--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEH00002 Date: 10/07/96 From: PEG DIETRICH Time: 02:57pm \/To: LORD STEVEN (Read 2 times) Subj: Tigers -=> Quoting Lord Steven to Scott Sarah <=- LS> It's better than playing bad all the time, like my team, the Tigers. "Bad" isn't the word to describe the Tigers' season. It was worse than "bad". It was even worse than the Oriole's 1988 season when we went 0-22! (Being 1-1/2 hours west of Detroit, I know more about the Tigers than the average Oriole fan *wants* to know!) Peg ... Aint it grand to be young and an Oriole fan! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Off The Back (1:2330/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEH00003 Date: 10/07/96 From: PEG DIETRICH Time: 03:00pm \/To: ALAN HESS (Read 2 times) Subj: Lets hear it for the O's -=> Quoting Alan Hess to Brad Wisniewski <=- BW> How about the O's? 2 straight. Maby this will be the year. I BW> think that we can do it this year. New York stinks!!!! Orioles are # 1. AH> The Orioles still have to win a game in Cleveland, where AH> the Indians are awfully tough. Don't celebrate until the AH> final out of the Orioles' third win of the series (if we AH> get it.) *adh* NOW can we celebrate????? Peg ... Aint it grand to be young and an Oriole fan! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Off The Back (1:2330/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEH00004 Date: 10/09/96 From: PEG DIETRICH Time: 09:34pm \/To: ALAN HESS (Read 2 times) Subj: Oriole Newsgroup A month or so ago, I found out that my BBS sysop could get me Internet newsgroups. Since then, I have been religiously reading the Orioles' newsgroup. Hubby and I have really enjoyed some of the discussions, the wit, the enjoyment of the O's, and some of the stupidity found over there. I have since come up with a couple of major conclusions: #1. I like FIDOnet better. The people here seem to be more knowledgeable (on a whole) than Internet. #2. My children will never be on Internet until they are 35 years old. The language over there is unbelieveable. The spelling is atrocious. (My favorite is the person that mis-spelled the "f-word".) #3. Oriole fans have class! Peg ... Aint it grand to be young and an Oriole fan! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Off The Back (1:2330/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEH00005 Date: 10/11/96 From: TERRY MAY Time: 10:18am \/To: ALAN HESS (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: ORIOLES Re: _ORIOLES_, Alan Hess wrote to Terry May on 10 Oct 96: TM>> Of course he did. He was trying to shift blame away from TM>> himself, and put it all on Hirschbeck, using his dead son as a tool. AH> AH> Incorrect. No, correct. AH> The reporters asked him about the incident, and his relationship with AH> Hirschbeck. Alomar answered that he used to respect Hirschbeck, but AH> that Hirschbeck had understandably changed since the tragedy. *adh* Are you Alomar's spin doctor? Funny, I don't recall the word "understandably" being in his response. ... Atlanta Braves - 1995 World Series Champions! --- JetMail 0.99beta22 * Origin: *[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V32b]-[702/736-2822]* (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEH00006 Date: 10/11/96 From: TERRY MAY Time: 10:26am \/To: ALAN HESS (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: [WORLD-SERIES] Completely indefensib10:26:3810/11/96 Re: _[WORLD-SERIES] Completely indefensible!!!_, Alan Hess wrote to Terry May on 10 Oct 96: AH> You can't blame the kid for reaching for a ball headed his way. Yes, I can. He was old enough to know better not to reach into the field of play. And I'm sure there were annoucements made before the game to that effect. AH> Every fan reacts like that, especially kids. No, they don't. I've never reached into the field of play to grab a ball from a fielder and I never would. It's one thing to go after a ball hit into the stands, but quite another to reach into the field of play. Even giving the kid the benefit of the doubt that he was too young or too ignorant to know better, he still shouldn't be made into a hero. ... Multitasking: Start download; grab a beer; watch some baseball. --- JetMail 0.99beta22 * Origin: *[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V32b]-[702/736-2822]* (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEH00007 Date: 10/11/96 From: TERRY MAY Time: 10:30am \/To: PAIGE MILLER (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Tie goes to Runner or Fie Re: _Tie goes to Runner or Fie_, Paige Miller wrote to Terry May on 09 Oct : PM> The rules don't specifically say what happens when it is a tie. Maybe not specifically, but they DO say what happens when there is a tie (compliments of Mark Yoder): 7.08(e) (Any runner is out when) "He fails to reach the next base before a fielder tags him or the base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner. However, if a following runner is put out on a force play, the force is removed and the runner must be tagged to be put out. ." That makes it very clear that the runner is out if he fails to reach the base BEFORE the fielder, so a tie clearly goes to the fielder. PM> Nevertheless, humans can't judge thousandths of a second. If the play PM> is really "too close", most umpires will call the runner out. Here's PM> the reason (at least for an ordinary play at first): the umpire will PM> listen for the sound of the ball hitting the glove and watch for the PM> position of the runner's foot. If both stimuli arrive at the same time, PM> then this is an out. Why? Because sound travels slower than light. And PM> so, as Albert Einstein and Enrico Fermi would tell you, that means that PM> the sound occurred first. That's fine if the umpire was a mile away. At just a few feet away, there's no way he can distinguish between the speed of sound and light. If the sound came at the same time as the runner, then it was virtually a tie, and the runner should be called out. Not because of physics, but because of rule 7.08(e). ... Cy Young Ballot: [x] John Smoltz [ ] Kevin Brown [ ] Greg Maddux --- JetMail 0.99beta22 * Origin: *[Rebel BBS]-[Las Vegas]-[HST/V32b]-[702/736-2822]* (1:209/745) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEH00008 Date: 10/12/96 From: PAIGE MILLER Time: 09:12am \/To: PAUL LOPEZ (Read 2 times) Subj: The Umpires -=> Paul Lopez took a called strike three for saying to Paige Miller <=- PM>This wasn't my opinion. This was the opinion of the people down on the >field. I would imagine they know the best. I'm not saying there haven't >been bad calls this year, but from what I heard, the frequency of bad >calls was much higher with the replacement umpires. PL> PL> At least replacement umpires wouldn't go out of their way to taunt PL> Alomar the way Larry Barnett did in game 1. Did you see that strike 3 PL> he called on him? Almost as bad a pitch as the one that was called by PL> Hirschbeck. And to top it off, the idiot decides to do a little dance PL> after making the call :(. And he probably does the same after every called strike three. PL> The umpires, and Richie Phillips especially, have carried the incident PL> a little to far. They want to take center stage during the playoffs, PL> like the terrible call by Richie Garcia on the non-home run by Derek PL> Jeter. I'm hoping this whole incident truly backfires on them. Baloney. They don't want to be center stage by making bad calls. They never did and never will. ... Vuja De - The Feeling You've Never Been Here ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- * KMail 3.10m Knight Moves --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEH00009 Date: 10/12/96 From: PAIGE MILLER Time: 09:17am \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 2 times) Subj: Tie goes to Runner or -=> Terry May took a called strike three for saying to Paige Miller <=- TM> Re: _Tie goes to Runner or Fie_, Paige Miller wrote to Terry May on TM> 09 Oct 96: PM> Because sound travels slower than light. And PM> so, as Albert Einstein and Enrico Fermi would tell you, that means that PM> the sound occurred first. TM> That's fine if the umpire was a mile away. At just a few feet away, TM> there's no way he can distinguish between the speed of sound and light. TM> If the sound came at the same time as the runner, then it was TM> virtually a tie, and the runner should be called out. Not because of TM> physics, but because of rule 7.08(e). I don't disagree with you, but the way I was taught, there are no ties. Even if the coach/manager/player/irate fan was convinced it was a tie, you are going to say that in your judgment, the ball (or tag) beat the runner. Umpires don't see ties. ... Drop your carrier ... we have you surrounded! ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- * KMail 3.10m Knight Moves --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEH00010 Date: 10/12/96 From: PAIGE MILLER Time: 09:32am \/To: ALAN HESS (Read 2 times) Subj: suspend Garcia! -=> Alan Hess took a called strike three for saying to All <=- AH> Richie "Loudmouth" Phillips had another press conference before the AH> game, in which he spouted his usual rhetoric about the integrity of the AH> umpires and the respect they deserve. Then, Barnett and Garcia go out AH> and demonstrate exactly why the umpires have no integrity, and don't AH> deserve respect. Fire them all! *adh* You confuse split-second judgment with integrity. I think the two are far removed from one another and screwing up at one does not imply anything about the other. Split-second judgment leads to occasional errors with absolutely no implication about integrity. Unless you are going to claim that any mistake is evidence of lack of integrity, and that would be an interesting statement for you to make. Now, as far as the respect issue, that's entirely up to you, but it almost sounds as if you are bringing up the spitting incident...which is entirely unrelated. I don't care what bad call was made, you are free to disagree and have no respect for the umpire, but your behavior still had better be within certain standards. You mention Richie Phillips. I do not like the man nor do I like the methods he uses. One thing that he has pushed forward on behalf of the umpires is that post-season (and All-Star game) assignments are not based upon merit but rather are based upon a rotation system. In other words, you get a postseason assignment because it is your turn, not because you are one of the top umpires -- and this is in the contract with the umpires association now. This is different than the NBA, NFL and NHL, where post-season assignment go to the top officials only. And thus there is no incentive for umpires to improve -- that plus the tenure issue that you have mentioned in other posts. It would seem to me that if an umpire knew he needed to be rated highly to advance, that would put additional pressure on the umpire to DEFUSE situations, not inflame them. You would get a much higher rating by staying out of trouble. Perhaps major league baseball (when it has a true commissioner) will push this issue with the umpires association. Incidentally, a few years ago, the Yankees lost a postseason game because of a blown call, and Steinbrenner wanted to MLB to change this policy. I wonder what George thinks of the latest blown call? ... File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N) ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- * KMail 3.10m Knight Moves --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DEH00011 Date: 10/12/96 From: PAUL LOPEZ Time: 04:07pm \/To: PAIGE MILLER (Read 2 times) Subj: The Umpires Paige... > PL> Hirschbeck. And to top it off, the idiot decides to do a little dance > PL> after making the call :(. PM>And he probably does the same after every called strike three. Maybe you and I were watching a different game! PM> PL> The umpires, and Richie Phillips especially, have carried the ncident > PL> a little to far. They want to take center stage during the playoffs, > PL> like the terrible call by Richie Garcia on the non-home run by Derek > PL> Jeter. I'm hoping this whole incident truly backfires on them. PM>Baloney. They don't want to be center stage by making bad calls. They >never did and never will. Well, right now its their only ticket. Since the playoffs are the only show in town they will be more magnified than before. There's no hiding now, like the regular season. My point is that its about time someone enforced fines and/or suspensions for either provoking or making such outlandish calls they can have a bearing on the outcome of the game. If umpires, especially during the playoffs, cannot consult instant replays for making the proper decisions and they are so sure of themselves then they ought to face the same situations as players do. Tell you what. A fine here and there and all of a sudden you'll see the proper strike zone. And I thought umpires were supposed to work together!!! I sure didn't see anyone come to Garcia's aid after the play occurred. One more thing...it sure was nice of Mr. Garcia to spend some time signing autographs before the second game. Tell me he shouldn't have been fined! Paul PM>... Vuja De - The Feeling You've Never Been Here >___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 >--- > * KMail 3.10m Knight Moves PM>--- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 > * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) *** OLX 1.52 Tried to play my shoehorn... all I got was footnotes! --- TriToss (tm) 10.0 - Custom Version * Origin: LOPEZVILLE BBS * (410) 592-2568 (1:261/1367)