--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5Q00002 Date: 05/19/96 From: MARK YODER Time: 01:52pm \/To: DAVID LENTZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Al-O-Mar David Lentz sounded like Yogi when saying: MY>> I'm watching the David-Paige discussion to see what comes of David's MY>> mathematical and statistical analysis... DL> Several headaches, and a perilous climb up the learning curve. Keep working... maybe you'll get onto something that is useful. Lord knows we can use a few more stats to keep track of. 8-) -= .\\ark =- ... "Everything's got a moral if only you can find it." --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: 1908 - When tickets were cheap, and the Cubs were Champs (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5Q00003 Date: 05/19/96 From: MARK YODER Time: 01:50pm \/To: DAVID LENTZ (Read 1 times) Subj: B*tch in Cincy, Part III David Lentz sounded like Yogi when saying: MY>> She's the epitome of a horse's butt. DL> I disagree. A horse's butt is good for dog food. Good point. Sorry ol' Marge would be distasteful in any dog's mouth, I'm sure. -= .\\ark =- ... Grow up?!? David never finished his _first_ childhood. :-) --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: Corner of Clark & Addison (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5Q00004 Date: 05/19/96 From: MARK YODER Time: 01:53pm \/To: RIC JOHNSON (Read 1 times) Subj: B*tch in Cincy, Part III Ric Johnson was fondling The Chicken while saying to Mark Yoder: MY>>> She's the epitome of a horse's butt. RJ> Is Bud Selig that powerless? Can it be that this woman can continue to RJ> do whatever, whenever she wants to? Baseball is working hard to try RJ> and recover, and she sets the Game back each time she opens her mouth. RJ> Have you seen the SI article yet? Sheesh! Bud is nothing more than another owner - an owner of one of the smallest, least valuable teams in Major League. His "power" is nothing more than the respect of the other owners because he's been around for a while. What he thinks is somewhere between shinola and that other word in the dictionary... -= .\\ark =- ... Make someone happy Ric; mind your own business. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: Cubbies Forever! (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5Q00005 Date: 05/19/96 From: MARK YODER Time: 01:49pm \/To: ALLAN KAUFMAN (Read 1 times) Subj: yes master Allan Kaufman caught a foul-tip in the mask for saying: MY> put it all on one line. MY>> === Cut === MY>> Thank you. AK> so sorry master Mark. Netmail to you and your sysop, on the way. -= .\\ark =- ... Allan: Twit of the Year 1996. Congratulations! --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: Cubbies Forever! (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5Q00006 Date: 05/19/96 From: MARK YODER Time: 05:55pm \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 1 times) Subj: Al-O-Mar Ed Grinnell was let go on waivers for saying to Mark Yoder: EG> Would you call Dante Bichette the best hitter in the NL based on HIS EG> statistics or would you take into account the fact that he played in a EG> park that boosted his numbers? Sure. It is very clear, and physically provable that balls carry farther and are affected by a lack of dense air at high altitudes. Answer me this, though: Is the SkyDome so far above/below the average MLB park that by playing most of your games there, defensive numbers are automatically deflated? EG> Of the bottom 7 teams in Range Factor, ALL SEVEN were at the bottom of EG> the league in GB/FB ratio and 6 of the 7 were at the bottom of the EG> league in ground balls. In what I'm sure you or David are going to EG> consider a variation of the REAL Ray Nardella statement, you can't field EG> what ISN'T hit your way (Not that I feel that people are avoiding EG> Alomar, just that when you have a team that throws so few ground balls, EG> he simply can't get a lot of plays to his credit). We're not talking teams, Ed, we're talking Alomar. Now, are you stating that Toronto during Alomar's career there, were in the bottom seven for range factor, and also in the bottom seven for average ground balls for 9 innings? If so, then perhaps you have an argument. With regard to a Nardella comment, there's a big difference in saying that players are hitting it away from Alomar, and saying that the BlueJays were the recipients of far fewer ground balls than average on defense. I am smart enough to know that you're not mounting the same defense as Nardella. -= .\\ark =- ... "Modesty died when false modesty was born." Mark Twain --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: Cubbies Forever! (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5Q00007 Date: 05/19/96 From: MARK YODER Time: 06:02pm \/To: ED GRINNELL (Read 1 times) Subj: Al-O-Mar Ed Grinnell sounded like Yogi when saying: MY>> but as we've shown several dozen times, his numbers are routinely MY>> and repeatedly below the "expected" values. EG> WHAT expected values? Your expectations or anyone's expectations? Alomar's EG> Zone Rating numbers consistently rank him as ONE OF THE WORST IN BASEBALL. Precisely. As one who is touted as defensively "the best", one would expect his defensive numbers to be near the top. They're not. If he wasn't good, he wouldn't be making the plays he does. However, (comma) if he was "great", his numbers wouldn't suck the way they do. -= .\\ark =- ... It's Ed- Don't Confuse Me With The Facts -Drennon. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: Fighting Irish Fan Club (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5Q00008 Date: 05/19/96 From: MARK YODER Time: 06:17pm \/To: JOHN WILLIAMS (Read 1 times) Subj: YOU BE THE UMPIRE While playing "Finger Licking Good" with The Chicken, John Williams said: PM>> Runner on first, nobody out. The batter hits a high pop fly near PM>> first base. The firstbaseman tries to get under the ball, but before PM>> he can do so, he bumps into the runner, who is still touching first PM>> base. The ball falls in fair territory. TW>> No infraction. Good chance for a double-play though, depending on how TW>> the ball bounces... JW> Not really, in a play like that the "infield fly rule" most likely JW> would be in effect. So the batter would be out regardless and the JW> runner would stay on first. :) Infield fly rule comes into effect when there are runners at (at least) first and second with less than two outs. No infield fly in this case. -= .\\ark =- ... I am merely responding to John's nonsensical ramblings. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: "NO WAY" to Interleague Play (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5Q00009 Date: 05/19/96 From: MARK YODER Time: 06:20pm \/To: BOB KOHL (Read 1 times) Subj: YOU BE THE UMPIRE Bob Kohl sounded like Yogi when saying: PM>> Runner on first, nobody out. The batter hits a high pop fly near PM>> first base. The firstbaseman tries to get under the ball, but before PM>> he can do so, he bumps into the runner, who is still touching first PM>> base. The ball falls in fair territory. BK> I'll take a stab at it. It sounds like an Infield fly. I suppose that BK> the Infield fly rule is in effect on it. But since I was judged wrong n BK> the last one, I'll reserve any judgment until I hear an official nswer. BK> So it's an Infield Fly, period. Infield Fly: is a fair fly ball (not including a line drive or attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort, when first and second or first, second and third are occupied before two are out. ... but I enjoyed the ensuing monologue. 8-) -= .\\ark =- ... Bob: Diagonally parked in a parallel universe. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: "NO WAY" to Interleague Play (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5Q00010 Date: 05/19/96 From: MARK YODER Time: 10:30pm \/To: JARED WALKER (Read 1 times) Subj: You call It 2 Jared Walker sounded like Yogi when saying: JW> 1) There is a runner on 3rd and the squeeze is on. The catcher ees JW> the runner break for the plate and just as the ball is pitched he steps JW> out of the catchers box and tags the runner (before he reaches the JW> plate)..... Is the runner out or is he safe?? He's OUT! Rule 4.03(a) applies here. The catcher must remain in the catchers box only during an intentional walk, and only until the ball is pitched. JW> 2) Runners on 1st and 3rd, 2 outs. The batter hits a fly ball to JW> the short-stop and he dropps it allowing the runner from 3rd to cross JW> the plate..... What's the call?? E-6, run scores. Rule 2.00, and 6.05(l). Infield fly only applies when runners are at first and second (or bases loaded) with less than two outs. No penalty for being stupid and letting the ball drop on purpose. JW> 3) No runners on, no outs. Count on the batter is full (3-2). The JW> batter hits the ball down the left-field line. The ball takes 1 bounce in JW> fair territory and the left-fielder accidentaly knocks the ball over the JW> fence in foul territory, after the runner rounded 2nd (fast runner JW> huh)..... What's the call?? Rule 7.05(f). Batter/Runner is entitled to second base (two bases) for an unintentional deflection by the fielder of a fair batted ball into the stands or otherwise out of play. Easy ones. 8-) -= .\\ark =- ... Jared is temperamental: 50% temper, 50% mental. --- GoldED/2 2.50+ 1547US3 * Origin: "NO WAY" to Interleague Play (1:3634/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5Q00011 Date: 05/19/96 From: PAUL LOPEZ Time: 05:38pm \/To: PAIGE MILLER (Read 1 times) Subj: B*tch In Cincy, Part Iii Paige... PM>The owners don't want a REAL commissioner with power to make them do >things they don't want to do. They proved this by firing Fay Vincent. And >whoever they select some day as the next commissioner will find out very >quickly that forcing the owners to do things they don't want to do will >lead to a dismissal. That may be but how long can they operate in this manner under Bud Selig? 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