--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDP00002Date: 09/19/97 From: "RENEE M. ZELICKSON HTTP://FLY.HIWA Time: 01:40pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Reply to Karl Smith - no flames here From: "Renee M. Zelickson http://fly.hiwaay.net/~reneez" Subject: Reply to Karl Smith - no flames here I see that you do have some very valid points especially about cutting out the fluff and the combining of the roll call of states with the pledges at the same time. This alone, would save time. Ren At 12:11 PM 9/19/97 -0600, you wrote: > > >Hi folks, > >I guess I'll put my two bits in here. I'll probably wish I hadn't but, oh >well. > >Some suggestions for tightening up convention sessions. > >1. Combine the roll call of states so we don't have to suffer through this >rather lengthy exercize on tuesday when we first start and on Friday when >we are making pledges. > >2. Cut some of the fluff out of the agenda. I. E. a couple of years ago we >had some guy who went on and on about his cars and all the money he had. >And then there was the lady with the marshal arts school to help the poor >disabled population. give us all a break. > >3. I've never quite understood why if resolutions are "policy statements of >the NFB" and vital guidelines for the future direction of the organization, >we push most of them off until Friday afternoon and then rip through them >in a frenzy at the end. I've attended twenty consecutive conventions and >it seems to me that we didn't always do this. > >4. Although it always seems to be a joke, we do seem to give much less >attention to our own Jim Gashel than some of the bags of air politicians we >must listen to. Now having said this I understand that it is important to >let them see us in our numbers and that even air bags sometimes head up >important commettes. > >5. And why did we have to sit through Lary King? > >I'm sure there will be some people who disagree with me and there is the >problem. We all have our idea as to what's important. A number of years >ago someone complained about the reception line at which you could go and >meet all the national board members. Dr. Jernigan read a letter in a >meeting I attended once from a man expressing his appreciation for the >reception line and what a pleasure it was meeting all the leaders he had >heard so much about. > >I suggested once that we cut the recipees from the Monitor to save space >and money. Again Dr. Jernigan brought forth letters expressing >appreciation and support for the recipees. So it is a difficult balance. > >I've got the fire extinguisher out so go for it. (grin) > > >Karl Smith >CSA Adaptive Products and Services >4304 South El Camino St. >Taylorsville, Utah 84119 > >Phone 801-967-5655 >Toll Free 800-335-4995 >Fax 801-969-4357 >E-mail KSMITH@UTAH-INTER.NET > > "Never confuse an open mind with an empty head." > > > > Rene M. Zelickson reneez@hiwaay.net --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDP00003Date: 09/19/97 From: PETE DONAHUE Time: 04:47pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Reply to Karl Smith - no flames here16:47:2809/19/97 From: Pete Donahue Subject: Re: Reply to Karl Smith - no flames here Hello Renee and listers, I have been advocating that idea for years. Perhaps one of these years it will finally be done. Peter Donahue --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDP00004Date: 09/19/97 From: WALT CONE Time: 09:38am \/To: RICHARD WEBB (Read 0 times) Subj: None Hi Richard, how are you 18-Sep-97 08:55:06, Richard Webb wrote to All Subject: None RW> I see you forwarding a lot of things from ACb to the NFB listserv. RW> We're not the acb, and I really have no interest what soever what RW> the ACB leadership says. Any positions I take before my congress RW> critters on this issue wil be guided by what Mr. Gashel has to RW> say, not what ACB says. I agree with you Richard. I wonder how there listserv group would like it if I forwarded all of the blindtlk and nfb-talk messages over to there group (grin). I don't think they would take it vary well. I don't have a problem reading other openions, but there is a time and a place for everything. Take care, Yours sincerely Walt Cone Fidonet : 1:138/317.1 Internet : cones@aa.net .!. (A)bort (F)ail (T)oss computer across room ___ T-TAG 1.10 [*Registered* by :Walt: :Cone:] --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: Point of no returns (tacoma Wa.) (1:138/317.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDP00005Date: 09/19/97 From: AL AND MASHA STEN-CLANTON Time: 08:07pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Reply to Richard Webb: Change isn't 20:07:1809/19/97 From: Al and Masha Sten-Clanton Subject: Re: Reply to Richard Webb: Change isn't Bad I think you have a great idea about combining the roll call of state affiliates with the tenBroek and White Cane pledges. Yes, I think we could get rid of some fluff. I've already noted my view that resolutions are given too little attention--or at least, it seemed that way at conventions I attended. Yes, it also seemed to me that we never gave Jim Gashel's report the time it deserved, and the annual joke about it wasn't funny. As for the Monitor recipes, my wife and I are glad to have them, though few of them will ever come to life in our kitchen. Take care! Al --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDP00006Date: 09/19/97 From: AL AND MASHA STEN-CLANTON Time: 08:15pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: None From: Al and Masha Sten-Clanton Subject: Re: None Greetings! Does ACB have a listserv, or do some of its groups? If so, I wouldn't be surprised if they get our counterparts to the kind of action calls that we've received from them. Fine with me if they do. (What we really should export is some solid NFB philosophy, though I think some folks have bans on importing it. Grin!) I guess it's fine to get their stuff here as long as it's on topic, which the messages I saw recently were. I'd worry if we ended up with more ACB messages then NFB ones, but I guess that would be our problem, not ACB's. I also doubt it will happen. Take care! Al --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDP00007Date: 09/19/97 From: ANDY BARACCO Time: 10:34pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: None From: Andy Baracco Subject: Re: None Hi Walt. I felt that this matter was on sufficient gravity that information, no matter where it came from, would be appreciated. I guess you care more about hating the ACB than you do about special education, the American Printing House for the Blind, the Helen Keller National Center, and vocational rehabilitation. Maybe you don't need or use the services of these agencies, but that doesn't mean that others, even Federationists, may not need or use them. As for ACB, I don't think they have a listserv, but if they did, I don't think they would mind receiving valuable information just because it came from NFB. Andy Baracco --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDP00008Date: 09/19/97 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 01:50pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Increased NLS Appropriation From: David Andrews Subject: Increased NLS Appropriation Subject: legislative information notice LEGISLATIVE INFORMATION NOTICE FROM: James Gashel DATE: September 18, 1997 This notice provides final information on the amount of funding for the Library of Congress, National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped program for fiscal year 1998. The conferees on the legislative branch appropriations bill met on Wednesday, September 17, and reported out an agreement. the conference report, which is expected to become law, provides an appropriation of $46561 million for the Books for the Blind program begining October 1, 1997 through September 30, 1998. the comparable amount for the current fiscal year has been $44,963 million. Therefore, the conferees have agreed to provide an increase of almost $1.6 million for our library services. This is by far the largest increase in this program's budget in many years. It is not, of course, the total amount sought, but the increase will make a difference, nonetheless. Congratulations to all who worked on achieving this outcome!! David Andrews (dandrews@visi.com) or BBS: (telnet to nfbnet.org) or call (612) 696-1975 Net-Tamer V 1.10 Beta - Registered --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDQ00000Date: 09/20/97 From: CHIEF@CROWN.NET Time: 05:08am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: 20/20 program about blind girl From: chief@crown.NET Subject: 20/20 program about blind girl Hi Listers, Did anyone catch the program last night about Cara Dunne who is 27 years old and had eye cancer when she was little and had both eyes removed and went on to become a blind skier and also a blind tandom bike rider in the summer olympics and also graduated from harvard with a degree in law? That is a positive story the media has shown about what blind people CAN do. Deb at chief@crown.net --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDQ00001Date: 09/20/97 From: RICHARD WEBB Time: 11:12am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Change isn't bad From: Richard Webb Subject: Change isn't bad Karl Smith wrote: >I guess I'll put my two bits in here. I'll probably wish I hadn't >but, oh well. >Some suggestions for tightening up convention sessions. It's only words on your screen, so you don't need a big layer of asbestos to keep the flames away . >1. Combine the roll call of states so we don't have to suffer >through this rather lengthy exercize on tuesday when we first start >and on Friday when we are making pledges. I can buy into this. It's nice to know the x state has y members of their delegation, etc. But, with the increasing activity of our national conventions, the time could be better spent. For the pledges, this can be easily published in the monitor. >2. Cut some of the fluff out of the agenda. I. E. a couple of >years ago we had some guy who went on and on about his cars and all >the money he had. And then there was the lady with the marshal arts >school to help the poor disabled population. give us all a break. Fitting maybe for a monitor article, and an anouncement that the lady with the Martial arts school will do a talk after hours some evening, if folks are interested, so I can see this too. Others will probably say we need some lighter notes and human interest stuff throughout the convention, but I'm with you a hundred percent on that one. >3. I've never quite understood why if resolutions are "policy >statements of the NFB" and vital guidelines for the future >direction of the organization, we push most of them off until >Friday afternoon and then rip through them in a frenzy at the end. >I've attended twenty consecutive conventions and it seems to me >that we didn't always do this. In 1975, I think we considered resolutions throughout the week. I haven't attended 20 consecutive, but I've made a few over the years. IF one really has a desire to discuss a resolution, I guess folks figure the resolutions committee is the place, but, it's the committee, and the membership as a whole needs to deliberate thoroughly on some of these. >4. Although it always seems to be a joke, we do seem to give much >less attention to our own Jim Gashel than some of the bags of air >politicians we must listen to. Now having said this I understand >that it is important to let them see us in our numbers and that >even air bags sometimes head up important commettes. It's nice to be nice to the politicos, but I'd say if they can't say the usual "I'm with you, call on me anytime" and other plattitudes in five minutes, they can't say it. Give the political animal five minutes, then get him off the podium and let's get down to business . Politicians will talk and ramble as long as you let them. >5. And why did we have to sit through Lary King? Larry has been considered a friend for many years, but there again, give 'em five to ten minutes, if they can't say it in that length of time, we've got important things, such as resolutions and presentations by folks of real importance to us, such as Mr. Cylke, the people from Rehab and SSA, others. You're quite right, what's one man's meat is another's poison, so it's a tough balance, but there's still fluff we could cut and get down to the real meat. Regards, Richard Webb Electric Spider Productions Library music, voice-overs, jingles, demos, music-on-hold. Instructional audio tapes. Amateur Radio: kb0ruu Are you tired of receiving unsolicited bulk email? Join the fight to stop spam! See http://www.cauce.org for details. I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car. Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EDR00000Date: 09/20/97 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 09:24am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: no hatchet, just confusion From: David Andrews Subject: Re: no hatchet, just confusion There actually was some divergence of opinion in the blindness field over the aproach to take. The Council of State Agencies for Vocational Rehabilitation primarily worked in the Senate, trying to get an amendment nulifying the Gorton amendment. The consumer organizations tended to work on the House side, making sure it wouldn't get in there, then they would presumably switch to the Conference Committee blocking it there. There isn't one right way, and there were a number of fronts we could, and did work on. It appears that we will beat this one, although it is a stupid thing that never should have had to come up. We had to spend time and political currency on it, not useful things. David Andrews On 1997-09-19 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said: DS>On 1997-09-18 DOn Steelman said DS>>I support anyone who supports me. My dear friend, this is not an DS>>issue for the kind of blind/org partizanship you evince. Can't all DS>>of us work together when our very lives are at stake? I would hope DS>>that in a dispute such as this NFB and ACB could burry the hatchet DS>>somewhere other than in their opponents. DS>As I said, no hatchet, just some confusion. First message I see DS>yesterday says just a typo, nothing to worry about, they've got it DS>straightened out now. DS>Then within a span of the next twelve hours, I see three other DS>messages, all three showing they came from ACb leadership. When I DS>read Mr. Gashel's original alert, I did my bit and Emailed my DS>senators. DS>My main point of curiosity was the silence on the part of our DS>national leadership barring the first alert around 48 hours ago (at DS>least that's when it hit my mailbox.) DS>When I hear something out of our national leadership, I'll govern DS>myself accordingly, and am sure others are doing likewise. That's DS>only point I"m raising here. DS>If the mention of the Playboy brouhaha bothers you, or you're not DS>familiar with the reference I'm making, ask somebody who was around DS>the movement in the early '80's if your involvement doesn't go back DS>that far. DS>TO sum up, though, the congress cut funding for Playboy magazine in DS>alternative formats through NLS. ACb filed suit. Meanwhile, NFb DS>was working behind the scenes to restore funding without resorting DS>to the courts. May not have been a good analogy to use in this DS>situation, but often times it's relevant. DS>Not that we're actually working at cross-purposes here, DOn, but it DS>could well be the reason we're not hearing from NFB leadership DS>anymore on this issue is the appropriate folks are busily DS>communicating with lawmakers and getting things done. NOt that DS>communication from citizens hurts, but if our leadership finds the DS>situation is well in hand, I've no need to do further on it. If it DS>isn't, well then, time to let my representative know where I stand DS>on the issue. As I said, already have my senators. DS>Now, for the lady who's crying about her seven year old son seeing DS>my message, there was nothing in there a seven year old should not DS>see. If she's got a problem with me she can take it up with my DS>service provider. Otherwise, she can stick to the issue instead of DS>rambling disjointedly. What her seven year old sees has nothing to DS>do with the conversation. If she wants privacy what's her problem. DS>This is a listserv! If she doesn't understand what this is, DS>especially if she's so net literate as she claims, maybe she'd DS>better sit down in school with her seven year old, maybe she'll DS>learn something. Regards, David Andrews (dandrews@visi.com) or BBS: (telnet to nfbnet.org) or call (612) 696-1975 Net-Tamer V 1.10 Beta - Registered --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045)