--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDV00011Date: 09/26/97 From: CHIEF@CROWN.NET Time: 05:18am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Gorton Amendment From: chief@crown.NET Subject: Re: Gorton Amendment One thing we all can think about whether we be of the NFB or the ACB is that we all do have at least one thing in common that can never separate us...blindness. For myself, I am thankful that Mr. Gashel and our national leadership know when to show restraint. I first learned of the Gorton amendment on September 11, and by the next day I had received word that the amendment was a mistake which would be remedied without difficulty. Had the NFB "cried wolf" in this instance, we would have lost valuable credibility which we need to conserve for those issues where our interests are genuinely threatened. By taking a calm and reasoned approach to the Gorton amendment, our leadership has demonstrated considerable political savvy. As for the notion that Mr. Gashel should have explained his strategy at the outset, this is neither practical or wise. To explain why actions were not taken opens up a potentially endless area of discourse. In addition, it is the Job of Mr. Gashel to chart our strategy. Once charted, nothing good can come from hand wringing and second guessing. As for the forwarding of ACB announcements to NFB lists, it seems to me to be presumptuous of anyone to assume that the NFB leadership does not have the issue well in hand. If I want to know what the ACB is doing in regard to a particular subject, I can read the Braille Forum or subscribe to an ACB listserv. The only possible exception I could imagine to this would be to forward an ACB statement to point out our differences with the ACB. Does this mean that we are not open to other perspectives and viewpoints? Of course not. This means that we are an NFB list. We would do good to keep this in mind. Greg Trapp --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDV00012Date: 09/26/97 From: LISA HALL Time: 10:49am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Change isn't bad From: Lisa Hall Subject: Re: Change isn't bad Hi everyone, I want to say that I went with Peter and Mary Donahue to Houston for the Free Enterprise Day function in early September. It was awesome and incredible to see so many positive people with positive attitude. I made the choice to build my business so that I will have a better life style and a better future for myself and any persons I may sponsor in the future. If you have a dream and are willing to change your attitude about life, you can do it. No more excuses!!!!!!!! I made the decision to stay up late to obtain information. The more you listen the more you learn about the people who had made it. They are willing to tell their story because it illustrates what you can do for yourself. This is a challenge for all of us who are blind to have self-esteem and feel good about oneself. We are the people business not the product business. I am looking forward to trying our cdrom catalog as soon as we get it. We will keep you posted as to whether it will work with speech under Windows. Don't let anyone steal your dream. We will see you on the beaches of the world. Let's do it. No more excuses...... lisa hall lisahall@texas.net San Antonio, Texas --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDV00013Date: 09/26/97 From: LISA HALL Time: 12:08pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: help with scandisk. From: Lisa Hall Subject: help with scandisk. I have been using DOS 6.22 with Windows 3.1 since January 1997. I had a situation that happened last week when I went to download messages with Eudora Lite. It tried to download messages but it landed me back in DOS. I reran the program, called my ISP, and commanded Eudora to get mail. It locked up my system. I did a warm boot and everything is ok. However, when I ran scandisk there were some bad clusters on the hard drive. Should I continue to run this program to its fullest? So far I had somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 bad clusters. Should I have a technician take a look at this. I have never done a total backup before. Does anyone have any suggestions? Please help me as soon as possible since I am trying to get my machine ready for the Internet Odyssey show for October 12-13, 1997. I look forward to your response on this matter. Thanks in advance. lisa hall lisahall@texas.net San Antonio, Texas --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDV00014Date: 09/26/97 From: PETE DONAHUE Time: 02:38pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd) From: Pete Donahue Subject: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd) Hello Harvey and listers, AS long as you areusing a shell account and your E-mail messages are being stored in a remote computer no problem, but when working in Windows in a pPP Connection all files you view, E-mail, and even World Wide WEb pages are brought down and stored on your hard drive. and for some people disk space is at a premium. Hence we don't need un necessary messages clutttering up the hard drive. BEyond that I can't add any more than what has all ready been said. Peter Donahue --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDV00015Date: 09/26/97 From: LEE KERR Time: 04:26pm \/To: JANNA MOYNIHAN (Read 0 times) Subj: GLAD TO SEE YOU Hi Janna, Lost your phone # but found you in the list of users of the bbs so decided to contact you this way. Hope all is going well with you and yours. All is going fairly well here, I can say that in view of the way things might have been. I am trying to get a business off the ground and work for a living at the same time. Things are going pretti well with botth. The name of the company I run is COMPUTER ACCESS TRAINING and what I do is train blind guys to operate computer equipment and get them placed in jobs. I have 4 placed in the last year. This is only a part time thing but I have had only one disapointmentk, but that client is working at another job that I didn't have anything to do with setting up. the other job is working with a company placing parts orders for technicians. Hope to hear from you guys soon. my internet address is k7muf@primenet.com If you have access to the internet give me a shout or post here. Best wishes for you and yours Lee --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDW00000Date: 09/26/97 From: AL AND MASHA STEN-CLANTON Time: 09:01pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd) From: Al and Masha Sten-Clanton Subject: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd) On 26 Sep 1997, Harvey Heagy wrote: > > > there is a very simple solution to this whole problem; whoever doesn't want to read those posts or any other messages doesn't have to read them. They can just skip them, delete them or twit them if their software permits. In this era of the internet, no one is going to be able to stop anyone from posting anything that is within the law to post. So let people decide what they want to read or not read. > Harvey > > Harvey, I agree. I add, though, that it might make more political sense for folks to tell us where those ACB posts come from. Then, anybody who wants to can check them out when they feel like it, and we can rid ourselves of this useless squabble about whether they should be here. Having said tha, I'm still glad to have seen the last one, which contained some info about a Levi-Straus commercial that maybe should get guide users out on the battlefield. Al --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDW00001Date: 09/26/97 From: HHEAGY@DELPHI.COM Time: 03:56pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Levi Straus Ad From: hheagy@delphi.com Subject: Levi Straus Ad There is a national ad running for Levi Straus which features someone buying a hot dog and then feeding it to a person's dog guide while the owner seems oblivious to it. This clearly represents a danger to both dog and person. Are we doing anything to see that the ad is pulled? Harvey Net-Tamer V 1.10 Beta - Registered --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDW00002Date: 09/26/97 From: HHEAGY@DELPHI.COM Time: 05:30pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd) From: hheagy@delphi.com Subject: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd) there is something to be said about our resources being used to get A.C.B. messages out, but any such resources would be negligible. In fact, they would probably be no more and possibly less than my having to plow through spam e-mail which counts against my time which I have paid for. But I submit that those resources are a lot less than we have spent on this Mr. Magoo foolishness which is making us look incredibly stupid As a matter of fact, along that line, I heard from a friend of mine who attended a state leadership seminar in which Marc Maurer participated. He brought with him a letter criticizing the Magoo matter as well as his response and according to the report I heard, his written response to the person was something to the effect that he had to defend the convention's decision whether or not he personally agreed with it since the convention passed the resolution. I think everyone on this list knows that if this is true, his response is a cop-out. The national leadership sets the direction in which the organization goes and in fact instituted this resolution. If they didn't like it they could have killed it by speaking against it. I think maybe our leadership has seen that the general public is not with us on this one and they would like to back out of it but can't find a way to do it other than the obvious one, admitting they made a mistake. Regarding the Levi Straus ad which represents at best a misrepresentation and at worst a clear danger to dog guide users, this is something both organizations could work on together in much the same way we have formed a committee with R.S.V.A. and Sagebrush to help preserve the Randolph-shepherd program. Harvey Net-Tamer V 1.10 Beta - Registered --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDX00000Date: 09/27/97 From: AL AND MASHA STEN-CLANTON Time: 10:30am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd) From: Al and Masha Sten-Clanton Subject: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd) Whatever one might say about using up resources on messages from ACB, there should by now be no doubt that we've used up more of them by far in discussing and sometimes squabbling about those messages. But, then, the ACB messages were pretty much on topic, and our discussions were useful for sharing different views on limiting messages here and on the roles of leaders and members in this outfit. That's worth something. I think there's no reason to make a formally joint effort between NFB and ACB to get the Levi-Straus commercial gone from our lives, but we certainly can and should work in parallel: it's just simpler and quicker that way. (Maybe that's what you were thinking, anyway.) That ad well may pose more direct danger to blind folks, at least those who use guide dogs, than will the mass-ditribution of Mr. Maggo's bumbles and blunders. As for poor old caneless Quincy Magoo, I think the foolish is in making the movie, not in our responses to it. No, I don't think this unwanted Christmas present will do irreparable harm: I thbelieve we've come too far for that. Yes, I'm well aware of how abysmal life can be when we are drowned by a tidalwave of political correctness. But I have little doubt that the great majority of those who castigate us for attacking their beloved cartoon character would feel very much as we do about this if the character were a stereotype of their race, religion, ethnicity, or gender. It might be well if all the world decided not to take offense at comic or cartoon stereotypes, but to let all these distorted images do battle with each other while we lived our lives treating peope the way we want to be treated. If other groups are regarded as entitled to feeling insulted at stereotypes, however, nobody has any business trying to require that we blind folks be different. I was also glad that Magoo business was a lot more prominent than what I perceive as our misguided approach to reforming the SSDI program. Seems to me that the notion that blind people are so special we need a full SSDI check while earning up to thirty grand makes us look sorrier than either Mr. Magoo or that abysmal Levi-Straus commercial. At least the Magoo movie protest, like the airline battle of a few years ago, put our core guiding philosophy out front. I'm sorry if the public isn't with us (I don't know whether it is or not.), but I guess the only thing we can do is try to find a better way to persuade it. If we did make a mistake, of course, we should just say so straight-out, but I have no reason to think we did. I presume Marc agreed with the Magoo resolution. His letter to the head of the Dizney corporation was well-written and forthright. Of course, I don't know whether his letter to the critic, saying that he had to carry out even policies he disgreed with, meant he now believes it was a mistake or was setting forth a presidential duty. I do suspect that he'd have landed in a mighty hot bathtub if he'd stood against the Magoo resolution, though he probably could have killed it. Well, I have other thoughts, but this is long enough. Take care! Al --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDX00001Date: 09/27/97 From: JIM GASHEL Time: 07:45am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd) From: Jim Gashel Subject: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd) hello harvey: We are talking about forebearance. in the same way that anyone who wants to skip the acb messages can do so, the person who chooses to post those messages here could just as well choose not to do so. My point has been that the messages have been posted here for political reasons. the nfb has no obligation to use its resources for someone who has a political ax to grind against our movement. On 26 Sep 1997, Harvey Heagy wrote: > > > there is a very simple solution to this whole problem; whoever doesn't want to read those posts or any other messages doesn't have to read them. They can just skip them, delete them or twit them if their software permits. In this era of the internet, no one is going to be able to stop anyone from posting anything that is within the law to post. So let people decide what they want to read or not read. > Harvey > > --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045)