--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DCN00018 Date: 08/19/96 From: JEREMY MC MURRAY Time: 02:09am \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 2 times) Subj: Ozzie Smith, an All-star!?!?!? RE: Ozzie Smith, an All-star!?!?!? BY: Ed Grinnell to Scott Zolnoski on Mon Jul 15 1996 05:03 pm > If Sosa (or any of the others, for that matter) can't make an All-Star eam > after this year, I won't cry over that fact. I'd rather see a guy who has do > it YEAR AFTER YEAR, as opposed to one-year wonders. But I don't like seeing a guy in the All Star Game who should have retired five years ago. --- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.21 * Origin: Vertrauen - Home of Synchronet - (714) 529-9525 (1:103/705) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DCP00000 Date: 08/19/96 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 03:56pm \/To: TAL RON (Read 2 times) Subj: Hmmm Tal Ron was seen kissing Large Marge and telling us: TR> Had they given Moltior the extra money, they most likley would have lost TR> Surhoff or Hamilton a year sooner. No, they wouldn't have. What Molitor was offering the club was his "loyalty" rate and they chose to show what "loyalty" means to them by low balling him. He was willing to give up millions to stay with the club but finally left after he had enough. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Where did you go, Joe Charboneau? (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DCP00001 Date: 08/19/96 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 04:04pm \/To: PAIGE MILLER (Read 2 times) Subj: Relief pitching Paige Miller gave up a long homer to Otis Nixon and said: PM> Nope, you can get a save with one pitch. Or with zero pitches, if you PM> pick a runner off and it is the last out of the game. Rule 10.20 gives PM> the definition of a save. Its too long for me to type in right now... Fortunately for you, I've already done so and keep an archive of it. Here is the save rule from its beginning to its present day form: 1969 Credit a save to a relief pitcher who enters a game with his team in the lead if he holds the lead the remainder of the game, provided he is not credited with the victory. A relief pitcher cannot be credited with a save if he does not finish the game unless he is removed for a pinch hitter or pinch runner. When more than one relief pitcher qualifies for a save under the provisions of this rule, credit the save to the relief pitcher judged by the scorer to have been the most effective. Only one save can be credited in any game. 1973 A pitcher shall be credited with a save when, in entering a game as a relief pitcher, he finds the potential tying or winning run either on base or at the plate or pitches at least three or more effective innings, and, in either case, preserves the lead. 1975 Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions: (1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and (2) He is not the winning pitcher; and (3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions: (a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or (b) He enters the game with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces); or (c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings. No more than one save may be credited in each game. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Where did you go, Joe Charboneau? (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DCP00002 Date: 08/19/96 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 04:06pm \/To: JAMES DUNLOP (Read 2 times) Subj: Hmmm James was hit by a Randy Johnson fastball for uttering: JD> ARE (according to Ed, he has better info than I do) making a profit JD> overall, but refuse to spend money to improve their team, claiming JD> "poverty". I got a laugh out of the Astros' owner, who opened his books to show that he was making a loss and then a few sentences later, it was shown that the other company that he owns, which has the lease on the Astrodome, made a profit. His pleading poverty is almost as laughable as Selig listing the Braves (and the Dodgers) as a team that was losing money (In reference to statements made last year. Statements that he later back off from when they were met with "you've got to be joking" editorials). --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Marge Schott, the cure for Baseball Fever (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DCP00003 Date: 08/19/96 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 04:11pm \/To: JAMES DUNLOP (Read 2 times) Subj: Hmmm James was waived by Sparky Anderson and then ranted: JD> And then they compounded the stupidity by trying to show that they were JD> "spending money" by giving it to Franklin Stubbs. It never ceases to amaze me how far Selig will go to make HIS point. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Support Pete Rose and Nolan Ryan for the HOF (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DCP00004 Date: 08/19/96 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 04:14pm \/To: DAVID LENTZ (Read 2 times) Subj: Hmmm David Lentz gave up a long homer to Otis Nixon and said: DL> However I still disagree with referring to player's salaries as DL> investments. They are expense, hopefully ones that will be well spent. DL> An owner gives a player a contract in hope of a productive season. After DL> the expiration of the contract, the owner is left with no tangible DL> asset. I see no difference between this and a company spending money to advertise. The company expects the campaign to be successful but who knows if the particular campaign will be successful or not until it has run its course. Players' salaries are in the same category and as such, should be considered investments. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Johnson and Norm, then pray for a storm (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DCP00005 Date: 08/19/96 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 04:16pm \/To: TERRY MAY (Read 2 times) Subj: Relief pitching Terry May was seen kissing Large Marge and telling us: TM> I know that, but I still thought there was a minimum innings for the TM> Hold. There isn't a minimum for innings (just like a save). --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Where did you go, Joe Charboneau? (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DCP00006 Date: 08/19/96 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 05:45pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Workman's Comp * Crossposted in NBA_ECHO * Crossposted in SPORTS * Crossposted in ML-BASEBALL In a recent poll on ESPNET, voters responded 81% to 19% in the negative (I voted yes) to the question as to whether athletes deserve workman's comp. The story was a bit slanted in my opinion because it named some well-to-do athletes that filed while ignoring the names of less known players, who made up most of the list. Most of the players that have filed for workman's comp over the years have been the guys that didn't make the millions per year that the stars did and the claims made were from guys who played before the bonanza of Plan B, which made wealthy men out of some lesser knowns. For the guys that toiled in obscurity for the major league minimum or for those that were stuck in the minor leagues for far less, workman's comp is the difference between financial ruin and staying afloat. The state that they were talking about was California, however, Jerry Jones has waged his own war against former Cowboys on the issue of workman's comp (Including one player, who needed hip replacement surgury) and he didn't pay a penny for these guys, who retired before Jones even bought the team. Unlike the "high life" that some people envision for former athletes, many honestly can't afford the high cost of rehabilitating their injuries, which clearly were job-related (I find it funny that the guys that run these insurance companies and retire with enough money to choke a horse, feel that they deserve to be able to draw Social Security benefits like every other Joe but they won't allow VALID claims by athletes who can't afford to pay the bills). Believe me, this question goes FAR BEYOND athletes. Texas was so successful in their efforts to cut down workman's comp benefits that insurers reported a $699 million PROFIT in 1994 (This despite the fact that the number of workers hurt on the job increased by over 50,000 from 1991 to 1994. Former Texas Insurance Board chairperson Claire Korioth went so far as to write GM, who was talking about closing its Arlington plant, that "workers' compensation benefits were cut to the lowest in the nation" and "no state to my knowledge has adopted the *impairment* guidelines that Texas has." To say that this caused as stir in Texas, would be an understatement). Disqualifying athletes, especially those who can't afford to pay the bills, is not only unfair, it's the first step in watering down benefits for everyone (Either by eliminating them by income or by putting up a red tape wall the size of the one in China). Think about that the next time that someone says that they don't deserve benefits. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Good luck, Raptors and Grizzlies. You'll need it! (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DCP00007 Date: 08/19/96 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 08:40pm \/To: TAL RON (Read 2 times) Subj: Hmmm Tal was waived by Sparky Anderson and then ranted: TR> they're gonna lose some games. But in a city with a metropolitan of TR> around 14 million, there's gonna be diehard fans, and just people who TR> decide to go to the ballgame, drawing large attendences and revenue. TR> That leads to signing the big free agents in the off-season, and TR> rebuilding the team Ah, but here's something that you probably didn't know: New York doesn't have the kind of advantage in attendance as you might like to believe. New York's population is around 18 mil and they've consistently been outdrawn over the past 10 years by LA (by an average of 800,000 per year) despite their 4 mil people edge. Boston, 4.1 mil, also draws slightly more than New York and St. Louis, 2.4 mil, has also outdrawn the Yankees (Heck, in the last 12 years, Minnesota has outdrawn the White Sox by an average of 108,000 per year). --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Striking a blow to purists (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: DCP00008 Date: 08/19/96 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 09:14pm \/To: JEREMY MC MURRAY (Read 2 times) Subj: Ozzie Smith, an All-star!?!?!? The Braves traded Jeremy Mc Murray to the Pirates for saying: JMM> But I don't like seeing a guy in the All Star Game who should have JMM> retired five years ago. Hmmm, .285, .295, .288, .262, .199 (156 at bats) and .281. That's his batting average for the past 6 years. Just where do you see retirement plans being made by him 5 years ago? --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Johnson and Norm, then pray for a storm (1:170/1701)