--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00022Date: 05/17/97 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 09:44pm \/To: "MELVIN LUMBARDY" (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: DILLON COUNTY NFB and other chapters21:44:1405/17/97 -=> Quoting "Melvin Lumbardy" to All <=- "L> From: "Melvin Lumbardy" "L> Subject: Re: DILLON COUNTY NFB and other chapters elsewhere > Hi Mike and all other interested listers, "L> I have been reading this list and have decided to comment on what "L> didn't happen here in Indiana. I first joined the NFB over 2 years "L> ago. The first time our chapter organized, I sent in a letter to the "L> national office letting them know who was elected to office etc. i "L> did this because I was elected secretary. Well to move on with the "L> story, the chapter president quit and then we re-organized. I was "L> then elected treasurer. After letters once again being written to the "L> national office we had no response again. We were a small "L> fledgling chapter with not any money to donate at all. Our chapter "L> has since dissolved due to lack of communication with the national "L> office, we were never even posted in the Braille Monitor . There was a "L> lack of communication with other NFB officials in Indiana as well. I suspect your chapted disolved because it didn't receive adequate support from the state affiliate in Indiana. Chapters are generally supported by their parent affiliate, and the national office can then work with affiliates. his is more efficient then the NationaL Office trying to work directly with all chapters. It can't be done. Not all chapter notices are published in the Monitor. Decisions are made based on available space, geographic spread, the last time a similar notice was published, and other factors. You shouldn't consider nonpublication as nonsupport from the national office. Also, if a chapter needs help, it hould reach out, or no one else will know it needs help. David Andrews ... Go straight to the docs. Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00023Date: 05/17/97 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 09:50pm \/To: JIM PORTILLO (Read 0 times) Subj: May Braille Monitor -=> Quoting Jim Portillo to All <=- JP> Hello everyone, JP> I'm just curious if the May edition of the Braille Monitor has come JP> out in any format yet. I tried looking for it here on NFBnet, but I JP> couldn't find it. I also haven't received my tape copy. So, is JP> everyone excited about New Orleans next month? Hope to see everyone JP> there! Jim The May Monitor is not hereyet, but I expect it any day now. The different formats usually come out about the same time, at least that is the plan. David Andrews ... "Could you continue your petty bickering? I find it most intriguing." --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00024Date: 05/18/97 From: VAUGHAN DODD Time: 03:43am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Long Delay with Mailing List From: vdodd@Actrix.gen.nz (Vaughan Dodd) Subject: Long Delay with Mailing List Organization: 16 Parkside Lane Hello from New Zealand. I've noticed a lengthy delay from the time that messages are dated to when they circulate around the world. Am seeing messages dated 17 May which look as if they were written perhaps a month ago. =20 Is the problem with the Fidonet to Internet gateway as messages coming via the internet (which is how they get here) seem to be saling through. Should the NFB scale back its Fido service and concentrate on the Internet? Obviulsy - i'm not an NFB member, but is it easy to keep Internet mailing lists and Fidonet echos open at the same time? =20 Vaughan. --- * Origin: Usenet:16 Parkside Lane (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00025Date: 05/18/97 From: "MELVIN LUMBARDY" Time: 03:03am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: DILLON COUNTY NFB and other chapters03:03:3805/18/97 From: "Melvin Lumbardy" Subject: Re: DILLON COUNTY NFB and other chapters elsewhere > From: David.Andrews@NFBnet.org (David Andrews) > Date: 18 May 97 02:44:14 GMT > Subject: Re: DILLON COUNTY NFB and other chapters elsewhere > To: NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org (Multiple recipients of NFBnet NFB-Talk Mailing List) > Reply-to: NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org (Multiple recipients of NFBnet NFB-Talk Mailing List) > Organization: NFBnet -- Telnet to NFBnet.org > > > -=> Quoting "Melvin Lumbardy" to All <=- > > "L> From: "Melvin Lumbardy" > "L> Subject: Re: DILLON COUNTY NFB and other chapters elsewhere > > > > > > Hi Mike and all other interested listers, > > "L> I have been reading this list and have decided to comment on what > "L> didn't happen here in Indiana. I first joined the NFB over 2 years > "L> ago. The first time our chapter organized, I sent in a letter to the > "L> national office letting them know who was elected to office etc. i > "L> did this because I was elected secretary. Well to move on with the > "L> story, the chapter president quit and then we re-organized. I was > "L> then elected treasurer. After letters once again being written to the > "L> national office we had no response again. We were a small > "L> fledgling chapter with not any money to donate at all. Our chapter > "L> has since dissolved due to lack of communication with the national > "L> office, we were never even posted in the Braille Monitor . There was a > "L> lack of communication with other NFB officials in Indiana as well. > > I suspect your chapted disolved because it didn't receive adequate support from > the state affiliate in Indiana. Chapters are generally supported by their > parent affiliate, and the national office can then work with affiliates. This > is more efficient then the NationaL Office trying to work directly with all > chapters. It can't be done. > David, Thanks for clearing up that matter for me. We did try to get some help from the state people but nothing was done to help with information we needed. The other new people who were getting excited about the NFB became discouraged when we didn't even get any presidential releases. They were VERY disgusted with how the state president and VP did not communicate. > Not all chapter notices are published in the Monitor. Decisions are made based > on available space, geographic spread, the last time a similar notice was > published, and other factors. Our chapter was probably lost in the shuffle of papers, I even sent a request to the national office about getting some information for our members but I did not hear anything. You shouldn't consider nonpublication as > nonsupport from the national office. Also, if a chapter needs help, it should > reach out, or no one else will know it needs help. We did try and I am very sorry other members just gave up on waiting for some answers and information. I believe the NFB has a very good philosophy on what it believes and I just wish that information would be more readily available. Deb & Mel Lumbardy > > --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00026Date: 05/18/97 From: "MELVIN LUMBARDY" Time: 03:10am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: San Antonio air Port Sec From: "Melvin Lumbardy" Subject: Re: San Antonio air Port Sec > From: Pete Donahue > Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 21:08:48 -0500 (CDT) > X-To: Multiple recipients of NFBnet NFB-Talk Mailing List > Subject: Re: San Antonio air Port Sec > To: NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org (Multiple recipients of NFBnet NFB-Talk Mailing List) > Reply-to: NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org (Multiple recipients of NFBnet NFB-Talk Mailing List) > > >Pet Donahue wrote: Hello Mike and listers, > > The Faa would do well to keep it's other priorrities straight as well. > They fought or may continue to fight us on our right to sit in the seat > of our choice, but as has been exposed intthe news lately they are doing > next to nothing to require that air lines install smoke detectors and fire > extinguishers in cargo holds to hopefully ward off another Value Jet or > TWA 800 disaster. My wife and I have flown a few times and I wonder why a fuss is made about a blind persons cane when I see people getting on the airplabe with snow skis and guitars and other large bulky items. I understand that these big items are probably stored in a luggage dept or elsewhere but wonder where the airlines have the right to take away a blind persons cane. Canes are thin and not in the way of anyone when put on the floor next to the passenger. I suppose airlines do not understand what a blind person can do. In a real emergency if the plane was in trouble and there would be no lights in the cabin most blind people would be better at getting around because they are used togetting around with no lights. Yes they would do well to get their safety initiatives > straight and leave us alone and deal with real problems and not immaginary > ones. > > Peter Donahue > > > > > > --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00027Date: 05/18/97 From: WALT CONE Time: 09:21am \/To: RON SMITH (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Dillon County NFB Hi Ron, Saturday, 17 May 1997 12:41:31, Ron Smith wrote to All Subject: Re: Dillon County NFB RS> Well sharon Gold I guess decided to be loyal to the Fuhrer RS> Ken. And if you had someone come in and offered to bail you RS> out and pay off your messes, you might go quietly as well! Is this fact or the usual speculation? Walt .!. Mercifully free of the ravages of intelligence. --- Terminate 4.00/Pro * Origin: Enoc bbs (tacoma Washington) (1:138/317) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00028Date: 05/18/97 From: ALBERT STEN-CLANTON Time: 12:54pm \/To: PETE DONAHUE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: air lines During those heavy-duty airline battle days, I talked with many people about the connection between needless seating restrictions and discrimination in employment and other areas of life. Our presidential releases and Monitor articles often did a first-rate job of explaining it, so of course I drew on those and on my own best understanding of the world. Some people got it, some didn't, and maybe some just plain didn't want to--though I can't figure why. I think the FAA made a few valid points near the end of that battle, and a much narrower exit row seating restriction on the ground of blindness probably made sense. I also think we should have provided the FAA an unedited copy of the tape we made of the evacuation exercise we did with World Airlines or somebody, which I understand we refused to do. My impression was and remains that both we and the FAA were unwilling to be more precise in our consideration of the matter, and for whatever reason, we lost the battle of the broad brushes. That was a bummer, because the airlines sure needed straightening out, and clearly some of them still do. Take care! Al --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 2 Beta * Origin: The VIBUG BBS Holbrook MA V34/EVERYTHING (1:101/460) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00029Date: 05/18/97 From: ALBERT STEN-CLANTON Time: 01:01pm \/To: MIKE FREEMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Blindtlk@nfbnet.org No, as a guide dog user, I can confirm that dogs have no hands. However, if some pedestrians are to be believed, they do read signs and plan one's destination. Hands would be needless extras. Well, maybe not: if Adam could do my programming for me at work, I'd have lots of time to read the way I used to when I was un- and underemployed. Al --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 2 Beta * Origin: The VIBUG BBS Holbrook MA V34/EVERYTHING (1:101/460) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00030Date: 05/18/97 From: ALBERT STEN-CLANTON Time: 01:04pm \/To: MIKE FREEMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: house access for disable Mike, it was 1983 and I was there with my first dog. Don't know if there was any rule on the matter. If there was, it apparently was either waived or not noticed. Al --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 2 Beta * Origin: The VIBUG BBS Holbrook MA V34/EVERYTHING (1:101/460) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00031Date: 05/18/97 From: EARLENE HUGHES Time: 11:51am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: DILLON COUNTY NFB and other chapters11:51:0305/18/97 From: Earlene Hughes Subject: Re: DILLON COUNTY NFB and other chapters elsewhere Hello to all, I too, am from Indiana. I would like to say a few things about this subject, and hopefully, maybe shed a positive light on all that has been said. I am a former state President from the state of Delaware. I moved to Indiana in 1993. I wanted to be able to contribute to NFB work here in Indiana in the same way that I had an opportunity to do in Delaware. I have never been forgiven by some members here because I ran for office. In 1995, state President Paul Howard, appointed members to chair state comittees. Paul distributed this information to Chapter Presidents here in Indiana. Members were invited to volunteer to serve on these comittees. When I volunteered to be on the legislative comittee, I was told by Joe Money, the chairman of that comittee, that "well, I don't think there will be any work for the comittee to do this year". There have been many times when I thought that perhaps, it would be best if I just gave up my membership and went away quietly. Each time, when I considered doing this, I would sit myself down with a cup of coffee and ask myself, "Why did I join the NFB"? "What would have happened to me, if no one had helped me at a time in my life, when I needed support and guidance"? I have experienced many happy moments while working with others in the NFB, and I have also experienced the same things that Deb Lumbardy has written about. In October, the majority of the Lafayette Chapter members voted to dissolve. I have written an article about the Lafayette Chapter which appeared in the most recent issue of the Watchword which is the newsletter for the Indiana affiliate. At the state Board meeting which was held in March, newly elected President Ron Brown, appointed a Chapter development comittee. I was appointed to serve as co-chair along with former state President Paul Howard. In April, a new Chapter was organized in the Lafayette area. I am happy to be able to tell you that many of the members who voted to dissolve have joined the new Chapter. The problems which exist here in Indiana did not happen overnight. When things began to change in the 1980's, many people left the Indiana affiliate. The Chapter development comittee has a lot of work to do. We cannot go back and undo the damage, but we can certainly try to make things better in the future. Members must come to state conventions and work on things that will help to solve some of these problems. You can also help by electing people to office that will work with others to make things better for all blind people. As co-chair of the chapter development comittee, I have offered to come to Valparaiso and try to resolve some of these outstanding issues. I too, have been removed from the Presidential release list which is maintained by the National office. That may have happened when the National Office learned that the Lafayette Chapter had voted to dissolve. I was offended at first, but I decided that I wouldn't get very much done if I woried more about the things that have gone wrong instead of trying to do things that might make things go right in the future. Let me leave you with this final thought. Anyone can be elected to office. Leadership starts in the heart. You have to believe in what you are doing, and be prepared to accept the good along with the bad. Don't give up on Indiana. There are too many things that need to be done. At 08:03 AM 5/18/97 +0000, you wrote: > > >> From: David.Andrews@NFBnet.org (David Andrews) >> Date: 18 May 97 02:44:14 GMT >> Subject: Re: DILLON COUNTY NFB and other chapters elsewhere >> To: NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org (Multiple recipients of NFBnet NFB-Talk Mailing List) >> Reply-to: NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org (Multiple recipients of NFBnet NFB-Talk Mailing List) >> Organization: NFBnet -- Telnet to NFBnet.org > >> >> >> -=> Quoting "Melvin Lumbardy" to All <=- >> >> "L> From: "Melvin Lumbardy" >> "L> Subject: Re: DILLON COUNTY NFB and other chapters elsewhere >> >> >> >> >> > Hi Mike and all other interested listers, >> >> "L> I have been reading this list and have decided to comment on what >> "L> didn't happen here in Indiana. I first joined the NFB over 2 years >> "L> ago. The first time our chapter organized, I sent in a letter to the >> "L> national office letting them know who was elected to office etc. i >> "L> did this because I was elected secretary. Well to move on with the >> "L> story, the chapter president quit and then we re-organized. I was >> "L> then elected treasurer. After letters once again being written to the >> "L> national office we had no response again. We were a small >> "L> fledgling chapter with not any money to donate at all. Our chapter >> "L> has since dissolved due to lack of communication with the national >> "L> office, we were never even posted in the Braille Monitor . There was a >> "L> lack of communication with other NFB officials in Indiana as well. >> >> I suspect your chapted disolved because it didn't receive adequate support from >> the state affiliate in Indiana. Chapters are generally supported by their >> parent affiliate, and the national office can then work with affiliates. This >> is more efficient then the NationaL Office trying to work directly with ll >> chapters. It can't be done. > >> David, Thanks for clearing up that matter for me. We did try to get >some help from the state people but nothing was done to help with >information we needed. The other new people who were getting excited >about the NFB became discouraged when we didn't even get any >presidential releases. They were VERY disgusted with how the state >president and VP did not communicate. > >> Not all chapter notices are published in the Monitor. Decisions are made based >> on available space, geographic spread, the last time a similar notice was >> published, and other factors. > >Our chapter was probably lost in the shuffle of papers, I even sent >a request to the national office about getting some information for >our members but I did not hear anything. > > You shouldn't consider nonpublication as >> nonsupport from the national office. Also, if a chapter needs help, it should >> reach out, or no one else will know it needs help. > >We did try and I am very sorry other members just gave up on waiting >for some answers and information. I believe the NFB has a very good >philosophy on what it believes and I just wish that information >would be more readily available. > >Deb & Mel Lumbardy > >> >> > > Earlene Hughes hughese@nlci.com http://www.nlci.com/users/hughese/ --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045)