--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EC300000Date: 08/01/97 From: "GEORGE CASSELL" Time: 08:59pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: A Question of Security From: "George Cassell" Subject: A Question of Security I need your advice. I'm legally blind, and I'm very concerned about security (both home and personal). Where I live, it is legal to own and use a gun in self-defense in one's home. But one may not carry it on one's person outside the house without a permit, which is almost never issued. I live alone, and nobody should or would ever be in my home at night, unless that person broke in. So, the question is, should a blind or legally blind person own and/or use a gun for personal protection / self-defense in the home? If not, how should we protect ourselves? And PLEASE, don't say "Dial 9-1-1." That's like saying "Just die and accept it." No thanks. -- George Life is what you make of it. Make the best of it! "Failure is not an option." -- Apollo 13, Mission Control --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EC300001Date: 08/02/97 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 12:13am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: A Question of Security From: David Andrews Subject: Re: A Question of Security Whether a blind person should own a gun or not, seems to me to be a personal decision. I personally wouldn't do so. If I go and shoot "blindly" no pun intended, then I might get myself in bigger trouble then if I didn't. It would seem wiser to me to spend my money on making my home secure in other ways, or by moving to a safer neighborhood. David Andrews On 1997-08-01 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said: GK>I need your advice. I'm legally blind, and I'm very concerned about GK>security (both home and personal). GK>Where I live, it is legal to own and use a gun in self-defense in GK>one's home. GK>But one may not carry it on one's person outside the house without a GK>permit, which is almost never issued. GK>I live alone, and nobody should or would ever be in my home at GK>night, unless that person broke in. GK>So, the question is, should a blind or legally blind person own GK>and/or use a gun for personal protection / self-defense in the GK>home? If not, how should we protect ourselves? And PLEASE, don't GK>say "Dial 9-1-1." That's like saying "Just die and accept it." No GK>thanks. -- George GK>Life is what you make of it. Make the best of it! GK>"Failure is not an option." -- Apollo 13, Mission Control David Andrews (dandrews@visi.com) or BBS: (telnet to nfbnet.org) or call (612) 696-1975 Net-Tamer V 1.09 - Registered --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EC400000Date: 08/02/97 From: "CHRISTINE M. FALTZ" Time: 10:26pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: A Question of Security From: "Christine M. Faltz" Subject: Re: A Question of Security George, why are you so concerned about your security? Do you live in a high-crime area? Have you been threatened/assaulted? Or is it a general fear? When you say "legally blind" what do you mean? Would you be able to hit a target with a gun using your vision? If not, a gun is not advisable -- aside from the fact that if it is gotten away from you -- very possible and probable if you are surprised by more than one hoodlum -- you are pretty much dead. What about a Model Mugging course? They teach you up close and personal self-defense that works wonderfully if you can't retreat or want to injure and attept retreat -- and if you want to do worse. In fact, there is a group in California called Blind Ambition which runs classes with one-on-one instruction for blind people. I don't know if they've got a course in your area, but if you're interested, drop me a line and iI'll find their e-mail address for you. In the long-term, you could consider aikido, judo or jujitsu, all of which are mostly or completely doable by blind people. In Model Mugging courses, the assailant dresses in a protective suit and "attacks" you, enabling you to go all out so that the instructor can assess your ability to protect yourself in a real-life situation. Christine --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EC400001Date: 08/03/97 From: DAVID BUNDY Time: 02:06pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: A Question of Security From: David Bundy Subject: Re: A Question of Security George, As David Andrews said in his post, whether to own or use a gun is as much a matter of personal choice for the blind as for anyone else. My personal choice has been to give up my guns when I became blind. I am a firm believer in the right to keep and bear arms, and do own two (this is not a contradiction of my first statement since they are stored in a vault at my uncle's house.). I believe any responsible adult should have the right to own a gun, and I believe that being responsible includes obtaining the training and developing the familiarity with your weapon to use it safely and effectively. The first thing I was taught when I began to use guns was "always be sure of your target." When I became blind, I felt that I could no longer be sure of my target and made the conscious decision to give up the guns. Another safety concern I would have is the same one I have about people who are afraid of guns owning them. This concern is the possibility of an attacker taking your weapon and using it against you. Anytime you draw a gun you must be willing to use it. You should never count on an intruder's being intimidated/frightened off by the presence of the gun. If the intruder does not flee at the sight of the gun, you must be willing and able to use it against him and deal with the consequences (legal, psychological, and otherwise) of doing so. If you hesitate, you could very well find yourself on the receiving end of the shot, either from your own gun or from one he might have brought with him. As I said, it is your choice to made; I only hope you will consider what I have said in making your choice. Further, if you do choose to purchase a gun. I hope you will not just bring it home and put it in a safe place until it is needed. Learn to use it effectively and safely. Just a note that I will add because you may or may not find it relavent to the discussion. I am blind as the result of a random shooting. As I hope my above advice demonstrates, I don't believe this has changed the way I feel about guns in any way, but it is something that you may want to be aware of when considering what I have to say. At 06:59 PM 8/1/97 -0700, you wrote: > > >I need your advice. I'm legally blind, and I'm very concerned about >security (both home and personal). > >Where I live, it is legal to own and use a gun in self-defense in one's >home. > >But one may not carry it on one's person outside the house without a >permit, which is almost never issued. > >I live alone, and nobody should or would ever be in my home at night, >unless that person broke in. > >So, the question is, should a blind or legally blind person own and/or use >a gun for personal protection / self-defense in the home? If not, how >should we protect ourselves? And PLEASE, don't say "Dial 9-1-1." That's >like saying "Just die and accept it." No thanks. > >-- George > > >Life is what you make of it. Make the best of it! >"Failure is not an option." -- Apollo 13, Mission Control > > > David W. Bundy, MSW President, South Carolina Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind Independint Representative, Destiny Telecomm International Telephone: (803) 252-2667 E-Mail: bundy@netside.com S-Mail: 2306 Sumter St., Columbia. SC 29201 http://www.netside.com/~bundy SCABS Homepage: http://www.netside.com/~bundy/scabs --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EC400002Date: 08/03/97 From: STEVE JACOBSON Time: 04:06pm \/To: ANDY BARACCO (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Sambos restaurant Andy, Part of being a smart business person is to have a good handle on what symbols to use and not to use. Sambo's blew it. By the way, in an earlier message someone noted that executives were smart enough not to be swayed by stereotypes and the like. How, then, does one explain the fact that when I was looking for a job, one company told me outright that they did not have a staff member to get me to and from the bathroom. The company for which I eventually worked expressed a preference that I not use the escalator. If you care, I am sure others on this list will verify that I am a good traveler, so it is unlikely not to have been my travel skills. It was the stereotypes. Secondly, nobody says much about this, but what message is conveyed by our silence. Silence says it's okay. When considering the pros and cons of what to say, we must also consider those of silence as well. I think we had to say something, even if it doesn't seem to change anything, because saying nothing would have been taking a step back. -=> Quoting Andy Baracco to All <=- AB> lived in San Jose. It was sad that because of a symbol, a thriving AB> business concern bit the dust. They changed the symbol to a neutral AB> colored Sambo, and renamed him Little Brave Sambo, but by then the AB> damage was already done. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EC400003Date: 08/04/97 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 12:40am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Wall Street Journal Article From: David Andrews Subject: Wall Street Journal Article Here is an article which appeared in a recent Wall Street Journal. David Andrews The Wall Street Journal Copyright (c) 1997, Dow Jones & Company, Inc. Thursday, July 31, 1997 The Vision Thing: Mr. Magoo Watches U.S. Cultural History And Struggles to Adapt --- As Blind Federation Protests His Return, Disney Tries To Display His Insight --- Blacklisted by Sen. McCarthy By Lisa Bannon Staff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal HOLLYWOOD -- How did Mr. Magoo go from hero to zero? There was a time when the nearsighted cartoon codger with the bulbous nose could do no wrong. The year was 1957, and Mr. Magoo was about to win his second Academy Award. The U.S. Treasury Department used him to sell bonds, the Navy to recruit men and General Electric to sell light bulbs. "He is American individualism in its purest form," proclaimed Yale professor Milton Rosenberg in a scholarly critique. Today, the National Federation of the Blind is in an uproar over his resuscitation in a Walt Disney Co. movie starring Leslie Nielsen to be released this Christmas. Demanding that Disney pull the plug on the production, the federation says that bringing Mr. Magoo back implies that "it's funny to watch an ill-tempered and incompetent blind man stumble into things and misunderstand his surroundings." Disney executives are doing verbal somersaults to make their Mr. Magoo politically correct. David Vogel, president of Walt Disney Pictures, says the studio has taken pains to portray Mr. Magoo as a "Forrest Gump"-like character who has a greater "intuitive ability to see what's going on" than everyone else. "You see a flower, he sees a constellation. His visual limitation can impute poetic interpretation." In fact, Disney says its Mr. Magoo isn't blind, but rather "visually limited." What a difference four decades can make. Mr. Magoo was conceived for adult movie audiences in 1949 by a group of former Disney animators who defected from the studio after a bitter strike in 1941 to form United Pictures of America. "We were not interested in making typical cartoons," recalls Jules Engel, a UPA color artist who later helped found the California Institute of the Arts in Valencia. "We looked at contemporary art and said, 'how can we get that into our films?"' Mimicking real life limited artistic expression, the UPA artists believed. Instead, they studied the abstract works of Picasso, Matisse and Modigliani and New Yorker caricatures by artists like Saul Steinberg and Robert Osborne. In a radical departure from the naturalist animals that populated Disney cartoons, UPA began drawing flat, two-dimensional human characters with minimalist lines -- a groundbreaking style that was later dubbed "limited animation." Mr. Magoo's first outing was almost by accident. Columbia Pictures asked UPA for a series of theatrical cartoons featuring animals, but John Hubley, UPA's creative director, "wanted to do something innovative," recalls 80-year-old Bill Melendez, a UPA animator who later produced the "Peanuts" TV shows. In that year's "Ragtime Bear," Mr. Hubley appeased Columbia by including a big brown bear. But the real focus of the film was a short, nasty, stubborn old man with a tomato-shaped nose: Mr. Magoo. The character was a group effort, but was patterned after Mr. Hubley's favorite comic, W.C. Fields, as well as the director's mean-spirited insurance- man uncle from the Midwest. Actor Jim Backus, who gave Mr. Magoo his voice, also had a great influence on the character, the UPA artists say. With his acerbic personality, Mr. Magoo needed a comedic gag to make him humorous, the animators felt. "They made him half blind. Hub thought it would be funny," Mr. Melendez remembers. In "Ragtime Bear," an irascible Mr. Magoo mistakes the bear for his nephew Waldo, even firing a shotgun at the beast when he loses his temper. "Get yourself a new coat!" he hollers at the bear, tearing at his fur. "You're disgraceful!" "He was such a cantankerous old guy, you couldn't feel sorry for him," Mr. Melendez says. "He was a nasty old man who deserved to be kicked around." No one worried much about offending blind people back then. In fact, in 1940s animation, any comic tick was fair game, with little thought given to minority sensitivities. An MGM cartoon of the period featured a Mexican character who was filthy and was followed by flies, remembers Mr. Melendez, who is Mexican. The Screen Cartoonists' Guild objected to it as racist, he says, but to no avail. "Are you kidding? In those days animators did things if we thought they were funny," he says. In addition to the physical comedy, Mr. Magoo's nearsightedness was conceived as a satirical metaphor for his mental myopia by UPA, an openly liberal studio that also turned out creative labor films for the United Auto Workers union. In a time of post-war prosperity, and with the nation turning inward to ferret out would-be Communists, Mr. Magoo was much like the McCarthyites of the early ' 50s: He only saw what he wanted to see, even if the facts were otherwise. "It was as natural to us as drinking water that we would poke fun at conservativism," recalls 78-year-old Bill Hurtz, a UPA production designer who went on to help create the "Rocky and Bullwinkle" series. "It was not ideological per se, but we thought, 'How would a guy of this temperament react to things."' As Sen. Joseph McCarthy's anti-Communist blacklist circulated through Hollywood, Mr. Hubley and several other key UPA artists found themselves targeted. Columbia made it clear that those on the list should go. "I was the only one who told them to blow it out their barracks bag," Mr. Melendez remembers. "But a lot of them left." Mr. Hubley quit UPA, going on to earn several Academy Awards and working on a film with "Doonesbury" creator Garry Trudeau. In the process, Mr. Magoo's personality changed completely, the first of many transformations to come. By the The new Magoo was a big hit with the public. He was self-satisfied, never admitted he couldn't see and rarely felt sorry for himself. He was "responsible in a world that seems insane," explained Bob Dranko, a UPA art director, in a 1959 interview. But there was also the first inkling that Mr. Magoo's nearsightedness could pose sensitivity problems. In early 1957, the writer Aldous Huxley was hired by UPA to do a Mr. Magoo script based on Don Quixote. In addition to being unfamiliar with the character, Mr. Huxley had poor eyesight, and the UPA artists couldn't bear to offend him by explaining that Mr. Magoo couldn't see, according to an account by former UPA writer Dun Roman. So they allowed the British literary giant to deliver a script devoid of Mr. Magoo's basic premise. It was never used. By the late 1950s, theatrical shorts were losing profitability as television ate into movie attendance. In 1960, television distributor Henry Saperstein bought the by-then-ailing UPA. "I said 'This is 1960. The world is television,"' Mr. Saperstein recalls today. "It was heresy at the time. But I brought in young animators who could work faster for TV." The new UPA abandoned the stylized and satirical theatrical shorts, and began churning out a gentler Mr. Magoo for children's television. "Theaters were more for adults. I softened him in the '60s, so he was more like a doting old- fashioned uncle," Mr. Saperstein says. In the TV shows, Mr. Magoo stumbled through a series of bloopers, patting the tops of fire plugs, thinking they were children, and mistaking a kangaroo for his girlfriend. The Saturday-morning series became highly profitable, and resulted in a generation of spectacle-wearing kids being called Mr. Magoo by taunting classmates. But critics didn't like the new lovable Magoo: "The subtext that his myopia was as much psychological as physical was all but lost," Hal Erickson wrote in his encyclopedia "Television Cartoon Shows." "TV's Mr. Magoo was blind as a bat and that was the series' only joke." By the early '60s, the government had become concerned about the powerful impact of television. In 1961, FCC Chairman Newton Minow called upon the networks "to teach, to inform, to stretch, to enlarge the capacities of our children." Mr. Magoo was one of the first to take up the torch, marking yet another radical turn in his character. "The key words were entertainment and education in those years," says Paul Carlson, a production coordinator for the shows. "The networks put out directives and wanted a combination of both." In 1962, UPA produced the very successful "Mr. Magoo's Christmas Carol" for NBC, with the old, insolent Mr. Magoo returning to play Ebenezer Scrooge. The show's high ratings inspired a prime-time NBC series called "The Famous Adventures of Mr. Magoo" that ran from 1964 through 1965. In it, Mr. Magoo interpreted the literary classics, playing Ishmael, Dr. Watson, Gunga Din and all of Snow White's seven dwarfs. Since those characters weren't blind, his sight was miraculously restored. "Rather than influencing the characters with his nearsightedness, they just took it out," Mr. Carlson explains. Without a disability and with a new educational calling, Mr. Magoo became a huge hit with schools and churches, and the films were included in many school social-studies programs. By now, Mr. Magoo's popularity was at an all-time high. TV market researchers took to gauging the potential success of new pilots by studying how audiences reacted to the new shows compared with Magoo cartoons. Time Magazine's 1963 list of "What's In" included electric toothbrushes and Mr. Magoo (TV's Dr. Kildare and model trains were deemed "out"). The "Feminine Mystique" had just been published, and a progressive Mr. Magoo was used by General Electric Co. in a campaign to sell light bulbs to women during the 1964 presidential election. "Capitalizing upon increased women's interest in politics, we are sponsoring Betty Bright as our candidate with Magoo as her campaign manager," GE boasted in a 1964 press release. But by 1970, when the star-spangled TV special "Uncle Sam Magoo" arrived, the old geezer looked dated. Divisive issues such as civil rights, feminism, sex and Vietnam were arriving on television with "All in the Family" and "The Mary Tyler Moore Show." CBS had withdrawn "Amos 'n' Andy" after protests from black communities in 1966, soon to replace it with more up-to-date fare like "The Jeffersons" and "Good Times." Kids' TV got hip to the changes with "Sesame Street" in 1969. Stalwart Mr. Magoo, however, remained the same. "My attitude was if you have a message, go to Western Union," Mr. Saperstein says of the period. Although Mr. Magoo remained on TV in reruns, UPA in 1970 decided to stop producing new shows and to survive off the syndication profits. It was also during this time, with minority groups gaining more of a voice, that the National Federation of the Blind first spoke up against Mr. Magoo. In a 1975 speech to members, then-president Kenneth Jernigan used Mr. Magoo as an example of damaging stereotyp series and theme-park attractions. In 1993, Mr. Saperstein got a call from Steven Spielberg, who optioned the rights to Mr. Magoo for a movie. But the director never got around to making the film, and when the rights expired, Disney's Mr. Vogel put in a bid in 1995. Disney's movie will feature yet another incarnation of Mr. Magoo, this one a lovable old geezer with Gump-like spirituality, Mr. Vogel says. "At a time when everyone is cynical and complicated, Magoo is innocent and naive," he says. The plot is innocent and naive as well: After he is mistakenly accused of stealing a jewel at a museum auction, Mr. Magoo, through a series of misadventures such as riding an ironing board down a ski slope, foils the true robber and saves the day. Mr. Vogel says Disney is empathetic to the National Federation of the Blind's concerns, but feels the issue may be misplaced, considering that the 1997 Magoo derives creativity and strength from his inner vision. "Magoo is not blind. We would think about it as an issue more if he were blind," he says. "But I don't really think what they're saying is what we're doing." Says Mr. Nielsen of the role: "Yes, the vulnerabilities are there. But so are the strengths, the gentleness, honesty, inventiveness and courage. Above all, Magoo ends up as a hero." "Magoo," Mr. Vogel adds, "is the kind of character you can take and design as you want." ---------- 08/02/97 -- Copyright (C) 1997 The Washington Post [Article 290253, 67 lines ] OP-ED: FREE FOR ALL Shortsighted About Mr. Magoo In her July 23 op-ed column, "Memories of Mr. Magoo," Kathi Wolfe complete ly misses the point that in more than 200 films, Mr. Magoo -- despite his nearsightedness -- is courageous, heroic and dignified and always shows that you can win even if you have a handicap. Wolfe sees Magoo as a pathetic buffoon. But Magoo films have been honor ed by the Motion Picture Academy, the New York Museum of Modern Art, the Kenned y Center, the Los Angeles County Museum and many others. He's been a very successful spokesman for GE, RCA, Timex, Blue Shield, NutraSweet, the U.S. Treasury, the U.S. Navy, the American Cancer Society, the National Safety Council and the American Heart Association. Wolfe is "blind" to the First Amendment right of free expression. She i s "blind" to the needs of a free nation to explore anything and everything. Not all of us are born completely perfect physically, mentally and emotionally. If we allow self-righteous censorship, then we rob the audience of the opportunity to experience an autistic Dustin Hoffman in "Rainman," an emotionally disturbed, speech-impaired Geoffrey Rush in "Shine," a mentally disturbed Jack Nicholson in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest," a deaf Marlee Matlin in "Children of a Lesser God." And what about "Mask," "Elephant Man," "Misery," "My Left Foot," "Snake Pit" and "The Hunchback of Notre Dame"? Let's resolve to resist the self-appointed do-gooders who would have us make only white-bread movies and television shows that don't deal with sensitive subjects. In the end, fortunately, the public will decide, as alwa ys. -- Henry G. Saperstein The writer is president of UPA Pictures, the owner and originator of "M r. Magoo." Kathi Wolfe's op-ed addresses the recent news that Disney Studios plans t o release a live-action Mr. Magoo movie this Christmas. Wolfe, who is visually impaired, voices her concern that the movie will demean "people like me." --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EC400004Date: 08/04/97 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 12:40am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: 02:Wall Street Journal Article From: David Andrews Subject: Wall Street Journal Article The implication of Wolfe's article is that the people who enjoyed Mr. Magoo cartoons did so because the shows made fun of Magoo's visual impairmen t. However, this is not the case. It certainly doesn't account for my fondness for the cartoon. (In fact, as my own eyesight fails, it is painfully apparen t that there is nothing funny about being visually impaired.) The cartoon was popular because the adventures of Mr. Magoo are an optimistic metaphor for life. Magoo wandered through each episode narrowly escaping unknown hazards. Although the audience knew of the dangers that awaited Magoo -- falling off a steel girder, getting hit by a train -- he was totally oblivious to his own vulnerability. He cheerfully went about his life without any awareness of th e perils that loomed. Nonetheless, Magoo always made just the right choice and thereby avoid ed the impending disasters. Despite the hazards, the cartoon always ended with him safe, saying, "Mr. Magoo, you've done it again." We each live our lives in a manner very similar to Magoo. We often are oblivious to the many hazards that we manage to avoid thanks to plain dumb luck. Indeed, we are so accustomed to being protected by dumb luck that we a re dismayed when it doesn't come through for us. Like Magoo, I'll bet that each of has had at least one experience in which everything turned out fine even though our plans seemed doomed to fail : the birthday party that turned out great even though the cake got ruined, th e last-minute, thrown-together report that got you pats on the back, etc. When this happens to me, I smile and say to myself, "Mr. Magoo, you've done it again." I liked the Mr. Magoo cartoons because they painted such an optimistic view of life. When I was young, I knew that the world is a pretty scary plac e. It was not easy to leave the protection of my family. The message I received from Magoo was that everything would turn out all right. Mr. Magoo made it easier for me to venture out into the world. I'm sorry that some insensitive children made fun of Wolfe's visual impairment. I am also sorry that Wolfe gives Mr. Magoo such a bad rap becaus e of that experience. I think we all -- including Wolfe -- could get a little spiritual uplift from watching Mr. Magoo. -- Mickale Carter David Andrews (dandrews@visi.com) or BBS: (telnet to nfbnet.org) or call (612) 696-1975 Net-Tamer V 1.09 - Registered --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EC500000Date: 08/04/97 From: TOM SCANLAN Time: 03:49pm \/To: ANDY BARACCO (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Fight Magoo on the Internet Of course hiring executives have more than blindness on their minds when they interview a blind person. But if you don't think their images, misconceptions, and sterotypes don't enter into hiring decision, then you have never sat on either side of the table. I have sat on both sides, and it is more fun on the hiring side. Magoo has and will influence these executives. If it "crackpot" to try to prevent the reinforcement of sterotypes and misconceptions about blindness, then I plead quilty. But I'm not going to just sit around and whine about it or try to agnore it. I prefer to DO something. I have posted to the alt.disney newsgroup. So far, I feel very lonely out there. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EC500001Date: 08/04/97 From: PATRICK GORMLEY Time: 07:20am \/To: HARVEY HEAGY (Read 0 times) Subj: blindham needs help Harvey, I'm not familliar with the Kennwood ts870 although I believe its predecessor rig the ts850 is a much more blind friendly rig to operate. The vs3 speech synthesizer works on the 870 and I don't know how much information it reads on the display. The 850 not only gives you the frequency but when you push the speech button at the same time you turn on the rig, the majority of the function buttons give you information in morse code. 73- KK3F --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: The TALKING HUB * Alexandria, VA * (703) 549-5612 (1:109/632) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EC500002Date: 08/04/97 From: PATRICK GORMLEY Time: 07:21am \/To: WARREN FIGGUEREDO (Read 0 times) Subj: napub dues and other things Warren, back in June, I sent you my napub dues and I was wondering if you got the money for the restaurant guide. --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: The TALKING HUB * Alexandria, VA * (703) 549-5612 (1:109/632)