--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEV00006Date: 10/23/97 From: HHEAGY@DELPHI.COM Time: 06:09pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Talking V.C.R. From: hheagy@delphi.com Subject: Talking V.C.R. For those who have been inquiring about talking V.C.R.'s, I do have some information that may be of interest. Neither Sharp nor Panisonic make one with their brand names on them. However, according to information I have received from Panisonic's video division, they will do a run of them for any company or organization that requests it and will even let the organization market it under its own name although I don't know what a minimum run would be. The number for Panasonick's video division is: 1-714-373-7894 for those organizations that may be interested in looking into this matter further. Harvey Net-Tamer V 1.09 - Registered --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEV00007Date: 10/25/97 From: RICHARD WEBB Time: 04:39pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: libertarianism and NFB philosophy From: Richard Webb Subject: libertarianism and NFB philosophy Mike Freeman wrote: >This isn't germane to NFB philosophy but I'll make a few comments >and leave it at that. >RW> As for bread lines, you don't see many >RW> libertarians in them, but you >RW> see a lot of folks who are second or >RW> third generation standers in >RW> said bread lines . This is real >RW> sad, but it's time to break the >A few observations: privatizing things won't help. There is just >as much bureaucracy in the private sector as there is in >government. Else how explain the phenomenal success of Dilbert? >(incidentally, I think every Newsline site should have a "Dilbert >Channel" wherein each day's Dilbert strip would be described -- >grin). If you don't believe me, try calling your bank or mortgage >company. "Press One for This ... Press Two for That ..." and so >on ad infinitum. Amen to that brother. I think we as a movement do a good job in dvocating programs which really do the job. I guess it goesback to the idea that if you give a man a fish, he'll eat today. You teach him how to catch his own, he eats for a lifetime. >place. Were I President, I'd just love to get a bunch of real >pinko liberals in a room and say "Okay! You say we need to use >government to relieve poverty and ameliorate the bum conditions in >society. now, tell me how to do that on a shoe-string budget." >I'd also like to get all the laissez-faire capitalists and go-it- >alone types in a room and say: "Okay; you'r right; the >bureaucracy is stifling initiative. Now, tell me how you would >help the down-and-out?And don't fall back on just saying they >don't matter. I know you probably feel that some deserve to >starve but that's not an option. And don't talk about private >charity taking up the slack. First, it won't work because they >don't want to put in the time, effort and resources to help those >who *really* need it. Second, ever been the victim - er - >recipient of one of those charities?" This would be interesting. There again, I think we do well at working for programsd that get the job done. I think, though that it has to do more with the level of partnership between government and the private sector. Our right-wing folks don't think the government should do it, but aren't willing to take up the slack. The left, meanwhile thinks that throwing more money and bureaucracy at the problem will cause a solution. Both views are misguided and extremely shortsighted. One reason I don't throw my full support behind either major player. >I am very, very uncomfortable with affirmative action. I would >have voted for Prop 209 in California. yet I am very leary of >just yanking affirmative programs because no one has *really* >proposed anything to take their place. I resent to my dying day >that I was hired Schedule A. But I'd much rather have the >paycheck than not! There you go. Still, I have to go back to an example---the post civil war south. Most businesses were happy to serve and deal with the black man, until the black codes and other laws told them it wasn't okay to do so. The businessman wanted your dollars in his coffers, no matter what pigmentation your skin. Still, our government needs to be in the business of helping barriers come down through education and training, not through a system which just throws you a hunk of bread and tells you to shut up and go away now. >In other words, it's extremely easy to spout simplistic solutions >to problems you don't have to solve. it's damnably difficult to >come up with something that actually might work and that doesn't >pander to some special interest or other or, rather, which pinches >all special interests equally. >RW> Javits Wagner ODay and the great >RW> society were both bad ideas. >Maybe >I might agree with you. But consider: many thought that workshops >might make sense when no one else was hiring. That they paid a >pittance was as much a consequence of the contempt in which >workers in general were held as to anything else. Remember Ford >Motors with Harry Bennett and his goon squad? And yes, the Great >Society was probably eutopian. But it can be argued that it would >have worked better if President Johnson hadn't been trying to have >guns and butter at the same time. I'm not necessarily disagreeing >with you; I'm just saying that things are more complex than most >of us would care to admit. We've still the modern day equivalent of the Ford situation, except instead of goon squads, we've the replaceable human commodity. Part time, no benefits, bring 'em in, use 'em up and discard 'em about like an ole pair of shoes. That's what not having good representation of workers does for you. Yes, I'm pro union. Who else is going to advocate effectively for workers? The upshot is, my philosophy leans toward Libertarianism, but I hope is tempered with a degree of reality. I think those who advocate for the disadvantaged could tear a page or two out of our book and do well with it. Also, our government needs to do more for real training and education, which translates in better opportunities for the disadvantaged. Mr. local businessman can do his part too, as he benefits greatly from a better educated and trained work force. >RW> Btw, liked your comments on grade 3 >RW> braille. I still find it useful >RW> today, and am glad I took the time to learn it. >RW> Notice I didn't learn it at the school >RW> for the blind in preparation >RW> for junior high and high school, but >Neither did I; I taught myself from a book by Ruth Something-or- >other. I've lost the book but believe I still have Rodenberg's >reference book on Grade III. Have wished I had such a reference on more than one occasion. Use it for many things in my day to day life, especially for mixing notes in the studio. Don't know how I got through high school without it, but I did . 73. Richard, kb0ruu --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEV00008Date: 10/26/97 From: BARBARA FREEMAN Time: 12:25am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Tina's miscarrying From: Barbara Freeman Subject: Re: Tina's miscarrying I'm so sorry. Barbara Freeman --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEV00009Date: 10/26/97 From: HHEAGY@DELPHI.COM Time: 01:07pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Tina's miscarrying From: hheagy@delphi.com Subject: Re: Tina's miscarrying Hi Pat. I am very sorry to hear of Tina's pending miscarriage. I know you two want a baby very badly. I wish I could come up with more words of consolation. But even if you can't have a biological child, there are a lot of children who need the love of 2 loving parents both babies and older children who need adoption. Maybe you and Tina could look into that. Barbara Freeman is an excellent contact for that. I know of one teenager when I was growing up who practically worshiped his adopted parents who took him in when he was an older child because until they adopted him, nobody wanted him and he was so thankful to his parents for the adoption. Harvey Net-Tamer V 1.09 - Registered --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEX00000Date: 10/27/97 From: HHEAGY@DELPHI.COM Time: 05:03pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: responsibilities of leadership From: hheagy@delphi.com Subject: Re: responsibilities of leadership On 1997-10-27 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said: NF>If I had been on that bus, I would have assumed that since you NF>didn't act in my best interest then, how could I expect that you NF>would next time. I would also resent a leader who would knowingly NF>let me make an unwise choice so that I would know better next time. As I said, they had the facts laid out before them and made a decision which I abided by even though I didn't agree with it. If I had gone against the wishes of the majority, not only might I have had a full blown riot on my hands, but they would have resented me and the term "Dictator," would have been thrown around. At least this way they had only themselves to blame for what happened. In using your method, I couldn't have satisfied them either way. Either I get resented for going against the majority rule or I get resented for not doing it. It's the old," "Why do you listen to me," routine. If I had it to do over again, with the facts at my disposal that I had then, I would still do exactly the same thing. As I said, they had all the facts I had; they made the decision based on those facts. Harvey Net-Tamer V 1.09 - Registered --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEX00001Date: 10/27/97 From: SOJACOBSON@MMM.COM Time: 08:40am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Tina's miscarrying From: sojacobson@mmm.com Subject: Re: Tina's miscarrying Pat, I am saddened to hear your news. It just isn't fair, is it! Well, as you know, adoption can work, but it isn't an easy road, either. But the point is that it can be done, so hang in there. > Steve there was no heartbeat after 12 weeks with the sonogram yesterday so it looks like she will miscarry again. We'll probably do a dnc to allieviate any medical complications and I guess the only way now is to adopt. > > -- Steve Jacobson National Federation of the Blind 3M Company E-mail: SOJACOBSON@MMM.COM The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the 3M Company. --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEX00002Date: 10/27/97 From: RICHARD WEBB Time: 09:52am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: need correct email address From: Richard Webb Subject: need correct email address Greetings, everyone, I was given the following address for NFB research and development list, I believe. What I'm trying to accomplish here is to get a dialog started on access to a professional quality mastering system which is currently not accessible by us. WE have the system in our recording studio at the national center, so we'd be in a perfect position to work on this. I'll include complete text of the message I sent, which was bounced, as my isp couldn't find the address. If the address is incorrect, please forward this to the correct place, or pass along the info to me. Thanks To: nfb@digex.access.net From: elspider@interl.net Subject: access to sadie attention Richard Ring, Craig Gildner, Curtis Chong and other who may be interested: Greetings, everyone, I have been in communication with Harold Sneider on an archiving project he is working on, and understand from discussions with him that the digital audio editing package we use at the national center is not accessible by blind folks. As it's one of the popular apps for the audio mastering suite, I'd like to see this remedied. The other popular apps for audio mastering are mac based, and all are also inaccessible. As I plan to build a high quality mastering facility within a couple of years, I'd like to find something which I can use to provide this service to clients. The lack of such access has already cost me good employment opportunities in my chosen field. Other considerations, such as monitoring speakers and associated hardware are all known quantities, but I've yet to find accessible quality digital audio mastering tools. Such software packages as Sound Forge and Cooledit are only operable at 16 bit resolution, whereas a quality mastering facility needs to work at 20 or 24 bits. These other packages I mention are fine for basic editing on a semi-pro level, but are not what you find at quality mastering facilities. AS we have the product at our recording studio located at the national center, we're in a good position to help find means of access to this package. As I'm not presently on the R&D listserv, please carbon me with any further discussion on this topic, or supply me with proper information to subscribe to the list so I can follow future discussions. Regards, Richard Webb Electric Spider Productions Audio recording Po. Box 614 West Burlington, Ia. 52655 (319) 758-0427 Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEX00003Date: 10/27/97 From: ROBERT JAQUISS Time: 10:28am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: need correct email address From: Robert Jaquiss Subject: Re: need correct email address Hello Richard: I have just forwarded your letter to the Research and Development committee. I am a member of that committee. Robert Jaquiss robertj@teleport.COM Public Access User --- Not affiliated with Teleport Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-1016 (2400-14400, N81) --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEX00004Date: 10/27/97 From: RICHARD WEBB Time: 11:15am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: need correct email address From: Richard Webb Subject: Re: need correct email address Hello Robert, On 1997-10-27 robertj@teleport.com said to elspider@interl.net >I have just forwarded your letter to the Research and Development >committee. I am a member of that committee. Thanks much. Have you correct subscription info for that listserv? Thanks. Richard Webb Electric Spider Productions Library music, voice-overs, jingles, demos, music-on-hold. Instructional audio tapes. Amateur Radio: kb0ruu Are you tired of receiving unsolicited bulk email? Join the fight to stop spam! See http://www.cauce.org for details. Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEX00005Date: 10/27/97 From: SOJACOBSON@MMM.COM Time: 01:10pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: responsibilities of leadership From: sojacobson@mmm.com Subject: Re: responsibilities of leadership > . . . Now if I had known about > this possibility when we left Jackson I might have done things > differently, but by letting them have their way I figured that > maybe next time we had a long charter they might listen to those of > us who were knowledgeable and acting in their best interest. If I had been on that bus, I would have assumed that since you didn't act in my best interest then, how could I expect that you would next time. I would also resent a leader who would knowingly let me make an unwise choice so that I would know better next time. > As far as intrusting certain decisions to the national > leadership, that's what we elect them for. The convention can't > vote on every issue that comes up during the year and that's what > our leaders are there for. However, our constitution also says, > in effect, that the convention is supreme authority; it doesn't > say, "except when it doesn't suit the convenience of the national > leadership." We are also supposed to be an interactive consumer > organization. > > Also, unlike a lot of groups, we pay our way to > the conventions out of our own pockets. We deserve more than to > go and just say "I," to everything on the convention floor. > This reminds me of some people I knew who judged the quality of a convention by how much debate took place. In their minds, a convention wasn't worth much unless there was a good fight. If there were a few tears, that was even better. If somebody got mad and walked out, then it was really a good meeting. I've seen our state Democratic Farmer Labor party argue over clauses within planks of their platform until the early hourse of the morning, only to have that platform plank never mentioned by those running for office. I've seen such meetings in our affilliate here, and I've heard tapes of national conventions of the early sixties. Those were not the good old days, and nothing was gained by letting debate go on and on. There is a lot to be said for our tradition of debating an issue, voting on it then putting it behind us. Allowing the debate that surrounds resolutions to take place within the open meetings of the Resolutions Committee makes sense to me. Even so, I've seen plenty of resolutions debated over the years on the floor, so I really don't go along with your assertion that you only get to say "I." Furthermore, I would like to see us follow what I call the "debate and move on" tradition on this list as well. After a point, we are more likely to say something that accidentally offends someone than saying anything that is really new. We have elected some high quality leaders. It seems to me that giving them the benefit of the doubt, that is, assuming that they are acting in our best interest rather than giving us the shaft, is the sensible thing to do. Doing so is far different than unquestioningly following the leader as others have said. We need to let our leaders lead and make our judgements when it is time for elections. One can certainly ask for an explanation without assuming that something has been done wrong. It seems unreasonable to count mistakes before they happen. -- Steve Jacobson National Federation of the Blind 3M Company E-mail: SOJACOBSON@MMM.COM The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the 3M Company. --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045)