> > +----------------------------+ > > > > > > > > > -- > > Steve Jacobson > National Federation of the Blind > 3M Company > E-mail: SOJACOBSON@MMM.COM > > The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the 3M Company. > > > --- # Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) * Origin: The Playhouse TC's Gaming BBS/www.phouse.com/698.3748 (1:282/4059) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: F5G00132Date: 04/20/98 From: EMPOWER@SMART.NET Time: 06:42pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Why the NFB From: empower@smart.net Subject: Re: Why the NFB Although we have had our differences in the past, I have always thought that Mr. Jernigan has done more to advance the condition of blind people than any living person in the world today. Although Dallas in July may be his last NFB convention by his own statements, I wouldn't count him out yet in his battle with cancer. If anyone has the character and resourcefulness to win such a battle, I think he does. Regards, Jamal On 1998-04-19 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said: >I don't think the federation is now in the unfortunate situation. >It has done far more than any other organizations of the blind. Dr. >Tenbroek and Dr. Jernigan both have done their jobs in their >consistant beliefs and philosophy of blindness. The fact that >there might be some agreements and or disagreements on what the >federation including its leaders have done is something I would >emphasise less than the main purposes. Leaders are human beings. >They have their own personal characters. I can have a dialog with >anyone as long as they are genuine with their belief. Dr. Jernigan >happens to be a person with a strong belief most of which I happen >to agree with him. I admitedly said to him that I may disagree >with him on the matter of how certain things can be done, but I do >agree with him on the matter of what it means to be blind. And >that is, what I believe, to be the most important matter for the >federation. Regards, Thian. >On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Steve Zielinski wrote: >> Thian, >> Thanks very much for the additional information. No, I do not in >> any way take it out of context and also take the statement for >>what it is, a statement of power. It is also brutal politics >>unfortunately. Nevertheless, it says a whole lot about where Mr. >>Jernigan is coming from and explains a lot about why the >>federation is what it is politically. Quite unfortunate. >> I had an experience when working with Jamal Mazrui on his case >> which is quite interesting. During the campaign I got a phone >>call from Homer Page who was then involved with the leadership. >>For all I know he still is, I just don't know. He asked me if I >>was intending to hold a picket of the federation board on the >>next day. He indicated that rumor had it that I was. I was >>quite astounded since there was absolutely no plan for any kind >>of picket, though it probably was a good idea. This showed me >>how one of the ttactics used by the leadership when under >>pressure is to promote rumor and innuendo. I don't know who >>started the picket rumor and I admit the leadership made a call >>to find out, but the very idea of a picket was never considered. >>I know none of us who were involved with the Mazrui case ever >>considered a picket, to the best of my personal knowledge. >>Nevertheless, there was the rumor. So how did it get started >>anyway? We'll never know. Others were in the room when the call >>came in and we discussed the phone call afterwards. So I also >>wanted to get first hand knowledge of a statement if possible as I >>quite recall the phone call from Page and this whole experience >>makes me want to varify what I hear when possible. I know you >would understand. And again, testing facts, verifying issues and >>statements is part of a more open democratic process. > Take >care and have a nice day. > >> On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Monthian Buntan wrote: >> > >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > I heard it myself as I sat with Dr. Jernigan. A man from one >>country in > Asia, who was and still is admiring nfb's >>achievement in its persistent in > the philosophy of blindness, >>asked him such question. > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Thian. >> > >> > PS: I hope the statement I quoted earlier was not taken out of >>context. > >> > >> > On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Steve Zielinski wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > Thian, >> > > >> > > Interesting comments there. Were you able to hear this >>comment > > of Mr. Jernigan first hand or was the information >>passed on to you from a > > source who was there? When did this >>happen? I ask this so as to > > establish the historical context >>of the statement and to gain further > > knowledge. Thanks >> > > >> > > Steve >> > > >> > > >> > > On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Mr. Monthian Buntan wrote: >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Perhaps some of us may find this comment helpful and please >>feel free to > > > state any further comment. >> > > > >> > > > I remember listening to one of Dr. Tenbroek's speeches >>which stated that > > > the organized blind movement must be >>strong by its determination and > > > purpose, and must be >>democratic by its process. > > > >> > > > Also at a dining table in Melborne, Australia, one person >>asked Dr. > > > Jernigan when he would step down (meaning when he >>would let the > > > organization run on its own by new generation >>without much of his > > > involvement)? And I remember very >>clearly that he said "power cannot be > > > given. It mmust be >>taken. If I give power to anyone, then he/she does not > > > >>really have power on his/her own." Dr. Kenneth Jernigan is indeed >>a living > > > blind philosopher of our time. But how many >>people, even many of us in the > > > federation, really >>understand what he has said? > > > > > > Cheers, >> > > > >> > > > Thian. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > +----------------------------+ >> > > | Steve Zielinski (N8UJS) | >> > > | stevez@ripco.com | >> > > +----------------------------+ >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> +----------------------------+ >> | Steve Zielinski (N8UJS) | >> | stevez@ripco.com | >> +----------------------------+ Net-Tamer V 1.09.2 - Registered --- # Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) * Origin: The Playhouse TC's Gaming BBS/www.phouse.com/698.3748 (1:282/4059) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: F5G00133Date: 04/21/98 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 05:09am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Why The NFB From: David Andrews Subject: Re: Why The NFB The incident you are beating to death happened 7 years ago, and Jamal is in the organization again. Let it go, he has! David andrews At 09:24 AM 4/18/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >Harvey, > > I can't see the leadership apologizing to Jamal. Of course they >should, but that would imply they made a mistake in what they did. You >can't admit to a mistake when you want to make sure you keep all your >power. It may not even be a calculated decision to not apologize, though >I think that may have been discussed when they talked about his case >while considering accepting his membership. Rather, I think the idea of >an apology may even offen some of the board since they cannot consider >the possibility that they may be in the wrong. > >On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Harvey Heagy wrote: > >> >> >> That's the dangerous thing about absolute power. At some point >> any well intentioned leadership becomes too powerful and begins >> to feed the power structure. I too hope that Jamal is sincere >> about working with the organization and will not attempt to >> further his agenda about joining co-elisions and such as that >> has already been proven to be a failure for blind people. There >> is an important difference between joining them and working along >> side them when possible. >> >> Also, remember that at the A.C.B.'s Greensboro Convention, I >> believe, Jamal unsuccessfully ran for second vice-president of the >> A.C.B. only a year before returning to the N.F.B. But according to >> a friend of mine who belongs to the A.C.B., the A.C.B. was cautious >> remembering that they thought they had a blue chip in Robert Acosta >> and found out later what a disaster it had to deal with much to its >> chagrin and financial losses in the hundreds of >> thousands of dollars. So I hope his is a sincere effort, but I >> still feel the national leadership should have apologized to him >> for violating its own procedure in the expulsion process. I am >> not opposed to expulsion when warranted, but I regard it as a very >> serious issue not to be taken lightly. No matter what a person >> may be guilty of, he or she still deserves a fair and proper >> hearing. >> >> Harvey >> >> >> > > >+----------------------------+ >| Steve Zielinski (N8UJS) | >| stevez@ripco.com | >+----------------------------+ > > > > --- # Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) * Origin: The Playhouse TC's Gaming BBS/www.phouse.com/698.3748 (1:282/4059) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: F5G00134Date: 04/21/98 From: STEVE ZIELINSKI Time: 06:22am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Why the NFB From: Steve Zielinski Subject: Re: Why the NFB Agreed with this Jamal. Quite true. On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 empower@smart.net wrote: > > > Although we have had our differences in the past, I have always thought > that Mr. Jernigan has done more to advance the condition of blind people > than any living person in the world today. Although Dallas in July may be > his last NFB convention by his own statements, I wouldn't count him out > yet in his battle with cancer. If anyone has the character and > resourcefulness to win such a battle, I think he does. > > Regards, > Jamal > > On 1998-04-19 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said: > >I don't think the federation is now in the unfortunate situation. > >It has done far more than any other organizations of the blind. Dr. > >Tenbroek and Dr. Jernigan both have done their jobs in their > >consistant beliefs and philosophy of blindness. The fact that > >there might be some agreements and or disagreements on what the > >federation including its leaders have done is something I would > >emphasise less than the main purposes. Leaders are human beings. > >They have their own personal characters. I can have a dialog with > >anyone as long as they are genuine with their belief. Dr. Jernigan > >happens to be a person with a strong belief most of which I happen > >to agree with him. I admitedly said to him that I may disagree > >with him on the matter of how certain things can be done, but I do > >agree with him on the matter of what it means to be blind. And > >that is, what I believe, to be the most important matter for the > >federation. Regards, Thian. > >On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Steve Zielinski wrote: > >> Thian, > >> Thanks very much for the additional information. No, I do not in > >> any way take it out of context and also take the statement for > >>what it is, a statement of power. It is also brutal politics > >>unfortunately. Nevertheless, it says a whole lot about where Mr. > >>Jernigan is coming from and explains a lot about why the > >>federation is what it is politically. Quite unfortunate. > >> I had an experience when working with Jamal Mazrui on his case > >> which is quite interesting. During the campaign I got a phone > >>call from Homer Page who was then involved with the leadership. > >>For all I know he still is, I just don't know. He asked me if I > >>was intending to hold a picket of the federation board on the > >>next day. He indicated that rumor had it that I was. I was > >>quite astounded since there was absolutely no plan for any kind > >>of picket, though it probably was a good idea. This showed me > >>how one of the ttactics used by the leadership when under > >>pressure is to promote rumor and innuendo. I don't know who > >>started the picket rumor and I admit the leadership made a call > >>to find out, but the very idea of a picket was never considered. > >>I know none of us who were involved with the Mazrui case ever > >>considered a picket, to the best of my personal knowledge. > >>Nevertheless, there was the rumor. So how did it get started > >>anyway? We'll never know. Others were in the room when the call > >>came in and we discussed the phone call afterwards. So I also > >>wanted to get first hand knowledge of a statement if possible as I > >>quite recall the phone call from Page and this whole experience > >>makes me want to varify what I hear when possible. I know you > >would understand. And again, testing facts, verifying issues and > >>statements is part of a more open democratic process. > Take > >care and have a nice day. > > >> On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Monthian Buntan wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Hello, > >> > > >> > I heard it myself as I sat with Dr. Jernigan. A man from one > >>country in > Asia, who was and still is admiring nfb's > >>achievement in its persistent in > the philosophy of blindness, > >>asked him such question. > > >> > Regards, > >> > > >> > Thian. > >> > > >> > PS: I hope the statement I quoted earlier was not taken out of > >>context. > > >> > > >> > On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Steve Zielinski wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Thian, > >> > > > >> > > Interesting comments there. Were you able to hear this > >>comment > > of Mr. Jernigan first hand or was the information > >>passed on to you from a > > source who was there? When did this > >>happen? I ask this so as to > > establish the historical context > >>of the statement and to gain further > > knowledge. Thanks > >> > > > >> > > Steve > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Mr. Monthian Buntan wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Perhaps some of us may find this comment helpful and please > >>feel free to > > > state any further comment. > >> > > > > >> > > > I remember listening to one of Dr. Tenbroek's speeches > >>which stated that > > > the organized blind movement must be > >>strong by its determination and > > > purpose, and must be > >>democratic by its process. > > > > >> > > > Also at a dining table in Melborne, Australia, one person > >>asked Dr. > > > Jernigan when he would step down (meaning when he > >>would let the > > > organization run on its own by new generation > >>without much of his > > > involvement)? And I remember very > >>clearly that he said "power cannot be > > > given. It mmust be > >>taken. If I give power to anyone, then he/she does not > > > > >>really have power on his/her own." Dr. Kenneth Jernigan is indeed > >>a living > > > blind philosopher of our time. But how many > >>people, even many of us in the > > > federation, really > >>understand what he has said? > > > > > > Cheers, > >> > > > > >> > > > Thian. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > >