--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: DC100016 Date: 07/29/96 From: BYRON MASSEY Time: 02:39pm \/To: MARK PATRICK (Read 1 times) Subj: Moon-Man Tourney 7/29/96 Mark, Patrick vs. Massey 1. c4 e5 2. Mc3 Nf6 3. g3 c6 4. Bg2 Bc5 5. h3 d5 6. cd cd 7. e3 Nc6 8. a3 Bf5 9. Qb3 Rb8 10. Nxd5 Ne4 11. d3 Nf6 12. * Here we go! -Byron --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: PAWNSTORM! (North Bend, OR, USA) 541-756-8938 (1:356/27) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: DC100017 Date: 07/30/96 From: BRUCE MOON Time: 06:05pm \/To: KEN STEVENS (Read 1 times) Subj: INTER-ECHO MATCH This is a repeat! Originally sent 19 Jul 96. Stevens-Moon: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 a6 6 Be2 e6 7 f4 Nc6 8 Nxc6 bxc6 9 ... Later, Bruce Moon --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: DC100018 Date: 07/30/96 From: BRUCE MOON Time: 06:14pm \/To: JOE BITTO (Read 1 times) Subj: JB vs. BM This is a 2nd repeat! Originally sent 30 Jun 96 and 20 Jul 96. Game 62. Moon-Bitto: 1 e4 e5 2 f4 Nc6 3 Nf3 d6 4 Bc4 ... Game 70. Bitto-Moon: 1 e4 c5 2 e5 d6 3 Bb5+ Nc6 4 ... Later, Bruce Moon --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: DC100019 Date: 07/30/96 From: BRUCE MOON Time: 06:18pm \/To: GI STEWART (Read 1 times) Subj: Notation, etc. On 25 Jul 96 Gi Stewart wrote: GS> * In a message originally to Chad Butterbaugh, Bruce Moon said: GS>BM> How about 2 games, 1 of each color? GS>BM> GAME 1 -- Moon-Butterbaugh: 1 e4 ... GS> Excuse me - I play chess (not professionally), & when I make a move, I GS> usually say two sqares - e.g. - (from : To) - not just one reference GS> - e.g. with the above - 'e4'. GS> can someone explain ? In Standard Algebraic Notation, the writing is streamlined compared to either Coordinate Notation or Long Algebraic Notation. Moves where a Pawn is pushed straight forward are represented by the destination square only, because, for the moving side, only one Pawn can possibly reach the square on a forward push. "1 e4", to use the above example, means that White, as is first move, is moving a Pawn to e4 -- which can only be the Pawn currently on e2. Here's an opening sequence as it would appear in all 3 notation systems I mentioned above: Standard Algebraic -- 1 e4 d5 2 exd5 e5 3 dxe6ep Bxe6 4 d4 c6 5 Nf3 Bd6, etc. Coordinate -- 1 e2e4 d7d5 2 e4d5 e7e5 3 d5e6 c8e6 4 d2d4 c7c6 5 g1f3 f8d6, etc. Long Algebraic -- 1 e2-e4 d7-d5 2 e4xd5 e7-e5 3 d5xe6ep Bc8xe6 4 d2-d4 c7-c6 5 g1-f3 Bf8-d6, etc. GS> p.s. - Does someone want to play a game ? - (not your normal game - 've GS> increased the number of sqares & added a few more pieces :-) ) Let me get this straight: you are unwilling to play "normal" chess whose rules are familiar to all in the echo, and instead offer to play some as yet undefined variant wherein you have the advantage of familiarity, plus the ability to make up all the rules. Anybody who plays your variant will lso have to make and maintain a board of your variant's dimensions, plus markers to represent any "new" types of pieces. Another drawback worth mentioning is that extra squares tend to increase the average number of moves required to complete a game. By way of example, a few years back, a fellow college student devised a rather impractical hess variant which was played on a 16x16 board, with 4 times the normal complement of pieces, of which all moved normally. The "inventor" said that an opening phase of 150 moves was not unusual. Here in Fido-land, a game is considered fast if it progresses at the rate of 1 move-pair per week. At that speed, the 16x16 variant above would still be in the opening after 3 years. I humbly advise that you try a few games of normal chess here first to see what kind of transmission difficulties you can expect, and whether or not YOU have the patience and perseverence to see a game through. Later, Bruce Moon --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: DC100020 Date: 07/30/96 From: MARK CLAIBORNE Time: 07:47pm \/To: STEFAN WALTER (Read 1 times) Subj: SWvsAR Well, the 18th would be the 1700's. Say, I've never had communication with someone trans-world. I wondered if you might indulge me with some thought, insights, and well, I'm not quite sure what to expect, from someone such as yourself. Where do you live, I guess, and please tell me something of yourself. Mark. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: PAWNSTORM! (North Bend, OR, USA) 541-756-8938 (1:356/27) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: DC100021 Date: 07/30/96 From: BRUCE MOON Time: 08:07pm \/To: ARNE LEISNER (Read 1 times) Subj: AL vs. BM GAME 1 -- Moon-Leisner: 1 e4 d5 2 exd5 Qxd5 3 Nc3 Qa5 4 d4 e5 5 dxe5 Nc6 6 Nf3 Bb4 7 Bd2 Bg4 8 a3 Nd4 9 Bd3 Bxf3 10 gxf3 ?? GAME 2 -- Leisner-Moon: 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nf3 d5 3 g3 e6 4 c4 c6 5 Bg2 Be7 6 0-0 0-0 7 Nc3 b6 8 Ne5 Bb7 9 e4 Nbd7 10 Nc3 ?? ^^^ ||| Not legal. Please clarify. Later, Bruce Moon --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: DC100022 Date: 07/30/96 From: BRUCE MOON Time: 08:09pm \/To: DALE COOPER (Read 1 times) Subj: DC vs. BM GAME 1 -- Cooper-Moon 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 e6 3 Bc4 a6 4 Nf3 b5 5 Be2 d6 6 a3 Nc6 7 d4 cxd4 8 Nd4 Bb7 9 f4 ?? GAME 2 -- Moon-Cooper 1 e4 e5 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 f4 d6 4 Nf3 Nc6 5 Bc4 Be6 6 d3 Be7 7 O-O Bxc4 8 dxc4 Qd7 9 Nd5 O-O-O 10 Nc3 a6 Later, Bruce Moon --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: DC100023 Date: 07/30/96 From: BRUCE MOON Time: 08:10pm \/To: ADRIEN REGIMBALD (Read 1 times) Subj: AR vs. BM AR> I see you've either resent some moves to me, or Fido got sick and is AR> burping up things... I actually responded, maybe it didn't get hrough. AR> In that case, I probably have more resends to do :( If one of my opponents is overdue by more than a week or two, I try to nudge them with a resend. GAME 1 -- Moon-Regimbald: 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nc3 d5 4 Nf3 Bb4 5 Bd2 Bxc3 6 Bxc3 Ne4 7 Rc1 ?? GAME 2 -- Regimbald-Moon: 1 c4 d5 2 cxd5 Nf6 3 e4 c6 4 dxc6 Nxc6 5 Nc3 e5 6 Bb5 Bd7 7 ?? AR>BM> It's called "ChessReader". AR> How could one purchase a copy? How much $ is it? If it's cheap nough, AR> I may buy a copy to use until I buy one of the more featured programs. Unfortunately, my copy came as a gift from a friend who was cleaning stuff off his hard drive he hadn't used in 5 or 6 years. However, you might try ChessEdit, which is downloadable from a number of BBSs. It keeps track of all your games, diagrams the current positions, and generates a postable file with an ASCII diagram. AR>BM> The "waste" amounts to about 6 pages per month -- TOTAL! AR> That's not all that bad! Do you use the "landscape" orientation then? No. AR> What text editor are you using to do all of this? An old clunker called Q-Edit. AR> How do you arrange the space in between the games? Manually? At the time I first place a game in the document, there is always 1 or 2 lines of space between it and the next game. When I make a printout, that space is where I write -- by hand -- the subsequent move-pairs, until it s time to prepare the next printout. The handwritten moves are then entered into the document, along with new games and such moves as may have been made. Completed games are tagged with the date of completion and shifted to the appropriate section. (This section is not included in the regular printout, but may be printed separately at my discretion.) Games in the "Active" section to which no new moves have been added since the last printout are so marked and moved to a section I call "On the Edge" (except for certain slow-moving games which are marked, but left in place). Games already there which receive no new move-pairs are marked and moved to the section called "Among the Missing". Games from this category which receive no new move-pairs are considered "completed", but have divergent destinies. Games where Black has made at least 10 moves are "resigned" in my favor. Games where Black has made no more than 9 moves are "resigned" only if I feel there is sufficient material and/or positional justification. The rest are consigned to a kind of graveyard of good intentions I call "Close-outs" (another non-printed category). However, should any vanished opponent reappear and wish to resume their games with me, I am prepared to comply. Later, Bruce Moon --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: DC100024 Date: 07/30/96 From: BRUCE MOON Time: 08:21pm \/To: ADRIEN REGIMBALD (Read 1 times) Subj: Dragon tales... On 23 Jul 96 Adrien Regimbald wrote: AR>BM> I presume you are referring to the Dragon Variation of AR>BM> the Sicilian Defense. AR>BM> This comes about following the moves: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 cxd4 AR>BM> 4 Nxd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 g6. The Classical Dragon continues: 6 Be2 Bg7 7 AR>BM> 0-0 0-0, etc., while the Yugoslav Attack runs: 6 Be3 Bg7 7 f3. AR>BM> There are dozens of offshoot lines, so I recommend -- if you are AR>BM> really interested in studying the Dragon -- that you acquire an AR>BM> opening book devoted to those variations. AR> Can't say I agree with this approach - you acquire much more by working AR> things out otb, plus, you're more likely to remember variations that ou AR> toiled over otb. You are, of course, quoting from my answer to Gary Arthur, who asked how o "set up" a "Dragon Defence". His manner of asking (and his reply) uggests that he is a beginner, and in my experience, most beginners are poor udges of the positional and tactical merits of any given formation or sequence f moves. Also, if he regularly hangs out with other chess players, they must be no more knowledgeable than he -- otherwise, THEY could have answered his question. In fact, I cannot even be sure his reason for asking had anything to do with chess. He might have had some sort of wager with a friend as to whether such a line existed -- or maybe he's a D&D maven who overheard some real chessplayers discussing the line. With such vagueness surrounding the questioner, I did not feel obligated o do more than a cursory response. AR> A better approach is to buy a general book on openings (BCO or MCO for AR> example), try to calculate everything otb, then go home, look at the AR> book, see where you went wrong, and try to understand WHY your move isn't AR> the best. But you are assuming that his purpose in asking was to launch into a full-scale auto-structured practice-and-study course, centering on the Dragon. One thing I've learned after nearly two years of Fidonet, is that most of those who ask the same type of question as Mr. Arthur are looking for the short answer and/or the quick fix. They have to demonstrate more than passing curiosity before I start outlining any kind of study procedure. Since Mr. Arthur's reply to my answer -- and also to that of Ken Blake, whose answer was similar to mine, but without the book mention -- was a simple "Thank you!", and nothing further, it would seem his curiosity was satisfied. AR> Please don't take offense to my message here, it's just my (humble) AR> opinion. Noted. But it is MY humble opinion that you made two assumptions which missed the mark -- 1) that he was asking for a study procedure; and 2) hat I was offering one. Later, Bruce Moon --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 123 CHESS Ref: DC100025 Date: 07/30/96 From: BRUCE MOON Time: 08:27pm \/To: ADRIEN REGIMBALD (Read 1 times) Subj: Simul... AR> As some of you know, I recently went to the Canadian Open. My result n AR> the tournament itself wasn't great, but I drew my game in a simul with GM AR> Leonid Yudasin! Here's the game: AR> Yudasin-Regimbald AR> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nc4 Nxe4 5. d4 d5 6. Ne3 c6 7. Bd3 f6 AR> 8. 0-0 Bd6 9. Nf5 Bxf5 10. Bxf5 0-0 11. Nc3 Nbd7 12. Bg5 Qc7 13. g3 h6 AR> 14. Be3 Rfe8 15. Qf3 Bf8 16. a3 g6 17. Bd3 Bg7 18. Rae1 Nf8 19. Bxh6 Bxh6 AR> 20. Qxf6 Bg7 21. Qh4 Ne6 22. Ne2 Qb6 23. c3 Qxb2 24. Rb1 Qxa3 25. Rxb7 AR> Reb8 26. Rfb1 Rxb7 27. Rxb7 Nxd4 28. Nxd4 Qxc3 29. Bxg6 fxg6 30. Rxg7 AR> Kxg7 1/2 1/2 (my offer - he can harass my king enough to stop me from AR> making progress and if I'm not careful, he will get too many chances) I just took a quick look at this (and corrected a couple of typos!), but t appears as though Yudasin overlooked or underestimated the consequences of your 27...Nxd4. He probably wasn't really expecting you to sac a Knight for 2 Pawns, but once you had done so, saw he could sac it back and then some while keeping at least a repetition draw in hand. Later, Bruce Moon