--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEH00004Date: 10/12/97 From: PATRICK GORMLEY Time: 09:10am \/To: AL SINCLATON (Read 0 times) Subj: I forgot something Al I'll be on the Silver Spring van. That will probably arrive earlier than the Baltimore vans. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEH00005Date: 10/12/97 From: KELLY PIERCE Time: 09:35am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: computer user network news From: Kelly Pierce Subject: computer user network news The following is the thirteenth newsletter of the computer Users Network in Chicago. The initiative is built on the principles of self-development, mutual aid, cooperative learning and peer mentoring. The newsletter is shared in this space in an effort for others to consider developing similar initiatives of blind people and those with disabilities as an alternative to vertical, "professionalize" models as well as models national in scale and resource intensive that serve merely as demonstration centers with outcomes never reaching the end user. For back issues and to learn more about us, check out our home page at http://www.city-net.com/vipace/friends/chicago. to join us online, subscribe to the visually Impaired computer User group List at listserve@malestrom.stjohns.edu. In the body of the message, simply type "subscribe vicug-l" without the quotations. kelly COMPUTER USERS NETWORK NEWS ADAPTIVE TECHNOLOGY FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY-IMPAIRED Published bimonthly by the Computer Network Blind Service Association 22 West Monroe Street Chicago, Illinois 60603 312-458-9006 Copyright: 1997 Vol. III, no. 3 May-June, 1997 Editor: Cindy Brown Project Coordinator: David Porter MISSION STATEMENT Our mission is to provide a vehicle for our consumers to share information with each other. This is accomplished by stimulating the pro-active involvement of our readers. CONTENTS MEMBERSHIP/SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION .................. 3 CHECK US OUT ......................................... 3 THE BIG WINNERS! ..................................... 3 THE BRAILLE LITE--A REVIEW by Dan TeVelde .................................. 3 TEAMWORK ............................................. 6 THE RIGHT STUFF: HOW TO CHOOSE ADAPTIVE TECHNOLOGY by Kelly Pierce ................................. 7 THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND ............................... 10 FYI .................................................. 10 TREASURES ............................................ 10 DATES TO REMEMBER! ................................... 11 MEMBERSHIP/SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION A subscription to this newsletter is a membership benefit in the Computer Network. The newsletter is available in standard print or audio cassette, recorded at 1 7/8 IPS. Many events in the Network are open to members and non-members alike, but there will be events planned for members only. Members also receive a diskette copy of the membership directory. In past months, membership has been defined loosely, but the membership role is being tightened up so that only paid members will be receiving member benefits in the future. To join the Computer Network for a year, make a minimum donation of fifteen dollars to BLind Service Association, giving your address and phone number, and designating which medium of the newsletter you prefer, print or cassette. We look forward to having you join us. -------- CHECK US OUT You can check us out on the web page made available to us through Vipace. You'll find current and back issues of this newsletter. That's at http://www.city- net.com/vipace/friends/chicago. For a recorded calendar of upcoming events, or to leave us a message, call 312-458- 9006. -------- THE BIG WINNERS! If you haven't heard--the results of the big raffle, held at BSA's annual meeting on June 14th, are in. Two hundred one tickets were sold, and the winners are: FIRST PRIZE $10,000.00--split between Seymour Litchenfeld and Irving Solotoff, both of Miami, Florida; SECOND PRIZE $1,500.00--split six ways among Lillian Cronin, Young-Jai Shin, Gwen Allen, Zorka Nedell, Maria Teresa Krneta, and Duska Kuhlmann, all of Chicago; THIRD PRIZE $500.00--Gertrude Kasakoff of Chicago. CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL! The net proceeds to our Computer Network are seven thousand three hundred fifty- nine dollars! Thanks BSA board of directors. This makes us all winners! -------- THE BRAILLE LITE--A REVIEW by Dan TeVelde This article describes the Braille Lite, a product produced by Blazie Engineering. I will explain what it is, and list some of its most useful features. The Braille Lite is a hand-held computer which has been designed as a notetaker. It weighs about two pounds, and runs on either current or batteries. It is slightly larger than the Braille n' Speak 640. (For the purposes of this article when I state Braille n' Speak I am referring only to the Braille n' Speak 640.) The main difference between the Braille n' Speak and Braille Lite is the additional 18-cell eight-dot Braille display, and an advance bar in front of the six-dot Braille keyboard. The external case looks similar to the Braille n' Speak, but is slightly larger. The Braille Lite contains the same serial and disk drive ports as the Braille n' Speak. IN addition, there is a standard computer parallel port on the left side of the case. The Braille Lite can display information by speech, refreshable Braille, or both. It is also possible to set the speech window to match the Braille display so that speech will confirm what a person is reading in Braille. The advance bar is used to scroll forward and backward in a file. Pushing down on the right end of the advance bar moves the text forward 18 characters; and pushing down on the left end of the advance bar moves the text backward 18 characters. The command structure for the Braille Lite is similar to the Braille n' Speak. Anyone familiar with the latter may immediately use the Braille Lite. In addition to the familiar chord commands and menus, there are additional chord commands for the advance bar. There are also additional status menu options to control Braille display parameters like displaying of control characters, word wrap, and cursor and keyboard tracking. The status menu even has an option to reverse the direction of the advance bar. there are also predefined start-up macros to turn the machine on with speech, Braille, or both. The user has the option to turn either speech or Braille off at any time with predefined macros. It is possible to continuously read through a file using speech or Braille. When a person reads a file using speech, the Braille display stays at the point in the file where the user started to read. If the user reads a file with the Braille display alone, the Braille display moves 18 characters at a time. It is possible to control the scrolling speed of the Braille display the same way as when reading with speech. Reading a file with the Braille display alone comes in handy when reading an existing file produced in Grade II Braille. The Braille Lite has the same features as the Braille n Speak such as calculator, clock, spell checker, smart calendar, et cetera. Although I don't use all of these features, it is nice to know that they are available. It will also run the same external programs as the Braille n' Speak does. Some of these programs include a Grade II Braille translator, a checkbook management program, and others. I have only tried the translator and find it useful, but a bit slow. The Braille Lite also works well with an external disk drive (available from Blazie Engineering) to transfer files to and from disk. One can also use the Braille Lite as an external speech synthesizer and Braille display for a computer. This requires an interface kit (available for $25 from Blazie Engineering). The Braille Lite is compatible with the same screenreaders as the Braille n' Speak. Blazie Engineering produces its own DOS screenreader, PCMaster, which I have not tried. It also produces a Windows screenreader, WindowsMaster, which I have tried with little success. Blazie is in the process of developing a driver for JAWS for Windows which I hope to evaluate. I purchased my Braille Lite in May 1994 soon after it came on the market. At that time there was a small booklet explaining the features unique to the Braille Lite. I was able to get started just with the Braille n' Speak manual. There have been many software updates since 1994. The user may update his/her own Braille Lite from the disk drive just like the other Blazie Engineering products. This is handy and keeps the product current. Most of the updates are also available for the Braille n' Speak and Type n' Speak. However, some features have been added just to the Braille Lite. In addition, there is now a manual specifically for the Braille Lite which is included in the purchase price. There have been several important recent changes included in the latest Blazie Engineering software update. Two features I would like to briefly mention here are the addition of a 2-megabyte super-flash memory card, and the addition of a folder mode for organizing files. The super-flash memory card may be used to store files to be read later. This memory card costs $199, and must be installed by Blazie Engineering. It is not possible to edit files in flash memory. This feature is handy for managing large files like e-text books, or e-mail. This memory card is still not completely stable. I find that sometimes a file in super-flash memory becomes corrupted and has to be re-loaded from its source. Although it is easy to copy files from conventional memory to super-flash and back, characters are sometimes added at the end when copying from super-flash to conventional memory. I have reported these problems to Blazie, and it is working on resolving them. Folder mode allows a user to create folders or sub-directories like a PC. This feature was intended for units with the super-flash memory card. I am not sure if this feature would work without this card. When the Braille Lite is updated with this memory card there are two default folders: one for conventional memory, and one for flash memory. Folder mode may be activated through an option in the status menu. In addition, there is a command to toggle folder mode on or off from the files menu. It is possible to have a file in more than one folder with the same name. Each Blazie product comes with two folders: RAM startup, and flash startup. I have created more folders to suit my purposes. This feature is nice, but I don't find it really that necessary. It can be a little confusing especially when folder mode is turned off and the unit displays just a file list. Blazie Engineering has a new disk drive for all of its products. I bought it and it is a vast improvement over the previous model. It works faster, and crashes less often. It also has a reliable low battery indicator. Hopefully, Blazie will write a manual for it. In conclusion I find the Braille Lite a very useful product. It is the piece of adaptive technology I turn to most often. It is handy to carry around and use for referencing anything. It is particularly nice to take notes just with the Braille display on, and not worry about getting out headphones. It's also great for reading electronic books, especially if they are in Grade II Braille. My only criticisms are the poor quality speech synthesizer, and the addition of so many commands. There have been so many software updates that it is not possible to keep up with them. Furthermore, I am not sure that the present manual is accurate for the latest update. Although the Braille Lite costs $3,395, it is well worth it. My unit has held up well, and I have not experienced any dot failures with the Braille display. For anyone who needs refreshable Braille access and cannot afford a 40-cell display, the Braille Lite may be a cheaper alternative. As far as I know, it is the only notetaker available here in the U.S. that provides refreshable Braille output. Blazie Engineering provides good technical support via e-mail or phone. If anyone in the Network wants a demonstration please contact me. (Dan TeVelde is a programmer, writing business applications software for McDonald's Corp. He is chairperson of the Network's Preview Crew. You can contact him through the Computer Network's voice-mail: 312-458-9006. In your message, please remember to indicate for whom you are calling, and leave your name and phone number.) -------- TEAMWORK The Computer Network is made up of teams. The word network, for most of us, connotes a system of interactive parts. Interaction among peers is meant to be the fuel that keeps this network alive. The teams are the parts of the Network which address specific tasks. Become involved by joining one of the teams described below. To express interest, leave your name, phone number, and the name of the person you wish to contact on our voice-mail line: 312-458-9006. Outreach. "You-all come!" is the motto of this team. Its job is to spread the word to youth and adults in the community-at-large about our activities--Jim Ferneborg, chairperson. Membership. Welcoming, orienting, and hooking in new members is this team's raison d'etre. We're looking to reorganize and revitalize this very important team.--Sandra Saunders, chairperson. Preview Crew. "What's new?" That's what these computer veterans are asking, as they are eager to beta-test new technology products.--Dan TeVelde, chairperson. Posse. "Let's not forget about the old stuff." Hands-on refurbishing of hand-me-down computers is the focus here. They meet to tinker. Phone for date of next meeting.--Dave McClain, chairperson. Lynx Squad. It seems the whole world is talking about the Internet, the World Wide Web, and e-mail. To join in, sign up with this team. Reasonable word processing and typing skills are helpful. Meetings are held the second Thursday evening of each month.-- Kelly Pierce, chairperson. Peer Training. "Each one teach one." Planning and executing monthly seminars for novices and the advanced is the focus of this team. Ideas for events as well as volunteers to help are welcome. Beginning Thursday, July 24th, a seminar for beginners will be scheduled the fourth Thursday evening of each month at 6:00.--Dave Porter, chairperson. All-Write! "All I know is what I read in the newsletter." We think this is a cop-out! We hope you will add what you know to the pages of future newsletters by contributing technology-related articles. Submit articles (on 3.5-in. diskette in ASCII or WordPerfect 5.1, --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEH00006Date: 10/12/97 From: KELLY PIERCE Time: 09:35am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: 02:computer user network news From: Kelly Pierce Subject: computer user network news or on cassette tape, or in Braille) to Cindy Brown at Blind Service Association. The deadline for the next issue is Wednesday, August 6, 1997 at noon. This is soon, but we know you can do it! The newsletter cannot come out on time unless you get your articles in. Then, on the evening of August 6th, we will have our first meeting of the re- constituted All-Write team. We hope you'll join us if you have ideas for the newsletter and/or talents to lend us. By the way, we're still looking for editors for FYI. We're happy to announce that Nate Branson has answered the call for editor of Personal Profiles. We will look forward to his contributions.--Cindy Brown, editor. -------- THE RIGHT STUFF: HOW TO CHOOSE ADAPTIVE TECHNOLOGY Part Two by Kelly Pierce In my last article, I explained why adaptive technology (AT) users need to be informed consumers. I suggested that end users consider the strengths of their support system and use a team to help in making a technology decision. I suggested, further, that it is best to find the simplest solution and to approach the technology issue in a general way. Blind persons and those with other disabilities should constantly ask questions about how the technology will work for them, no matter who pays the bill. They need to make sure it fits them. But, how is that done? By simply asking yourself, the team (described in the previous article), other users, and the equipment vendors questions and continuing to ask until there is a satisfactory answer. Here are some questions a consumer should ask to make sure a device will help accomplish the desired goals. Are there any limitations or risks? Users often see the benefit of AT, but don't bother looking at the other side. While the AT may help you do what you want to do, it may also limit other aspects of your life. For example, a user is considering purchasing an adapted laptop computer to write letters and reports, access the Internet, and translate material into formatted braille. He should also know that laptop computers are delicate, break down regularly, have a shorter life span, and cost much more than desktops. While it may improve productivity by permitting work to be done in transit or in many locations, the repair problems could cause added expense and lack of access. Does that mean a laptop is not a good product? Not at all, it just means that the user will need to measure the pluses and the minuses. Maybe he will want to have a good desktop computer before buying a laptop. Perhaps he might buy a Braille 'n Speak, which is lightweight, solid, and reliable. However, using a Braille 'n Speak requires being quite familiar with Braille. This does not make it a bad product, but, like most AT, has its limitations for some users. Is it comfortable to use? Have you ever worn a shirt a half-size too small? If you have, when it was time to wear it again, you probably thought twice about it. If there was another clean shirt in your closet, the small one would just sit there. The same applies to any AT you use. If it is not comfortable, you will eventually discard it. Better to speak up during the assessment process than wait until it's over and the device is in the closet, and you're no closer to your goal than before you started. May I have a trial period to see if it works for me? Let the buyer beware. Don't get caught in the trap of thinking you have to purchase the device outright before you know you can operate it. Insist on a trial period. Most reputable vendors will allow you to rent the device for a month or two and then apply the rental payments toward the purchase. Others have a 30-60 day return policy on the device if it does not work for you. And before deciding on any device and taking it home, spend some time with it--hands on. This means using the product yourself, not just observing someone else using it, for an extended period such as 90 minutes. Try doing the things you would likely do with the product, not just some highly refined test. For example, try writing and editing a business letter with a Screen reader. Then try using several other similar products in this way as a comparison. It's not uncommon for a person to be able to use a device in a computer lab, but not be able to adapt it to the real world. You may find that the speech and braille equipment may work flawlessly in a demonstration, but it can't be used on your job or with the other equipment that you purchased. Compatibility problems are common. It's not until you try it in the real world that you can be sure the device will work for you. Training considerations. Is it ready to use? Imagine this. A user receives his adaptive technology. The box is dropped off and the delivery person leaves. The user did not ask about setup procedures or support. He gets as far as opening the box, but he doesn't know how to set the device up. By asking this question ahead of time, a user can eliminate these problems once the device arrives. This scene is played out most often when consumers buy AT primarily on the basis of price. While saving money is important, consumers who put much of their energy into aggressively seeking a competitive price may not realize that setup, installation, basic training, and initial customer support are as important in getting the product to work for them as the benefits of the product itself. So, consider price as just one of many factors to think about. Also, inform yourself about the track record of the manufacturer and dealer. The cheapest price may have its tradeoffs. Consider these when confronting a slight difference in price. What skills do I need to learn? Let's suppose a blind student decides that a specific computer and software package are just what he needs to help him benefit from his educational program. However, he doesn't know how to touch type. He will need many skills before the device really helps. How does it work? The device you are trying out may seem simple enough to use, but it may have taken the evaluator three days to program it so that you could use it. Ask about setup, what you will need to know about it, what other functions it has, and how you can access them. What about training? Will the person who conducts the assessment also provide your training? Do you have a good rapport with him? Will the training come from the sales representative? Is there a 24-hour support line available should you need it? How long will that be available to you? Are training tapes included as part of the purchase price? If not, where could one get them? What do other end users think about their quality? Is the manual available on cassette or in braille? If not, how will you learn how to use some of the basic functions of the product? Some screen reader companies produce information on how to use their products only in print and on computer diskette. Disk manuals can be very helpful, providing in- depth information. However, blind end users have difficulty getting started with the product, when the product itself is required to read the disk or the printed material in order to learn to use it. Is training included in the purchase price? Wow! What a shock to learn you're responsible for training, when you assumed it was included in the price! Unfortunately, sometimes it's not. Also, decide who needs training. Certainly the user will need it, but what about others? Teachers, supervisors, computer department people, family members, co-workers, and roommates are just a few examples of others who may need to know the device as well as or better than the user. Access Considerations. Where can I use this adaptive technology? Think about what uses you have for a specific device. If you will use it in multiple settings, how well will it travel? Is there room for it in the different locations? If it's noisy, will it disturb others around you? Will it need to be reprogrammed to accommodate the different settings? If so, who will do that? An external speech synthesizer, offering greater mobility than an internal one, may present compatibility problems when it is used with certain kinds of hardware, such as scanners. You don't know things like this unless you ask. Is it bulky?or heavy? Imagine all the settings you will be using the device in and consider how portable it really needs to be. Can I use it indoors and out? Climate changes can affect how a device works. If you will be operating the device at an outdoor newsstand and it starts to rain you may need to be concerned about this issue. Ask! What is the battery life? Battery life is a HUGE issue when considering AT. If you don't stop to ask this question PRIOR to the purchase, you may have a non-functioning device when you need it. If the device requires recharging after every three hours of use, and you will use it twice that amount of time, you'll need to carry extra batteries. Batteries eventually wear out. Find out how soon you will need new ones. Can you plug it in, and is there a power source where you want to use it? You can often conserve battery life by "plugging in." So, think about the places you can hook your AT to an electric outlet. To conserve battery life, you may need to sit next to the wall outlet in the classroom. Finally, it's important to remember that often the best technology solution is a simple technology solution. Prior to purchasing any device, consider how additional training or environmental adaptations can meet your needs. In the next installment I will discuss consultation resources, guarantees and warranties, maintenance and repair, rental/lease plans, and economic considerations. Join me then. (Kelly Pierce is the Disability Specialist at the Cook County State's Attorney's Office. He assists witnesses and victims who have disabilities in navigating the criminal court system. He is also the coordinator of the Computer Network's Lynx Squad.) -------- THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND submitted by Anna Byrne Dedicated to the technologically challenged: 1. Computers are not intelligent--they only think they are ... 2. Windows: just another pane in the glass! 3. The definition of an upgrade: Take old bugs out, put new ones in. 4. My software never has bugs; it just develops ... random features. 5. I hit the control key, but I'm still not in control! -------- FYI The National Braille Press has just come out with the Braille edition of The Ten- Minute Guide to Windows 95 (3 volumes) $13.99. NBP's Al Gayzagian in the introduction, "We have added some extra value to the Braille edition by describing the screens as well as writing keyboard commands for most mouse commands. But not all. We give you enough information to help you figure out how to perform many of the actions yourself." Other technology-related NBP materials include, Windows from the Keyboard, WordPerfect 6.0 Reference Card, The AltaVista Search Revolution, 1997 Blind Community E-mail Directory, The Computer Braille Code Made Easy, Quick Start with Lynx, Braille Labels for Disks, etc. For further information, and/or to get on the mailing list, contact the National Braille Press Inc., 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, Ma 02115. (800) 548-7323 E-mail: orders@nbp.org www: http://www.nbp.org The following radio and TV shows may be of interest to our readers: Sundays--11:00 AM, "TV.com," ABC, channel 7 in Chicago; Sundays--3:30 PM, "Life on the Internet," Channel 20 in Chicago; Sundays--4:00 PM, "Computer Chronicles," Channel 20 in Chicago; Tuesdays--9:00 PM, "Real Computing," WDCB, 90.5-FM, Glen Ellyn; Fridays--8:30 PM, "Computer Chronicles," Channel 20, Chicago; Saturdays--2:00 PM, "CNN Computer Connection," CNN (Cable News Network). -------- TREASURES Planning on upgrading to a Pentium and wishing for a home for your 486? Got a Braille 'N' Speak classic you aren't using any more? an old synthesizer? an out-of- date, beginner-ready copy of a computer tutorial? List what you've got in the Treasures column, the Computer Network's home for wonderful things that their current owners have used and loved and don't need any more! Anna Byrne is your contact person. You can reach her by leaving your name and phone number on the BSA voice-mail line, and be sure to indicate you want to speak to Anna Byrne. That number is: 312-458-9006. FOR SALE: TYPE 'N SPEAK IN EXCELLENT CONDITION (1995 VERSION) WITH CASSETTE MANUAL; $1,000.00 or best offer. and Braille copy of JOB ACCESS WITH SPEECH, version 2 (1991 edition), 2 volumes; $10.00 or best price. For either item, contact Marc Marino, e-mail: london@ripco.com phone: (708) 730-1984. -------- DATES TO REMEMBER! All meetings take place at BSA's offices at 22 West Monroe in Chicago. Thurs., July 24, 1997, 6:00-8:00--Computers for Dummies (presentation or beginners); ninth floor. Thurs., July 31, 1997, 6:00-7:30--open house for new members; ninth floor. Sat., Aug. 2, 1997, 10:00-12:30--seminar: Don Davia (Department of Human Services) on his agency's responsibilities for adaptive technology, including how the laws have changed, student issues regarding technology, responsibilities for job accomodations and retention; ninth floor (all are urged to attend). Wed., Aug. 6, 1997, noon--deadline for newsletter articles! eleventh floor, c/o Cindy Brown. Wed., Aug. 6, 1997, 5:30-7:30--All-Write (newsletter) meeting; ninth floor; (for all who have ideas about and want to help out in any way with this newsletter). Wed., Aug. 13, 1997, 5:30-7:30--cognoscentae (governing board) meeting; ninth floor (all welcome). Thurs., Aug. 14, 1997, 6:00-8:00--Lynx squad meeting; ninth floor. Thurs., Aug. 28, 1997, 6:00-8:00--Computers for Dummies (presentation or beginners); ninth floor. Thurs., Sept. 4, 1997, 6:00-7:30--open house for new members; ninth floor. Sat., Sept. 6, 1997, 10:00-12:30--seminar: Henter Joyce presentation of Windows 95; ninth floor (all are urged to attend). Wed., Sept. 10, 1997, 5:30-7:30--cognoscentae (governing board) meeting; ninth floor (all welcome). Thurs., Sept. 11, 1997, 6:00-8:00--Lynx Squad meeting; ninth floor. --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEH00007Date: 10/12/97 From: KELLY PIERCE Time: 09:35am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: 03:computer user network news From: Kelly Pierce Subject: computer user network news Thurs., Sept. 25, 1997, 6:00-8:00--Computers for Dummies (presentation for beginners); ninth floor. Sat., Oct. 4, 1997, 10:00-12:30-- seminar: Exporting Documents; ninth floor. --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEH00008Date: 10/12/97 From: AL AND MASHA STEN-CLANTON Time: 01:25pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Resolution 97-04 Cont'd From: Al and Masha Sten-Clanton Subject: Re: Resolution 97-04 Cont'd The reason for teaching a particular philosophy ablut blindness is not that it's the philosophy of a particular organization, but because it tends to breed success in solving the problems of blindness and achieving personal goals. I'm sure that when these veterans were men and women in uniform, they were taught a definite philosophy of war--such as duty, the importance of teamwork, etc.--as part of their training--not because the armed forces are in the philosophy business, but because the whole point of their training is for the trainees to be successful in an armed conflict. So why would it not be logical to teach them a philosophy designed to produce similarly successful results in managing their blindness? Just a thought. Masha --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEH00009Date: 10/12/97 From: PATRICK GORMLEY Time: 07:01pm \/To: STEVE JACOBSON (Read 0 times) Subj: a little one is on the way Steve I read the article called Loving Elizabeth in Old Dogs and New Tricks. Like you and Nadine, Tina and I have been through 5 misscarriages. However, since Tina was last pregnant two years ago, she has had a stomach reduction operation and has lost weight from 318 pounds down to just over 170. We have a sonogram tomorrow at Georgetown's high risk pregnancy unit so we'll keep you posted. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEH00010Date: 10/12/97 From: HARVEY HEAGY Time: 11:50pm \/To: RICHARD WEBB (Read 0 times) Subj: libertarians, was acb postings that's exactly what is wrong with traditional rehab as it was created. the agencies don't even attempt to find a job for you until they have made enough money off you or any other client or seen to it that their psychologists and other persons with contracts with the agencies do. then when and if they ever do find employment for us they make certain it is not the kind that will foster independence. After all, if blind people had the same choices as their sighted counterparts and could tell these lighthouses and other places that pay subminimum wages where they could take their pitance of a job the agencies themselves would soon be out of business. they have a vested interest in keeping us dependent. that's why the Randolph-shepherd program was never fully developed into the full fledged business opportunity it was originally intended to be; because the agencies didn't want it. Also, here in Louisiana several years ago when a course in the Randolph-shepherd program and related matters was offered which was called, "upward Bound," and contained information about Randolph-shepherd and other food service related matters, our B.E.P. Director, Pat Bradshaw made certain that modjule 2 of the program which was called, "Your rights and Responsibilities under Randolph-shepherd," was not even offered. I wonder why that might be so? Harvey --- msged 2.07 * Origin: The Metairie Point -- New Orleans, LA (1:396/1.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEH00011Date: 10/12/97 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 02:03pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Resolution 97.04 From: David Andrews Subject: Re: Resolution 97.04 Another possibility for the randolph-Shephard program is to help people get into franchise opportunities, such as convenience stores like 7-11. DA David Andrews (dandrews@visi.com) or BBS: (telnet to nfbnet.org) or call (612) 696-1975 Net-Tamer V 1.10 Beta - Registered --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEH00012Date: 10/12/97 From: HHEAGY@DELPHI.COM Time: 01:57am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Jamal was voted in From: hheagy@delphi.com Subject: Re: Jamal was voted in I think this is interesting. If he was voted in on the same terms as anyone else with the national leadership right in the same state which makes it stand to reason that they knew about it, then I feel that this, in effect, is an admission that the national leadership as well as that of the Massachusetts affiliate made a mistake in expelling him and as such should issue an official apology to him in all federation media. This points up how the membership votes one way when the national leadership wants something and then does a complete turn-around when the national wishes to reverse itself. It seems to me that either he should be a part of this organization or he shouldn't. Personally, I am surprised that he would even want to come back after the way he was treated. Harvey Net-Tamer V 1.09 - Registered --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EEH00013Date: 10/13/97 From: ANDY BARACCO Time: 02:31am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Resolution 97-04 Cont'd From: Andy Baracco Subject: Re: Resolution 97-04 Cont'd Hi Lee. I would appreciate greatly if you would keep me posted on this matter. I do not doubt what you say, but I have already posted at length about why it would be unlikely that this would happen. However, I am often surprised by information that seems to come out of nowhere. Andy Baracco On 12 Oct 1997, Lee Kerr wrote: > > > Andy, I don't know how it came out, but here in Arizona, there wer talks between the Department of Economic Security and the V.A. about taking some non vets iin their training center. Like I said, I don't know what the results wer, but I do know and can say for sure that the talks took place. I will try to find out more about it and let you know. The reason the talks took place was because there is no residential center for the blind here in Arizona, and those of us who need good training have to go to Colorado, New Mexico or some other state with a residential center. I believe that the V.A. should be used fotr those that it was ment to serve. Savilians, that is non vets should go to other centers. > Hope this gives some insite into why the resolution may have been writen. > Lee > > --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045)