------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: ECL00006Date: 08/17/97 From: JENNIE MILBURN Time: 03:55pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: dog stuff for sale From: Jennie milburn Subject: Re: dog stuff for sale I am interested in the harness. Could you e-mail me at: jenmilb@primenet.com I want to ask a question. Thanks! Jennie and the Aspen express! ! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- jenmilb __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ jenmilb@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: ECL00007Date: 08/17/97 From: HARVEY HEAGY Time: 05:25pm \/To: BRIAN LINGARD (Read 0 times) Subj: dog stuff for sale In a message Brian Lingard typed to Harvey Heagy BL> When I put the stuff up for sale I figured only a dog guide user BL> would want the guide dog unique stuff so it shouldn't be a BL> problem. BL> If the stuff actually belonged to the school I guess they could BL> ask for it back but since I paid for it guess I can pretty much BL> do what I want with it. Well, that's a matter of opinion. No one pays full price for the harness; the price is subsidized by Seeing Eye so the $30.00 or so that you paid does not cover the full price, and if you got it from Seeing Eye it does have the school's name on it. Also, there is some chance of someone misrepresenting their dog as a Seeing Eye graduate when they may not even be a dog guide at all. If someone should happen to get hold of the equipment they could engage in fraud by doing so. Finally, Seeing Eye and most other schools that I know of use the older equipment to help train new dogs and get them used to the feel of the harness, collar and leash. I guess legally they can't make you give them back, but in view of how much Seeing Eye gives us I don't think it is too much to ask to give it back when we are through with it. We don't pay anywhere near the full price for these dogs let alone the transportation, our food and such while we are there and I think out of love for Seeing Eye and to prevent even the slightest chance of misrepresentation we should return the equipment Harvey --- msged 2.07 * Origin: The Metairie Point -- New Orleans, LA (1:396/1.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: ECM00000Date: 08/17/97 From: PETE DONAHUE Time: 10:53pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: This is weird. From: Pete Donahue Subject: Re: This is weird. Hello jenny, I am sending this thought to the list as I am sure that others have also felt the same way. You will find that many posts to nfb-talk also appear on blind-talk as well. This is because they have relavence in both forums. For example information about legislative actions would more than likely appear on all NfFB-operated lists as they are of critical importance to our lives, and to the Federation as an organization. The poster wants to broadcast this information to the widest possible audience. However, there are posts that appear on both lists that are only appropriate in one forum only. For example, discussions about NFB Phillosophy should be confined to nfb-talk, and likewise discussions about computer software, guide dogs, and other topics of general interest should only be discussed on blind-talk, but this may also depend on the nature of the subject under discussion. All of this is to say that you would be better off to just stay on both lists for the time being. This will help you get a better idea of what topics are appropriate for which list, and which ones aren't. However, if your inbox bulges at the seams, or if for some reason you are just notinterested in staying on all of outr lists you are free to unsubscribe from one or more of these lists. It is my understanding that more of these lists will come on-line during the year. If you have any questions about the lists send a message to David Andrews, Sysop for NFBNet. Hope this will give you a better understanding of what is going on here. Take care and have a good week. peter Donahue --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: ECP00000Date: 08/20/97 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 01:54am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Conflict of Interest From: David Andrews Subject: Re: Conflict of Interest If we are such a terrible organization, one is tempted to ask why you would repeatedly attend conventions. I must disagree with you that it is "physically impossible" to nominate people from the floor. I have belonged to the NFB since 1978, and have attended state conventions in at least 8 states, plus 14 national conventions, and I have seen many people nominated from the floor. Like most organizations, incumbents are generally, but not always, elected. This is true in local, and congressional, and Presidential elections, and in other organizations I belong to. The NFB isn't a perfect organization, and while I might do some things differently, I, and many other people seem to feel and agree that it is the best thing around. David andrews On 1997-08-15 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said: AB>Cc: richard_fox@VNET.IBM.COM AB>I have attended two national NFB conventions, and several NFB of AB>California conventions, and have never seen anything that resembles AB>an open election, unless you consider elections in the old Soviet AB>Union to be open. It would be physically impossible to nominate AB>anyone from the floor, and the incumbants are already lined up at AB>the podium before the election even starts. AB>Andy Baracco David Andrews (dandrews@visi.com) or BBS: (telnet to nfbnet.org) or call (612) 696-1975 Net-Tamer V 1.09 - Registered --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: ECP00001Date: 08/20/97 From: JAMAL MAZRUI Time: 01:54am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Magoo debate on National Public Radio (F01:54:4008/20/97 From: Jamal Mazrui <74444.1076@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Magoo debate on National Public Radio (Forward From dandrews@visi.com) Below is a transcript of a National Public Radio story on the Magoo controversy, followed by the related listener comments that aired a week later. I have left the typographical errors intact. ---------- Content and programming copyright (c) 1997 National Public Radio, Inc. All rights reserved. Transcribed by Federal Document Clearing House, Inc. under license from National Public Radio, Inc. Formatting copyright (c) 1997 Federal Document Clearing House, Inc. All rights reserved. NPR SHOW: MORNING EDITION (NPR 10:00 am ET) AUGUST 6, 1997, WEDNESDAY Transcript # 97080617-210 HEADLINE: Boo to Magoo HIGHLIGHT: Alex Van Oss reports on the controversy surrounding the Wal Disney movie based on the Mr. Magoo cartoon character. The National Federation for the Blind is protesting the film because it says that the near-sighted Mr. Magoo is insulting to people with impaired vision. ALEX CHADWICK, HOST: In Hollywood, the Walt Disney Studio is a leader in turning old television sitcoms and cartoons into films. It's got "George of the Jungle" out now. Disney has another cartoon-based film slated for release later this year, a live action motion picture starring actor Leslie Nielsen, based on the old cartoon character Mr. Magoo. He's the extremely nearsighted little man who won't put on his glasses and gets into trouble from time to time. Now, one group is saying enough is enough. The National Federation of the Blind, which has more than 50,000 members, says "Mr. Magoo" is derogatory. Alex Van Oss reports. ALEX VAN OSS, REPORTER: Mr. Magoo was never much to look at: a tiny figure with a round face, round ears, round nose, all bunched up in a perpetual squint. But for many, Magoo was comic and certainly resilient as he fumbled and stumbled his way through one misadventure after another. Mr. Magoo was a temperamental sort of fellow, and also vain. He refused to wear his glasses and hence made all kinds of mistakes. Here, for example, he mistakes a dog for a human baby. (BEGIN AUDIO CLIP OF "MR. MAGOO") SOUND OF DOG WHIMPERING JIM BACKUS (PH), ACTOR, "MR. MAGOO": Homer, Homer, come back and get your sleepers on. Now, now, Homer, bedtime is bedtime. Nightie- night. (END AUDIO CLIP) ANN MARIE COOK (PH), RECORDING FOR THE BLIND AND DYSLEXIC: I don't know a single person who's ever talked to a coat rack or a chair and thought it was a real human being. I don't know anyone who's taken a record player record and washed it in a dish pan because they thought it was a dinner plate. VAN OSS: Ann Marie Cook is with the national organization Recording for the Blind and Dyslexic. COOK: When I was a kid I didn't know anyone who was blind or visually impaired. I always wore glasses. But I never viewed him in any other way than a child might view a cartoon character, as entertainment. And as my own life has progressed and I have lost vision and become a visually impaired person, "Mr. Magoo" is not funny. (BEGIN AUDIO CLIP) "MR. MAGOO" SINGING: Dear Mother Magoo, My mom, sweet and true. (END AUDIO CLIP) VAN OSS: "Mr. Magoo" first appeared in 1949, a product of the UPA Pictures Company, which departed from the Disney style of animation and pioneered a new cartoon look: simpler, flatter drawings and characters, and pastel tones instead of bright colors. Henry Sapperstein (ph) is chairman of UPA Pictures, and he likes "Mr. Magoo." HENRY SAPPERSTEIN, CHAIRMAN, UPA PICTURES: Every "Magoo" film ends with Magoo saying, "By George, Magoo, you've done it again," because Magoo is heroic, courageous, dignified, and always ends up a winner, despite all the catastrophe that reigns around him. So, he finishes everything off with his happiness that he did it again. And I think that's a good, uplifting message for everybody. You don't let a handicap in any way hold you back. VAN OSS: Sapperstein says that Magoo started out a rather nasty and sarcastic character like W.C. Fields, but then he won a couple of Academy Awards and was toned down and made better humored for the sake of younger viewers. Magoo appeared in more than 200 films. Over the decades, says Henry Sapperstein, "Mr. Magoo" gained a lot of credibility with the public, and also a lot of marketing potential. SAPPERSTEIN: Big companies used him as their spokesman very successfully: General Electric, RCA, Proctor & Gamble. The U.S. Navy wanted to use Magoo for recruiting purposes. And then the U.S. Treasury had him selling bonds because people listened to what Magoo had to say, he had credibility. VAN OSS: Viewers might have enjoyed and believed in the Magoo character. Nevertheless, the cartoon also had an unfortunate effect, says Mark Mauer (ph) of the National Federation of the Blind. MARK MAUER, NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND: Many times blind people were spit upon and kicked and otherwise sometimes struck and called either old "Mr. Magoo" or four eyes or something like that. VAN OSS: In July, the nation's largest organization of blind people in the United States resolved to protest Mr. Magoo's latest incarnation in the Disney film. Walt Disney Pictures was unavailable for comment to NPR. In a press release, they say the film does not demean blind people. The release states that the Magoo character in the film -- quote -- "through a misdiagnosis at an eye exam, is not advised to wear glasses. While his eyesight contributes to some humorous confusion, it does not stop him from solving a crime and becoming the hero of the movie." MAUER: Disney has said that we're super sensitive, in effect, and that Magoo really isn't blind, he's just very nearsighted. However, we think the portrayal of blind people in that light makes the lives of blind people much more difficult and we asked Disney not to produce the movie. VAN OSS: "Mr. Magoo" is scheduled for release this Christmas. Mauer says that Disney has agreed to meet with the National Federation of the Blind later this week to discuss their concerns. For National Public Radio, this is Alex Van Oss. CHADWICK: This is NPR's MORNING EDITION. I'm Alex Chadwick. ---------- SHOW: MORNING EDITION (NPR 10:00 am ET) AUGUST 13, 1997, WEDNESDAY Transcript # 97081307-210 ALEX CHADWICK, HOST: Time now for your comments. . . . CALLER: I'm Maggie Thomas from Nashville, Tennessee. Please don't let your listeners think that the National Federation of the Blind spoke for all blind and visually impaired people when they denounced the Disney revival of Mr. Magoo. Growing up with normal sight, I enjoyed side-splitting laughter at Mr. Magoo cartoons. And after losing my vision at the age of 48, I thank God every day for endowing me with a sense of humor. Yes, I have bumped into a post and said, "excuse me." And yes, I have had my face so close to a cake while attempting to frost it that I've actually iced my own nose. And if I couldn't laugh at myself and didn't have friends who laugh with me, I wouldn't be able to get out of bed every morning. . . . Send your comments to: MORNING EDITION Letters 635 Massachusetts Avenue, NW Washington, D.C. 20001. Or call our listener comment line: 202-842-5044. Our try our Internet address. That's morning@npr.org. This is NPR's MORNING EDITION. I'm Alex Chadwick. --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: ECP00002Date: 08/20/97 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 01:57am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: This is weird. From: David Andrews Subject: Re: This is weird. Unfortunately, some people post to both lists at the same time. I have been pretty tolerant of off-topic posts, but probably should tighten up things. The two lists are really separate, despite some occasional duplication. David Andrews, Moderator, NFB Talk, and Blind Talk On 1997-08-17 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said: NF>Cc: Multiple recipients of NFBnet NFB-Talk Mailing List NF> I seem to be getting messages twce. Are NF>nfb-blk, and flindtalk the same lists? If so, I will unsubscribe NF>from one of them. Can anyone help? Thans in advance. NF>Jennie NF>and NF>the NF>Aspen express! ! 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