--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EBK00000Date: 07/15/97 From: "CHRISTINE M. FALTZ" Time: 09:14am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Comments re: Mr. magoo From: "Christine M. Faltz" Subject: Re: Comments re: Mr. magoo *Bravo*! I, too, was ridiculed directly because of Mr. Magoo cartoons. i would like to extend an invitation to David to send his piece about Disney hurting blind children to me and I will put it on the PoBC of Long Island Web site, which is linked to NFBnet.org. I would also like to share a little story about Disney. A few years ago, when Disney was producing one of their ice-skating adaptations of "Beauty and the Beast" Disney called the then-president of Long Island Parents of Blind Children and asked if any of the chldren would like to come and feel the costumes of the characters and have an orientation to the show. Thinking this was a great idea, she said yes, and asked how many tickets would be given. She was told tha the group would have to purchase the tickiets; they wouldn't be free. In general, parents should pay for teir blind children's entertainment just like any other parent must pay fr a child's entertainment. But Disney wanted to do this orientation on a school day, necessitating children being taken out of school and a parent missing work. At the very least, the children should have received free tickets for themselves. The president turned them down, saying the children and parents would not pull their children from school merely to be shown the costumes and then not be able to see the program. Would they make this accommodation available in general to a blind child who ttended the show after purchasing the ticket? No, this was not feasible; that's why they were providing this rare opportunity, blah, blah, blah. Well, never mind; Disney called the BOCES program and got a bunch of blind and multiply-handicapped kids from that program to come and look at costumes -- and why all this insistence on getting the poor blind kids to touch the costumes? Well, publicity of course. Good ol' pro-family Disney had a photo op -- Fox and the three major networks filmed the sentimental moments, making Disney look great. The former President wrote a letter to Disney, which went unanswered. Christine --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EBK00001Date: 07/15/97 From: "MELVIN LUMBARDY" Time: 05:41am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Disney From: "Melvin Lumbardy" Subject: Disney Hi everyone, Several years ago Disney put up such a fuss with the showing of the Disney movies in day care centers. It seems they wanted the day care centers to pay an high price for showing thier movies in a day care. They claim the showing of the movies violated the public performance clause. I do not know what became of this but in my opinion Disney does make SOME good movies but is only interested in "profit". Deb --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EBK00002Date: 07/14/97 From: SHAWN KEEN Time: 12:52pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS From: shawn keen Subject: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS the media makes fun of everyone. who cares. some blind people do run in to walls, its just because they haven't had good training. but i think that a small percent of blind people. i am sure none of those such people exist in the nfb.. /s ps: last reply on this topic. its like argueing over pc and none pc. At 11:13 AM 7/12/97 -0700, you wrote: > > >Well, you are not going to get agreement from some of us here. > >While Mr. Magoo is just a movie, it and other media portrayals of blind >people are completely linked to what society feels about us. The media >generally reflects what society feels about a group. If the media feels it >is okay to make fun of blind people, which it does, then it is no wonder >that our unemployment rate is 70 percent. > >How would you go about getting blind persons jobs? What would you do >differently since we are so wrong? > >David Andrews > >On 1997-07-12 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said: > MR>> I guess the nfb doesn't have the power anymore to work tord jobs, > MR>>or technology. > MR>> so they have to gripe about something so people will think they > MR>>are doing something. > MR>> no matter how silly it is. > MR>There is no reason to get all upset over a movie and that's all it > MR>is. The NFB looks for anything that'll get publicity but it is > MR>obvious they don't care if a blind person is having difficulty > MR>finding a job or equipment is not available ETC. ETC. ETC. > MR>I wish certain high ranking officials would come down off their > MR>high horses. In the wind on a bike!!! Matt Roberts > MR>(robocop@pdn.net) Harleys FOREVER!! > MR>803-774-5272 RBIKER on IRC Dillon South > MR>Carolina > >David Andrews (dandrews@visi.com) >or BBS: (telnet to nfbnet.org) or call (612) 696-1975 > >Net-Tamer V 1.09 - Registered > > > > --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EBK00003Date: 07/14/97 From: SHAWN KEEN Time: 12:54pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS From: shawn keen Subject: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS hmm in dallas eh? hmm, maybe ill go, should be a interesting time. At 01:39 PM 7/12/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hello Matt and listers, > >I for one am getting a little sick and tired of people making such charges >about this organization; especially when they don't have all the facts. >The truth is that at this year's convention we had a number of seminars >and workshops dealing with both employment and technology. There were >also were a number of presenters that spoke on these items during the >general sessions. If you were at the convention you would have seen this >for yourself. The truth is that you have a money making opportunity in >your hands that if you got off of it and started making it happen for >yourself you could join us in Dallas nest year and learn what the NFB is, >doing to help blind persons across the board right from the horses mouth, >and not from his rear end. > >For one thing I was elected sEcretary of the newly formed National >Association of Blind Entrumprenures; an organization that seeks to help >those bolind persons who want to do so to start and grow their own >businesses. Now if that isn't helping blind persons whare employment is >concerned I don't know what is. My advice once again is to get your >business up and running and youwill have the money tocome to National >Events and to visit your friends all around the country whenever you want, >and you willnot be religated to just having to see them at NFb >gatherings. If you want to know that the FEderationis doing whare all >aspects of blindness are concerned get your information from your local >chapter, and/or state affiliate and let's not forget our National Center >for the blind. You know that in your business you are taught that if you >want to be successfull you must take help from those wyho have done what >you want to do, and not from someone who is still in the rut. Apply that >same phillosophy toward this organization. If you want to know that is >being done in the Federation on any and all matters of concern to the >blind consult your state and national leaders, and not those who have >nother better to do than to sit on the side lines and throw stones. > >Well on that note Mary and I are going dream building tonight. Take care >and have a good weekend. > >Peter Donahue > > > > > > --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EBK00004Date: 07/15/97 From: "CHRISTINE M. FALTZ" Time: 01:17pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS From: "Christine M. Faltz" Subject: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS As far as I can tell, you and one other are the only ones arguing, refusing to adress the salient points raised by those of us who have taken the time to think about it and consider all the ramifications. I m radically anti-PC, but that does not mean I should have a knee-jerk reaction against changing attitudes by protesting the use of certain words and images. I don't decide something and close my mind and name-call those who disagree (unless health and safety are involved, in which case I have been known to let loose -- smoking is an example). Sticking with that example, I despise the tobacco companies, but I think they are not liable for people who chose to smoke after 1969, and I think the settlement reached recently is horrific. A general stance culled from one's ideology does not mean one whould steadfastly stick to something when the principle falls short of what is best for society. It seems to me that in the name of being anti-PC and not wanting people to think you're a supersensitive blind person who cannot laugh at himself, you refuse to acknlwledge any real harm perpetrated against blind people which involves the media. How you can deny a connection between the reasons and attitudes which keep blind people out of work is beyound me, particularly since you are blind yurself and no doubt receive plenty of direct examples of ignorance frequently. Clearly, no one here is going to convince you, and that's fine, since you're not going to convince me or any of the other anti-Magoo folk to change our minds. But please do us the service of keeping the majority of those who have disagreed with you -- myself, David M -- out of the realm of argument; we have debated, but we have not argued, and we have not been unrewsaonable toward you.l you did provoke some responses befitting your approach -- that of throwing stones and then not backing yourself up and displaying a clear ignorance of the organization aganst which you threw the stones. In the future, please try to engage in a polite, reasoned debate, and I ask those who got a bit short with you to do the same. We aren't going to win anyone to our respective sides by uninformed name-calling and unwillingness to deal point for pint with the central points of the arguments being made. I have yet to see a resoned response like that of DAvid M's for leaving the Magoo issue alone, except that we're being too sensitive. That same argument, as I pointed out, is routinelyused when we complain about issues that even you complain about. Christine --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EBK00005Date: 07/15/97 From: LRAS@SPRYNET.COM Time: 06:15pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: chapter meetings From: lras@sprynet.com Subject: Re: chapter meetings For what it's worth, the Sligo Creek Chapter met last Saturday. We will be having our picnic next month. We try and have a July meeting so people who couldn't attend the convention can find out about more of what went on. -- Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, Maryland --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EBK00006Date: 07/15/97 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 11:22pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: orlando * Original Area: GENERAL * Original From: Toni Clavie (1:282/1045) * Original To : All (1:282/1045) does anyone know where the orlando chapter of nfb meets? thanks. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EBN00000Date: 07/18/97 From: BRETT K WINCHESTER Time: 06:12pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: idaho job From: Brett_WINCHESTER@icbvi.state.id.us (BRETT K WINCHESTER) Subject: idaho job I am sorry if there are scannoes in this message. RELEASED: July 16, 1997 CLOSING DATE: August 13, 1997 AN# 97-09467-0538 OC P L E A S E P O S T STATE OF IDAHO ANNOUNCES COUNSELOR FOR THE BLIND COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED CURRENT OPENING - IDAHO FALLS This announcement will be used to fill future openings in Idaho Falls only. Salary Range: $1,052.80 - $1,548.24 every two weeks ($13.16 - $19.35 hourly) DUTIES: > Contacts doctors, public and private agencies and other referral sources to locate potential clients. > Contacts potential clients and explains services and interviews them to determine eligibility for services and scope of services needed. > Authorizes medical examinations or other testing services. > Prepares rehabilitation plan outlining clients' career plans, objectives, services needed, and evaluation criteria. > Authorizes client services from vendors and other agencies. > Maintains records of client and employer contacts. > Counsels clients and family members regarding issues and problems related to blindness. > Advises clients on rehabilitation and employment goals. Responds to inquiries concerning blindness and department services. > Maintains current information regarding technology and equipment available for the blind. > Represents the Commission at service organization meetings. EXAMINATION: 100% Rating of education and experience. A minimum score of 70 is required to place on the register. Complete application form (PC-1) and respond to the questions on the back of the announcement. Refer to Application Procedures Form for complete instructions. Mail application package to: OR IDAHO PERSONNEL COMMISSION PO BOX 83720 BOISE, IDAHO 83720{ >066 Deliver application package to: IDAHO PERSONNEL COMMISSION 700 WEST STATE STREET BOISE, IDAHO 83720-0066 THE STATE OFFERS COMPETITIVE BENEFITS Any questions, please contact IPC, (208) 334-2263. Toll Free # 1-800-554-5627; TDD 1-800-542-5738; FAX # (208) 334-3182 Your application must be received by 5 p.m. Mountain Time on closing date listed above. Hiring is done without regard to race, color, religion, national origin, sex, age, or disability. Appropriate consideration shall be given to veterans in accordance with applicable state and federal laws and regulations. PC-1.A - Qualifications Statement (TRAEX) COUNSELOR FOR THE BLIND Class Code: 09467 Examination Scoring Information 1. You must completely answer all of the following questions. A resume will not substitute. 2. Use a separate sheet of paper. Answer each item. Be specific. 3. To achieve your highest possible score, describe fully all of your pertinent education and/of experience for this position. Once your application has been scored, no additional Information wi be accepted. Indicate dates, and name and phone number of person(s} who can verify it. Items listed are minimum requirements. Include in your responses your specific job duties, employment dates, and employers. For training or education, include the course title, content and course/class length. 4. Retain a copy of your entire application. We will not return it or make copies for you. These positions work for the Blind Commission. Your clients will have concerns related to blindness including: enhancing daily living skills such as cane travel, home economics, and reading Braille; understanding common etiologies, prognosis, and treatment for various eye diseases; and current technology for the blind. You should be very familiar with rehabilitation processes of disabled clients, and be able to work with national, state, and local resources for the blind. Typically, a vocational rehabilitation or human service type college degree or an equivalent amount of experience working with disabled individuals would qualify. REHABILITATION Describe how you gained a S knowledge of vocational rehabilitation processes including plan development. 2. Describe how you gained some knowledge of federal and state laws and regulations related to vocational rehabilitation . COUNSELING 3. Describe how you gained S knowledge of how to counsel individuals regarding the abilities of disabled individuals. COMMUNICATION 4. How have you gained some knowledge of how to conduct fact-finding interviews? ,. Describe your experience: a. preparing records and writing reports; b. conducting oral presentations before groups. (Describe the nature of the presentations and the size of the group.) 5/94 TRAEX ********************************************************************** *************** Please indicate any accommodation you request to satisfy the above requirements or for testing. For further information, call (208) 3342263, or TDD 1-800-5424738. --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: EBN00001Date: 07/18/97 From: KELLY PIERCE Time: 06:47am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: advocate to make congress accessable to 06:47:4607/18/97 From: Kelly Pierce Subject: advocate to make congress accessable to the blind the following is a letter to place the products of the congressional research service on the Internet. Currently this information is available only in print and either through a member of congress or from a commerical vendor. On the Internet, this information will be accessable to the blind. I encourage blindness organizations and blind activists and advocates to sign the letter below and send it to gary@essential.org. Through the internet, we can have the same access to government as our sighted counterparts. kelly -- Please sign onto the attached letter in support of placing Congressional Research Service Reports and products on the Internet. SUMMARY: The Congressional Research Service (CRS) prepares excellent reports and research products for the U. S. Congress. But Congress provides few CRS products to the public via the Internet. Following is a letter to House Oversight Committee Chairman Bill Thomas (R-CA) and Senate Rules Committee Chairman John Warner (R-VA) urging them to place CRS products on the Internet. We are seeking individuals and organizations who wish to sign onto this letter. If you would like to add your name or the name of your organization to the signatories of this letter, please send the following information to , by Tuesday, July 29, 1997. Name ___________________________________________________ Title (optional) _______________________________________ Affiliation (optional) __________________________________ Address _________________________________________________ City, State, Zip (very important) _______________________ e-mail address __________________________________________ The letter follows: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Honorable William Thomas, Chairman Committee on House Oversight United States House of Representatives Washington, DC 20515 Honorable John Warner, Chairman Committee on Rules United States Senate Washington, DC 20510 RE: Placing Congressional Research Service Reports and Products on the Internet Dear Chairmen Thomas and Warner: On June 25th, the Joint Committee on the Library of Congress appointed a task force consisting of Senator Thad Cochran (R-MS) and Representative Vern Ehlers (R-MI) to recommend whether some Congressional Research Service (CRS) Reports and products should be made available to the public via the Internet. We are concerned that the appointment of a task force will simply delay placing CRS products on the Internet. As Chairmen of the internal administrative committees of the House of Representatives and Senate, each of you has the authority at present to place CRS products on the Internet. Many of these CRS products are currently available to members of Congress and their staffs on an internal congressional intranet. We are writing to urge you to place all generic CRS products on the Internet, which would improve citizens' ability to identify and obtain them. The Congressional Research Service is a taxpayer-funded research organization within the Library of Congress, with an annual budget of nearly $63 million. It is a research arm of the U. S. Congress, staffed by hundreds of talented independent issue experts who prepare valuable reports and information products, including CRS Reports, Info Packs, Issue Briefs, and Audio Briefs. During fiscal year 1996, CRS prepared more than 1,000 new written research products for the Congress. But Congress distributes few CRS products via the Internet. Citizens cannot obtain most CRS products directly. Instead, we must engage in the burdensome and time-consuming process of requesting a member of Congress to send CRS products to us. Often, citizens must wait for weeks or even months before such a request is filled. This barrier to obtaining CRS products serves no useful purpose, and harms citizens' ability to participate in the congressional legislative process. Instead of waiting for a member of Congress to send CRS products, citizens may purchase them from a commercial vendor. For example, Penny Hill Press charges an annual subscription rate of $190 per year plus $2.75 per CRS report plus 2.5 cents per page. Nonsubscribers pay $47 for up to five CRS reports. House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) has repeatedly supported placing congressional materials on the Internet. On November 11, 1994, in a speech to the Washington Research Group Symposium, he promised that "we will change the rules of the House to require that all documents and all conference reports and all committee reports be filed electronically as well as in writing and that they cannot be filed until they are available to any citizen who wants to pull them up. Thus, information will be available to every citizen in the country at the same moment it is available to the highest paid Washington lobbyist." Despite Speaker Gingrich's speech more than 2 1/2 years ago, most CRS products are available electronically only to members of Congress and their staffs. On June 5, 1997, CRS Director Daniel Mulhollan boasted in testimony to Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on the Legislative Branch that "the CRS Home Page makes available online exclusively to congressional offices all CRS issue briefs and numerous reports....Through our Home Page the Congress has integrated access to a wide range of products and information. This service is now readily accessible electronically to Members and staff 24 hours a day." But not to citizens. Nothing in the statutory charter of the CRS, or any other federal law or House or Senate rule, prevents Congress from placing these CRS products on the Internet. No change in federal law, nor House nor Senate Rule is required to place CRS products on the Internet. Neither the Joint Committee on the Library, nor the Senate Rules Committee, nor the House Oversight Committee need approve placing CRS products on the Internet. This is an internal administrative matter. Both Chairman Thomas and Chairman Warner separately have the authority to place CRS products on the House and Senate World Wide Web sites. Although the 105th and 104th Congresses have made an effort to place some congressional documents on the Internet, many important Congressional materials are still not available on the Internet, including most committee prints and discussion drafts of bills, chairman's marks, voting records in a non-partisan database, most transcripts of hearings, financial disclosure reports, texts of committee and floor amendments, transcripts of committee mark-ups, franked mass mailings, lobbyist disclosure reports, Statements of Disbursements of the House, and Secretary of the Senate reports. In his House and Senate testimony, CRS Director Mulhollan highlighted the benefits that the CRS provides to new members of Congress. He noted that CRS "offer[s] assistance tailored to the unique needs of new Members." Many of those needs are for general briefing materials on substantive and procedural matters. Such briefing materials could be of great use to citizens as well. James Madison aptly described the need for such public information when he wrote that "A popular government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power that knowledge gives." The Congressional Research Service produces some of the best research in the federal government. We believe that taxpayers ought to be able to read the research that we pay for. We urge you to place these valuable CRS products -- including CRS Reports, Info Packs, Issue Briefs, and Audio Briefs -- on the Internet. Sincerely, Gary Ruskin, Director, Congressional Accountability Project James Love, Director, Consumer Project on Technology Lori Fena, Executive Director, Electronic Frontier Foundation Shabbir J. Safdar, Co-founder, Voters Telecommunications Watch Audrie Krause, Executive Director, NetAction Lucinda Sikes, Staff Attorney, Public Citizen Litigation Group Kim Alexander, Executive Director, California Voter Foundation cc: Honorable Conrad Burns Honorable Thad Cochran Honorable Vernon Ehlers Honorable Newt Gingrich Honorable Ted Stevens Honorable Rick White