine. But the Yanks have at least made it -> interesting. -> Say what? ;) Well, I wasn't the only one in the baseball world who got this wrong. BTW, remeber this series the next time you hear about good pitching beating good hitting. --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/25 * Origin: Westonia Computer Systems 1:250/636 (416)241-1981 (1:3615/51) AH> AJ> Tarasco misjudged the ball and that's why he would have missed it. He AH> AJ> needed to jump to catch it and he clearly wasn't getting ready to jump. Had AH> AH> Tarasco misjudged nothing, except thinking that he'd actually be AH> able to catch a routine fly ball in Yankee Stadium without the AH> interference of a rugrat. No. Tarasco made the same mistake you're making. He assumed the ball was going to fall into his glove. It wasn't. He's a bad defensive player. And that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. There are no routine fly balls in a championship series. That kind of lazy thinking is why teams lose. That same kind of laziness was evident when Alomar let that ball go through his legs in the final game of the series. He wasn't paying attention and he wasn't making the right play. The umpires throughout the post season were terrible. Mistakes were made in pretty well every game. But the umpires are terrible during the season. Hey, in Toronto a player got a walk on three balls. But that umpire still has a job. If they can't count to four with accuracy, what can they do? Still, the umpires were equally bad for both sides. The winning team was still the better team. --- * Origin: FidoNet: CAP/CANADA Support BBS : 416 287-0234 (1:250/710) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEZ00015 Date: 10/29/96 From: ALLAN JENOFF Time: 09:44am \/To: ALAN HESS (Read 2 times) Subj: [WORLD-SERIES] Comple AH> AJ> Tarasco misjudged the ball and that's why he would have missed it. He AH> AJ> needed to jump to catch it and he clearly wasn't getting ready to jump. Had AH> AH> Tarasco misjudged nothing, except thinking that he'd actually be AH> able to catch a routine fly ball in Yankee Stadium without the AH> interference of a rugrat. No. Tarasco made the same mistake you're making. He assumed the ball was going to fall into his glove. It wasn't. He's a bad defensive player. And that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. There are no routine fly balls in a championship series. That kind of lazy thinking is why teams lose. That same kind of laziness was evident when Alomar let that ball go through his legs in the final game of the series. He wasn't paying attention and he wasn't making the right play. The umpires throughout the post season were terrible. Mistakes were made in pretty well every game. But the umpires are terrible during the season. Hey, in Toronto a player got a walk on three balls. But that umpire still has a job. If they can't count to four with accuracy, what can they do? Still, the umpires were equally bad for both sides. The winning team was still the better team. --- * Origin: FidoNet: CAP/CANADA Support BBS : 416 287-0234 (1:250/710) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEZ00016 Date: 10/29/96 From: TERRY MAY Time: 05:52pm \/To: VIRGINIA BLALOCK (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Baseball Re: _Baseball_, Virginia Blalock wrote to Terry May on 24 Oct 96: VB> Terry May was chewing the fat with Ronald Crowell about VB> Baseball on 09 Oct 96 10:24: VB> >>> What MLB vote occurs on November 4? VB> RC>> Whether to vote for a new stadium in Houston. NO WAY!!! VB> TM>> I don't blame you. VB> VB> Why? If he is basing his vote on how well the Astros play, that is VB> wrong. I didn't say that and I don't think he did, either. I think he was complaining about having to pay for a new stadium with a tax increase, not because the Astros played poorly (which they really didn't). ... Hall of Fame Ballot: [x] Phil Niekro [x] Terry May [ ] Virginia Blalock --- JetMail 0.99beta22 * Origin: *[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V32b]-[702/736-2822]* (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEZ00017 Date: 10/29/96 From: TERRY MAY Time: 05:54pm \/To: PAUL SEPPALA (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Fan Interference - Tarrasco Re: _Fan Interference - Tarrasco_, Paul Seppala wrote to Terry May on 28 Oct 96: PS> Do you know what the height of the RF fence in Yankee Stadium is? Yes, 10 feet. PS> It looked to me that there's enough room between what a player could ump PS> to and the top of the fence. *I* could reach the top of the wall _without_ a glove. With a huge outfielder's glove, it would be a piece of cake. If you look at the replay from the centerfield shot, when Tarasco is fully extended, there's only about a foot between the top of his glove and the top of the wall. ... Atlanta Braves - Five straight division titles! --- JetMail 0.99beta22 * Origin: *[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V32b]-[702/736-2822]* (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEZ00018 Date: 10/29/96 From: TERRY MAY Time: 07:47pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Braves have plan for offseason ESPNET SportsZone: Major League notebook: Braves have plan for offseason By Tracy Ringolsby Scripps Howard News Service The Atlanta Braves are anything but cheap. Their nearly $50 million payroll is the biggest in the National League. But general manager John Schuerholz and president Stan Kasten say loyalty is as big a factor as money when they get into contract negotiations. And with the end of the World Series they will embark on a significant negotiation -- John Smoltz, a potential free agent they anticipate signing prior to a mid-November announcement that he has won the NL Cy Young award. "Until you are in the process you never know, but I am somewhat buoyed by what (Fred) McGriff and (Marquis) Grissom did last year," Schuerholz said. "They showed a desire to remain in the atmosphere they helped create." Translation, McGriff, who made $4.75 million in 1996, and Grissom, who made $4.8 million, both could have gotten more money on the open market but chose to stay with the Braves because of the team's success. And McGriff and Grissom were newcomers to the atmosphere. McGriff was acquired from San Diego in mid-1993, and Grissom came over from Montreal during the spring of 1995. Ties to the revitalization of the Braves are stronger for Smoltz and Tom Glavine, who has a year left on his contract but will be offered an extension this winter by the Braves. They were part of Atlanta's last-place team in 1990, and have been a part of each of the NL record five consecutive post-season teams. Kasten said the Braves don't plan on backsliding. "If we don't have John we will have a suitable replacement for im, but we shouldn't have a problem," Kasten said. "We don't set records, but we are competitive. Like 'Gripp' (Grissom) and McGriff last year. If you like it here and want lots and lots of money we can do that. If you want to set a record or your agent wants to set a record, we can't do that." The biggest test of that philosophy figures to be Steve Avery. He won a $4.2 million salary in arbitration last winter but heads into free agency having gone 14-23 with a 4.58 ERA the past two seasons. The Braves lessened the need to keep Avery with the late August acquisition of Denny Neagle to join Smoltz, Glavine and Greg Maddux in the rotation. Avery, however, isn't ready to sell his home in Atlanta. "I've been spoiled playing with the Braves," Avery said. "My first choice is to stay with the Braves. If not then I'd rather stay in the National League ... I'd like to go somewhere where I can win right away." Cross Colorado off the list of potential suitors. Avery has been one of the most vocal critics of pitching in Denver since the Rockies began play in 1993, and the Rockies have learned their lesson with the likes of Greg Harris and Andy Ashby that mental toughness to deal with Coors Field's elements is as critical as physical ability. ... PITCHERS.BAT found! Delete DH.SYS (Y/y)? --- JetMail 0.99beta22 * Origin: *[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V32b]-[702/736-2822]* (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEZ00019 Date: 10/29/96 From: MARK YODER Time: 08:53pm \/To: PAUL SEPPALA (Read 2 times) Subj: Congrats Joe & Wade Paul Seppala was ejected for saying to Mark Yoder PS> Fox was OK but I could have done without their gimmicky sound effects PS> when the switched from replays to live action. PS> And although I don't care much for either the Braves or yankees, i was PS> happy that Cecil finally won one. Cecil? What was the big deal about Cecil winning one? I can see being happy for Boggs, Torre, even Gooden or Strawberry... they've got a lot more time in the league than Cecil does. -= .\\ark =- ... "Men, in general, are but great, great children." Napoleon --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: 1908 - When tickets were cheap, and the Cubs were Champs (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DE^00000 Date: 10/29/96 From: LORD STEVEN Time: 8:20 am \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 2 times) Subj: As I See It EG Can they repeat? Hell, just enjoy it Yankee fans and worry about that ext EG year. It took the Braves 30 years to win their first and the Yanks were EG without a title since 1978. Enjoy the moment and forget about repeat ntil EG next season is well under way because it may be a long time before nother EG title comes along. Actually, it was 1981. I remember it. I HATED the Yankees. Come to think of it, I HATED them until this World Series. I was glad to see Cecil Fielder have a blast in the playoffs though. He deserved the World Series win. Steven W. Rungtranont --- M A X's BBS 1.54 * Origin: zocalo: OnLine! 100% LORD free! (918)371-2013 (1:170/707) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DE^00001 Date: 10/30/96 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 06:43pm \/To: LORD STEVEN (Read 2 times) Subj: As I See It Lord Steven gave up a long homer to Otis Nixon and said: LS> Actually, it was 1981. I remember it. You don't remember it as well as you think. The last time they won was in 1978. They LOST in 1981 to the Dodgers. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Striking a blow to purists (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DE^00002 Date: 10/30/96 From: PAUL SEPPALA Time: 10:15am \/To: RUSS PAIGE (Read 2 times) Subj: Stoppers -> TM> We all know that Keith Olbermann made a big deal out of Andy TM> -> Pettitte's record following Yankee losses, suggesting 13-3 "must be -> TM> some kind of record." Does anyone know what Steve Carlton's -> record was TM> the year he won about a third of his team's games? As -> I recall, he won TM> about 25 games for a last place Cardinals team. -> He must have had a TM> great record as a "stopper." -> Good question. Steve Carlton won 27 games for the Phillies, in a -> year that they were well under .500. They may have only won 60 games -> for all I can remember. -> However, I don't think that Keith's analysis of Pettite's "record" -> would even stand as a Yankee team record. In 1978, when Ron Guidry -> went 25-3 for the Yanks, I believe that 15 of his wins followed -> Yankee losses. I wondered about this in a post a few weeks back. First I wondered what the team's overall record was following a loss. The extreme example for a .500 club would be 81-0 if it went L-W-L-W etc all season long. Obviously they don't, nor do they go 0-80 which would happen if they started the year 81-0 and then lost their next 81. I haven't seen breakdowns of W-L streaks throughout the year but I made up a (hopefully) plausible example of how a .500 team's losing streaks would play out. 1 8 game losing streak = 8 losses 1 6 game losing streak = 6 losses 1 5 game losing streak = 5 losses 2 4 game losing streaks = 8 losses 4 3 game losing streaks = 12 losses 10 2 game losing streaks = 20 losses 22 1 game losing streaks = 22 losses So you have 81 losses, of which 41 precede a win. So in this hypothetical example, the .500 team is 41-40 following a loss. Unfortunately I just threw out all my BBW's over the past year, otherwise I'd take the time to check out how the Yanks (a top team), the Jays (a bottom team) and a .500 team actually did. It does look to me like Pettitte's record is quite good, but I'd be curious to see what hentgen's record was and how often Pettitte was pitching behind Rogers or the number 5 starter of the day. --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/25 * Origin: Westonia Computer Systems 1:250/636 (416)241-1981 (1:3615/51)