--------------- ------------------------------ Next conference: FIDO Message Area Next topic: 234 Baseball FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5K00000 Date: 05/09/96 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 07:12pm \/To: BRUCE MARSHALL (Read 6 times) Subj: Expos Bruce was waived by Sparky Anderson and then ranted: BM> What ever happened to repeat? I actually would love to see the Expos BM> get into the playoffs. After 30+ years, LONG TIME Braves' fans are happy just to have one. A repeat would be nice but "we have ours". BM> BTW, who was it in this echo that stated that the Expos should get BM> rid of Rodriguez? Let him without hoof-in-mouth disease cast the first stone (and that isn't you).:-) --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Striking a blow to purists (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5K00001 Date: 05/09/96 From: ED GRINNELL Time: 07:17pm \/To: MARK YODER (Read 1 times) Subj: Al-O-Mar Mark was waived by Sparky Anderson and then ranted: MY> Holy Sheep-shooie... here we go again. Did someone bring back Ray MY> Nardella from the incarnate? Sorry, Mark but watching him play and watching those numbers WILL leave you scratching your head as to why this "god-like" quality has been given to the numbers when they have no basis in reality. --- TrekEd 1.00 * Origin: Marge Schott, the cure for Baseball Fever (1:170/1701) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5K00002 Date: 05/08/96 From: PAIGE MILLER Time: 06:45am \/To: TRENT WOODRUFF (Read 1 times) Subj: You Call It -=> Trent Woodruff took a called strike three for saying to Mark Yoder <=- -=> Quoting Mark Yoder to Jared Walker <=- JW> Here's one for all you statistitions out there. What would the JW> ruling be if a ball pitched by the pitcher, that hits the catcher (say, in JW> the helmet), and bounces back and hits the batter??? MY> Assuming the ball didn't cross the plate in the strike zone, it would MY> be a ball. Otherwise, it would be a strike. That would be no MY> different than the catcher muffing a catch and it bounced off his MY> shingaurd and hit the batter's leg. The ball remains live and runners MY> may advance at their own peril. TW> Are you sure? I would have thought that if it hits the batter while TW> he's still in the batter's box, it is a foul ball, since he is in foul TW> territory. The batter never hit the ball, so it couldn't be a foul ball. ... I'm not a tagline, but I play one on TV. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- * KMail 3.10m Knight Moves --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5K00003 Date: 05/09/96 From: PAIGE MILLER Time: 06:39am \/To: TRENT WOODRUFF (Read 1 times) Subj: You Call It -=> Trent Woodruff took a called strike three for saying to Paige Miller <=- -=> Quoting Paige Miller to Trent Woodruff <=- JW> Here's one for all you statistitions out there. What would JW> the ruling be if a ball pitched by the pitcher, that hits the catcher JW> (say, in the helmet), and bounces back and hits the batter??? TW> Dead ball. The batter's standing in foul territory, thus any runners TW> cannot advance. PM> Nothing has happened to make the ball dead. Hitting the catcher in the PM> helmet might make the catcher dead, but the ball is not dead. TW> If the ball hits the batter, while he is standing in fair territory TW> (the batter's box is considered to be foul territory), it is a dead TW> ball. After the ball hits the catcher, the ball does not become dead by hitting the batter. The ball remains alive. ... Can you do the Picard Maneuver in a Grand am? ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- * KMail 3.10m Knight Moves --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5K00004 Date: 05/09/96 From: PAIGE MILLER Time: 06:44am \/To: MARK YODER (Read 1 times) Subj: Al-O-Mar -=> Mark Yoder took a called strike three for saying to David Lentz <=- MY> David Lentz was let go on waivers for saying to Paige Miller: PM>> I'm not quite sure what to call the above method, as I don't even begin PM>> understand the logic behind it. DL> I accept that my process is not what you would call correlation. MY> Amazing... 8-) Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks? ... You can't teach an old dog new tricks ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- * KMail 3.10m Knight Moves --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5K00005 Date: 05/14/96 From: TRENT WOODRUFF Time: 01:09am \/To: RUSS PAIGE (Read 1 times) Subj: Did someone cry "Foul?" -=> Quoting Russ Paige to Trent Woodruff <=- JW> Here's one for all you statistitions out there. What would the JW> ruling be if a ball pitched by the pitcher, that hits the catcher (say, JW> the helmet), and bounces back and hits the batter??? TW> Are you sure? I would have thought that if it hits the batter while TW> he's still in the batter's box, it is a foul ball, since he is in foul TW> territory. RP> Come on, Trent, put your thinking helmet on. RP> The pitch never touched the bat, yet you're going to call it a foul RP> ball? Yes, I know...I didn't MEAN foul ball, I MEANT dead ball. I mis-spoke. So switch in 'dead ball' for 'foul ball' and then tell me if I'm wrong or not. ... Paranoid: The guy who just now figured out what's going on. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR] * Origin: PipeLine! A State of Mind * Palm Bay Fl 407-728-7386 (1:374/147) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5K00006 Date: 05/14/96 From: TRENT WOODRUFF Time: 01:09am \/To: PAIGE MILLER (Read 1 times) Subj: You Call It -=> Quoting Paige Miller to Trent Woodruff <=- MY> BZZZZZT. If the ball hits the batter while he's in the batters box, MY> before it strikes anything else, it is a dead ball and he is awarded MY> first base. If it strikes anything else before it hits the batter MY> (except for the bat), it is a live ball, and would likely be called a MY> wild pitch or a passed ball. TW> I don't know. I'll take your word for it, because I really DON'T TW> know... but that just doesn't "sound right" to me. It just seems that TW> if the ball touches the offensive player, in foul territory, that it TW> would be a dead ball. I umpire quite a bit, and haven't ever seen TW> anything that really addresses this. Could you point me in the right TW> direction, so that if I DO (somehow) have to make this call, I can TW> back myself up? PM> Well take Mark's word for it. Or look it up yourself. Didn't you read what I said? I SAID that I couldn't find anything eferencing it, either way. That's why I was asking for a bit of direction. PM> Nowhere does it PM> say that the ball becomes dead when a pitch bounces off the catcher and PM> hits the batter. Pro Rule 5.09(a) says: "5.09 The ball becomes dead and PM> runners advance one base, or return to their bases, without liability PM> to be put out, when-- (a) A pitched ball touches the batter, or his PM> clothing, while in his legal batting position; runners, if forced, PM> advance." PM> Note that once the ball hits the catcher, we no longer have a pitched PM> ball, and so there is nothing in the rules that would make this a dead PM> ball. As far as I can see, the rules don't address it AT ALL. And I'm not sure that means it's a live ball, since the rules DO address many circumstances when a ball DOES stay "live". PM> I'm quite concerned by your statement that "It just seems that if the PM> ball touches the offensive player, in foul territory, that it would be PM> a dead ball." I'll bet you've never seen this called. I've never seen this circumstance happen at ALL, actually. PM> The consequences are disastrous -- imagine a fast runner on first with PM> a weak-throwing catcher. The catcher knows he can't throw the runner out, PM> so if the runner breaks for second, all the catcher would have to do is PM> deflect the pitch into the batter, and we have a dead ball, return that PM> runner to first! As a former catcher, I can assure you that would be difficult, at BEST, to do. Not ONLY that, if the runner is THAT fast, and the catcher's arm THAT weak, the catcher would also be possibly risking the runner taking THIRD AS WELL, wouldn't he? After all, that sort of play wouldn't exactly be easy to "control the ball" in... PM> What possible reason could there be for calling dead ball PM> when the ball accidentally contacts the batter? And if the batter, relaxing and backing out of the batter's box, happens to KICK the ball accidentally, rather than have it simply "hit" him? ... Chickens: How eggs make more eggs. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 [NR] * Origin: PipeLine! A State of Mind * Palm Bay Fl 407-728-7386 (1:374/147) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5K00007 Date: 05/09/96 From: ALLAN KAUFMAN Time: 04:03pm \/To: MARK YODER (Read 1 times) Subj: B*tch in Cincy, Part III -=> Quoting Mark Yoder to All <=- -=> Quoting Mark Yoder to All <=- MY> Well, barely 7 weeks in to the season, and Large Marge MY> Schott-off-her-mouth is at it again. For those of you who missed MY> it, Marge has an affinity for Hitler and says that everyone knows MY> he started out good, with the right intent. Amazing. What a MY> friggin' moron. Well Mark we found something to agree on. She is without a doubt the biggest idiot in sports. I see Cubbies doing good. Sammy Sosa would look good in a Red Sox uniform. Do you think pitching will hold up. How's Sandberg doing? Hey Mark if Red Sox and Cubs played in world series would anybody win! {grin} |==========================================| | Allan Kaufman -= Derry,NH =- "AK" | | CompuServe: 104321,3462 Fido: 1:324/127 | | Internet: allan.kaufman@castle.shore.net | |==========================================| ... Reality-ometer: [\........] Hmmph! Thought so... --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] * Origin: Computer Castle / 20 Lines / Newton, NH / 603-382-0338 (1:324/127) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 234 BASEBALL Ref: D5K00008 Date: 05/09/96 From: GREG CALIRI Time: 09:56pm \/To: MARK YODER (Read 1 times) Subj: You Call It * In a message originally sent to Matt Sparks, Mark Yoder stated: -MY> Matt Sparks was ejected for saying to Jared Walker -MY> JW>> Here's one for all you statistitions out there. What would -MY> JW>> the ruling be if a ball pitched by the pitcher, that hits the -MY> catcher -MY> JW>> (say, in the helmet), and bounces back and hits the batter??? -MY> MS> After it goes past the plate, a uncontrolled ball is considered -MY> wild, so -MY> MS> the batter would not receive a walk. -MY> He would if it was ball four. Or, if it were strike three and first base were unoccupied, or there were two out, he would become a runner. -MY> I think you meant to say he wouldn't receive a base based -MY> on the fact he was a hit batsman. --- * Origin: Computer Castle / 20 Lines / Newton, NH / 603-382-0338 (1:324/127)